cross breeding???

[Damaclese]

ive got an unidentified african that i got in a bulk deal. i have a 155
gallon bowfront. i think it may even be a southamerican im not too sure buy
any way it has recently decided to inhabit one of my coconut shells as a
breeding ground. i found this out by being attacked by it while rearanging a
fuilter output tube it has attacked me a few times since it doesent draw
blood but is extreemly protective. what i was wondering is is there any
chance that males of the same lake may be able to fertilize different
species ? ive never encountetred this info anywhere else so im guessing the
answer will be a stong no

any input will be helpfull thanks people!

[levittd]

"Damaclese" > wrote in message
...
> ive got an unidentified african that i got in a bulk deal. i have a 155
> gallon bowfront. i think it may even be a southamerican im not too sure
buy
> any way it has recently decided to inhabit one of my coconut shells as a
> breeding ground. i found this out by being attacked by it while rearanging
a
> fuilter output tube it has attacked me a few times since it doesent draw
> blood but is extreemly protective. what i was wondering is is there any
> chance that males of the same lake may be able to fertilize different
> species ? ive never encountetred this info anywhere else so im guessing
the
> answer will be a stong no
>
> any input will be helpfull thanks people!
>
>
Some species of cichlid will hybridize. This is where Flowerhorns and Blood
Parrots come from. The results are horrible, malformed beasts whose
miserable, disabled existence serves only to pollute the bloodlines of real
cichlids. So yes, it is possible, but IMHO any offspring should be culled
immediately.
levittd

[CKight8988]

>but IMHO any offspring should be culled
>immediately.

HMMM so why even attempt to breed if your gonna cull all the offspring? ...Cary

[CKight8988]

>HMMM so why even attempt to breed if your gonna cull all the offspring?
>...Cary
>

Sorry that should read "Why should one breed if they are gonna cull all the
offspring?"........Cary

[Cichlidiot]

CKight8988 > wrote:

> HMMM so why even attempt to breed if your gonna cull all the offspring? ...Cary

It sounds like the original poster is not intending to breed these fish.
The OP has just noticed breeding-like behavior and wondering if hybrids
are possible. The answer to that would be "yes, they are" and levittd is
advocating any such hybrids be destroyed.

[The Madd Hatter]

Not really. In the Rift Lakes, these species exist in isolated localities
separated by great rock reefs or large bodies of water. They are usually
territorial, hence they don't go far from where they are born. A lot of them
are genetically,very close, but wouldn't breed even if they ran into each
other since they usualy will have a choice ofmates from their own species
available that display the right cues.


"3492" > wrote in message
...
> I think crossbreeding is something that happens in the lake to and so
doing
> makes new species to i think(sorry if mij writng isn't so good
> patrick
> "Damaclese" > schreef in bericht
> ...
> > ive got an unidentified african that i got in a bulk deal. i have a 155
> > gallon bowfront. i think it may even be a southamerican im not too sure
> buy
> > any way it has recently decided to inhabit one of my coconut shells as a
> > breeding ground. i found this out by being attacked by it while
rearanging
> a
> > fuilter output tube it has attacked me a few times since it doesent draw
> > blood but is extreemly protective. what i was wondering is is there any
> > chance that males of the same lake may be able to fertilize different
> > species ? ive never encountetred this info anywhere else so im guessing
> the
> > answer will be a stong no
> >
> > any input will be helpfull thanks people!
> >
> >
>
>

[GrlIntrpted]

> Some species of cichlid will hybridize. This is where Flowerhorns and
Blood
> Parrots come from. The results are horrible, malformed beasts whose
> miserable, disabled existence serves only to pollute the bloodlines of
real
> cichlids. So yes, it is possible, but IMHO any offspring should be culled
> immediately.
> levittd

Hmmm, so what happens in nature? In the native habitat of the fish, unless
you are suggesting that there is absolutely no cross breeding in natural
surroundings...

Mariana

[CKight8988]

>It sounds like the original poster is not intending to breed these fish.
>The OP has just noticed breeding-like behavior and wondering if hybrids
>are possible. The answer to that would be "yes, they are" and levittd is
>advocating any such hybrids be destroyed.


Because of the abnormalties the fish my have would cause them discomfort?
Cary

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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 15:27:25 GMT, "GrlIntrpted"
> wrote:

>
>Hmmm, so what happens in nature? In the native habitat of the fish, unless
>you are suggesting that there is absolutely no cross breeding in natural
>surroundings...
>
>Mariana
>

Species that may cross usually don't live in the same area. They never
see one another until they meet in an aquarium. Even the common
aquarium hybrids such as those that occur in lake Malawi species never
meet in nature. The collectors are not allowed to dump excess fish
back into the lake. If they did some hybrids would occur. It's the
artificially forced cohabitation of different species from different
areas that produces the occasional cross.

It is very, very, very rare for hybrids to occur in nature.


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On Mon, 08 Sep 2003 13:41:09 GMT, "3492"
> wrote:

>I think crossbreeding is something that happens in the lake to and so doing
>makes new species to i think(sorry if mij writng isn't so good
>patrick
>

It's variation, population spread and subsequent isolation that
results in new species. The reverse doesn't happen.


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[RedForeman ©®]

> Because of the abnormalties the fish my have would cause them discomfort?
> Cary

maybe not discomfort, but deformities, like blood parrots, they can't close
their mouths... Flowerhorns are ugly beasts with a huge ugly lump on their
heads, bigger than the lumbhead cichlids...

go read this...
http://www.sydneycichlid.com/flowerhorn.html
just one of many about cichlid hybrids...

[Bob K.]

>Flowerhorns are ugly beasts with a huge ugly lump on their
>heads, bigger than the lumbhead cichlids...

I don't like those Flowerhorns, but that hump is no bigger
than on any mature Central American cichlid.

Bob

[jk]

"levittd" > wrote in message
. ca...
>
> "Damaclese" > wrote in message
> ...
> > ive got an unidentified african that i got in a bulk deal. i have a 155
> > gallon bowfront. i think it may even be a southamerican im not too sure
> buy
> > any way it has recently decided to inhabit one of my coconut shells as a
> > breeding ground. i found this out by being attacked by it while
rearanging
> a
> > fuilter output tube it has attacked me a few times since it doesent draw
> > blood but is extreemly protective. what i was wondering is is there any
> > chance that males of the same lake may be able to fertilize different
> > species ? ive never encountetred this info anywhere else so im guessing
> the
> > answer will be a stong no
> >
> > any input will be helpfull thanks people!
> >
> >
> Some species of cichlid will hybridize. This is where Flowerhorns and
Blood
> Parrots come from. The results are horrible, malformed beasts whose
> miserable, disabled existence serves only to pollute the bloodlines of
real
> cichlids. So yes, it is possible, but IMHO any offspring should be culled
> immediately.
> levittd
>
>


What species made the Parrot? Is this done regularly to make this hybrid?

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[Sarotherodon]

">
> What species made the Parrot? Is this done regularly to make this
hybrid?
>
> --
> JK Sinrod NY
> Sinrod Stained Glass
> www.sinrodstudios.com
> Coney Island Memories
> www.sinrodstudios.com/coneymemories
>
>
The original producers of the parrot cichlid have never, as far as I know,
put forward the exact origin of these fish. Consensus seems to be that they
originated with a severumXcitrinellus cross. Not sure if the crossing
continues, as some of the parrots are fertile, so maybe now they are just
bred to each other.
LOTS of cichlids will hybridize. Personally,in addition to the fact that I
just don't agree with hybridizing and distributing the offspring, I see
nothing in the flowerhorn that is better than a trimac, and certainly
nothing in the parrot cichlid that is more desirable than a severum or red
devil.
Paul

[The Madd Hatter]

You'd be surprised... I've seen some grotesque ones... They're breeding to
enhance the size of the hump these days.

"Bob K." > wrote in message
...
> >Flowerhorns are ugly beasts with a huge ugly lump on their
> >heads, bigger than the lumbhead cichlids...
>
> I don't like those Flowerhorns, but that hump is no bigger
> than on any mature Central American cichlid.
>
> Bob

[fentorydekson]

Some hybrids will cichlids. This is Flower horns and blood parrot comes from. The result is terrible, deformed animals miserable, and people with disabilities exist only to the true origin pollution cichlids. So, yes, it is possible, but with respect to any future generations should be culled immediately.

[emersonchriss]

There are many types of Koi today. There are even some hybrids have led to different varieties of Koi.here are also some koi types that were created out of crossbreeding different koi varieties and other common koi carp. This is an example of butterfly koi. This butterfly has long comet goldfish fin koi.

[anddrewcraig]

Some breed of cichlid will hybridize. This is area Flowerhorns and Blood Parrots appear from. The after-effects are horrible, abnormal beasts whose miserable, disabled actuality serves alone to adulterate the bloodlines of real cichlids. So yes, it is possible, but IMHO any baby should be culled.