birchir ornata

[poppyhead]

hello,
I am looking for a good home for my birchir ornata, I got him since 1 year
he is big, 7,5 inches long, and pretty large.
beautiful specimen, very healthy, raison I decide to let him go, is due, to
the change of set up I decide to do with my tank, I am looking to setup a
small fish community tank, like guppies etc...
I am prepared to either sell him for £40 or swap him for small community
fish like guppies, platys, newts etc...
any offers will be appreciated it.
I already got 3 tank on the go, and have not the right tank to put him in.
I am based in London UK.
email me if interested at;

thank for reading,
regards
André.


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[RedForeman ©®]

I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it, but when you purchase
some pet, you can't just change your mind one day, and return it or trade it
for something else you want.... It's not a child, but it IS a responsibility
that you've chosen to take on...

btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is explicit, and should be
changed... Otherwise people here will start calling you Chip or JIMMY, or
some other sad sick character.....


> hello,
> I am looking for a good home for my birchir ornata, I got him since 1 year
> he is big, 7,5 inches long, and pretty large.
> beautiful specimen, very healthy, raison I decide to let him go, is due,
to
> the change of set up I decide to do with my tank, I am looking to setup a
> small fish community tank, like guppies etc...
> I am prepared to either sell him for £40 or swap him for small community
> fish like guppies, platys, newts etc...
> any offers will be appreciated it.
> I already got 3 tank on the go, and have not the right tank to put him in.
> I am based in London UK.
> email me if interested at;
>
> thank for reading,
> regards
> André.
>
>
> --
> ...
>
> --
> ...
>
>

[Rick]

I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion however many people
return fish to their LFS to trade and many others raise fish , breed them
and sell them at local Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred to
obtain BAP points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I have now.

Rick


"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it, but when you
purchase
> some pet, you can't just change your mind one day, and return it or trade
it
> for something else you want.... It's not a child, but it IS a
responsibility
> that you've chosen to take on...
>
> btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is explicit, and should
be
> changed... Otherwise people here will start calling you Chip or JIMMY, or
> some other sad sick character.....
>
>
> > hello,
> > I am looking for a good home for my birchir ornata, I got him since 1
year
> > he is big, 7,5 inches long, and pretty large.
> > beautiful specimen, very healthy, raison I decide to let him go, is due,
> to
> > the change of set up I decide to do with my tank, I am looking to setup
a
> > small fish community tank, like guppies etc...
> > I am prepared to either sell him for £40 or swap him for small community
> > fish like guppies, platys, newts etc...
> > any offers will be appreciated it.
> > I already got 3 tank on the go, and have not the right tank to put him
in.
> > I am based in London UK.
> > email me if interested at;
> >
> > thank for reading,
> > regards
> > André.
> >
> >
> > --
> > ...
> >
> > --
> > ...
> >
> >
>
>

[Sarotherodon]

"Rick" > wrote in message
news:S3kfb.11518$9l5.9267@pd7tw2no...
> I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion however many people
> return fish to their LFS to trade and many others raise fish , breed them
> and sell them at local Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred to
> obtain BAP points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I have
now.
>
> Rick
>
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it, but when you
> purchase
> > some pet, you can't just change your mind one day, and return it or
trade
> it
> > for something else you want.... It's not a child, but it IS a
> responsibility
> > that you've chosen to take on...
> >
> > btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is explicit, and
should
> be
> > changed... Otherwise people here will start calling you Chip or JIMMY,
or
> > some other sad sick character.....
> >
<snip>

I tend to agree with Rick on this. I have a couple of batches of fry
growing right now. No way I can keep all of them. A few may go to local pet
shop, a few will stay in my tanks, and many will end up as feeders. I don't
see anything wrong with finding a new home for an animal. Dogs and other
higher animals may be psychologically stressed by new owners, but I don't
think fish are. Having said that, I DO have a problem with stores which
sell, and people who buy, animals that they or others are unlikely to be
able to properly care for. Who really has room for a redtail cat or pacu
when they are full grown? A lot of pets that are really beyond the capacity
of the average owner to care for are bought and sold.

[Yan Chengyi]

I would love to have him if he is not too aggressive. Anyway, don't think it
will be possible for I'm from Singapore. Currently, I have two bichirs
living in harmony for nearly two years now, sure they would love more
company in hunting down prawns.. :)


"poppyhead" <cum@on me.cum> wrote in message
...
> hello,
> I am looking for a good home for my birchir ornata, I got him since 1 year
> he is big, 7,5 inches long, and pretty large.
> beautiful specimen, very healthy, raison I decide to let him go, is due,
to
> the change of set up I decide to do with my tank, I am looking to setup a
> small fish community tank, like guppies etc...
> I am prepared to either sell him for £40 or swap him for small community
> fish like guppies, platys, newts etc...
> any offers will be appreciated it.
> I already got 3 tank on the go, and have not the right tank to put him in.
> I am based in London UK.
> email me if interested at;
>
> thank for reading,
> regards
> André.
>
>
> --
> ...
>
> --
> ...
>
>

[Yan Chengyi]

So who haven't "set free" any of their companions so far? I hated to do that
but sometime it's beyond our control. They just get too big, far beyond our
financial capability.


"Sarotherodon" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Rick" > wrote in message
> news:S3kfb.11518$9l5.9267@pd7tw2no...
> > I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion however many
people
> > return fish to their LFS to trade and many others raise fish , breed
them
> > and sell them at local Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred
to
> > obtain BAP points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I have
> now.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it, but when you
> > purchase
> > > some pet, you can't just change your mind one day, and return it or
> trade
> > it
> > > for something else you want.... It's not a child, but it IS a
> > responsibility
> > > that you've chosen to take on...
> > >
> > > btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is explicit, and
> should
> > be
> > > changed... Otherwise people here will start calling you Chip or
JIMMY,
> or
> > > some other sad sick character.....
> > >
> <snip>
>
> I tend to agree with Rick on this. I have a couple of batches of fry
> growing right now. No way I can keep all of them. A few may go to local
pet
> shop, a few will stay in my tanks, and many will end up as feeders. I
don't
> see anything wrong with finding a new home for an animal. Dogs and other
> higher animals may be psychologically stressed by new owners, but I don't
> think fish are. Having said that, I DO have a problem with stores which
> sell, and people who buy, animals that they or others are unlikely to be
> able to properly care for. Who really has room for a redtail cat or pacu
> when they are full grown? A lot of pets that are really beyond the
capacity
> of the average owner to care for are bought and sold.
>
>

[Mephistopheles]

Not sure about Singapore, but in this country it is generally
illegal to release non-native fish into the wild. It can and has
caused serious environmental problems. "Setting free" such a fish
is often the absolute worst solution among the various
alternatives. They recently had to poison an entire pond in this
country to rid it of Asian snakeheads which would have decimated to
local fish population.

Meph

"Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
:

> So who haven't "set free" any of their companions so far? I
> hated to do that but sometime it's beyond our control. They just
> get too big, far beyond our financial capability.
>
>
> "Sarotherodon" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "Rick" > wrote in message
>> news:S3kfb.11518$9l5.9267@pd7tw2no...
>> > I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion
>> > however many people return fish to their LFS to trade and
>> > many others raise fish , breed them and sell them at local
>> > Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred to obtain BAP
>> > points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I have
>> > now.
>> >
>> > Rick
>> >
>> >
>> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it, but
>> > > when you purchase some pet, you can't just change your mind
>> > > one day, and return it or trade it for something else you
>> > > want.... It's not a child, but it IS a responsibility that
>> > > you've chosen to take on...
>> > >
>> > > btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is
>> > > explicit, and should be changed... Otherwise people here
>> > > will start calling you Chip or JIMMY, or some other sad
>> > > sick character.....
>> > >
>> <snip>
>>
>> I tend to agree with Rick on this. I have a couple of batches
>> of fry growing right now. No way I can keep all of them. A few
>> may go to local pet shop, a few will stay in my tanks, and many
>> will end up as feeders. I don't see anything wrong with finding
>> a new home for an animal. Dogs and other higher animals may be
>> psychologically stressed by new owners, but I don't think fish
>> are. Having said that, I DO have a problem with stores which
>> sell, and people who buy, animals that they or others are
>> unlikely to be able to properly care for. Who really has room
>> for a redtail cat or pacu when they are full grown? A lot of
>> pets that are really beyond the capacity of the average owner
>> to care for are bought and sold.
>>
>>
>
>

[Rick]

"Yan Chengyi" > wrote in message
...
> I would love to have him if he is not too aggressive. Anyway, don't think
it
> will be possible for I'm from Singapore. Currently, I have two bichirs
> living in harmony for nearly two years now, sure they would love more
> company in hunting down prawns.. :)
>


I'll come to Singapore (have been there and loved it) and hunt down those
prawns for you !!!

Rick

[Yan Chengyi]

Oh yeah.. I remembered the snakehead saga sometime back. Guess bichir can be
as ferocious as snakehead though they tend to be more shy/easily frightened.
Guess this does not matter. They are non-native after all. The snakehead
event is a good lesson for us all. So mind telling us some of your
alternatives? I only know that the guys from the fish farm might be
interested for breeding purposes.


"Mephistopheles" > wrote in
message hlink.net...
> Not sure about Singapore, but in this country it is generally
> illegal to release non-native fish into the wild. It can and has
> caused serious environmental problems. "Setting free" such a fish
> is often the absolute worst solution among the various
> alternatives. They recently had to poison an entire pond in this
> country to rid it of Asian snakeheads which would have decimated to
> local fish population.
>
> Meph
>
> "Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
> :
>
> > So who haven't "set free" any of their companions so far? I
> > hated to do that but sometime it's beyond our control. They just
> > get too big, far beyond our financial capability.
> >
> >
> > "Sarotherodon" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "Rick" > wrote in message
> >> news:S3kfb.11518$9l5.9267@pd7tw2no...
> >> > I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion
> >> > however many people return fish to their LFS to trade and
> >> > many others raise fish , breed them and sell them at local
> >> > Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred to obtain BAP
> >> > points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I have
> >> > now.
> >> >
> >> > Rick
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > > I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it, but
> >> > > when you purchase some pet, you can't just change your mind
> >> > > one day, and return it or trade it for something else you
> >> > > want.... It's not a child, but it IS a responsibility that
> >> > > you've chosen to take on...
> >> > >
> >> > > btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is
> >> > > explicit, and should be changed... Otherwise people here
> >> > > will start calling you Chip or JIMMY, or some other sad
> >> > > sick character.....
> >> > >
> >> <snip>
> >>
> >> I tend to agree with Rick on this. I have a couple of batches
> >> of fry growing right now. No way I can keep all of them. A few
> >> may go to local pet shop, a few will stay in my tanks, and many
> >> will end up as feeders. I don't see anything wrong with finding
> >> a new home for an animal. Dogs and other higher animals may be
> >> psychologically stressed by new owners, but I don't think fish
> >> are. Having said that, I DO have a problem with stores which
> >> sell, and people who buy, animals that they or others are
> >> unlikely to be able to properly care for. Who really has room
> >> for a redtail cat or pacu when they are full grown? A lot of
> >> pets that are really beyond the capacity of the average owner
> >> to care for are bought and sold.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

[Yan Chengyi]

Your gesture is much appreciated. I would love more company in netting more
feeds for my baby. :)

"Rick" > wrote in message
news:D_dgb.32428$pl3.9183@pd7tw3no...
>
> "Yan Chengyi" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I would love to have him if he is not too aggressive. Anyway, don't
think
> it
> > will be possible for I'm from Singapore. Currently, I have two bichirs
> > living in harmony for nearly two years now, sure they would love more
> > company in hunting down prawns.. :)
> >
>
>
> I'll come to Singapore (have been there and loved it) and hunt down those
> prawns for you !!!
>
> Rick
>
>

[Mephistopheles]

"Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
:

> Oh yeah.. I remembered the snakehead saga sometime back. Guess
> bichir can be as ferocious as snakehead though they tend to be
> more shy/easily frightened. Guess this does not matter. They are
> non-native after all. The snakehead event is a good lesson for
> us all. So mind telling us some of your alternatives?

Fortunately, I live in a locality where the pet stores happily
purchase fish from hobbyists. And those fish are generally quickly
sold to other hobbyists. If I were not so fortunate, I would
endeavor not to purchase fish that might easily outgrow the
surroundings I could provide for them. As for those who put
themselves in that position, you are pretty much limited to the
classifieds, local aquarium societies, or fish shows or auctions.
Other than that, euthanasia will be vastly preferable to risking
decimation of the local fish population and serious ecosystem
disruption by introducing exotic species into the wild.

Meph

I only
> know that the guys from the fish farm might be interested for
> breeding purposes.
>
>
> "Mephistopheles" >
> wrote in message
> hlink.net...
>> Not sure about Singapore, but in this country it is generally
>> illegal to release non-native fish into the wild. It can and
>> has caused serious environmental problems. "Setting free" such
>> a fish is often the absolute worst solution among the various
>> alternatives. They recently had to poison an entire pond in
>> this country to rid it of Asian snakeheads which would have
>> decimated to local fish population.
>>
>> Meph
>>
>> "Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > So who haven't "set free" any of their companions so far? I
>> > hated to do that but sometime it's beyond our control. They
>> > just get too big, far beyond our financial capability.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Sarotherodon" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >>
>> >> "Rick" > wrote in message
>> >> news:S3kfb.11518$9l5.9267@pd7tw2no...
>> >> > I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion
>> >> > however many people return fish to their LFS to trade and
>> >> > many others raise fish , breed them and sell them at local
>> >> > Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred to obtain
>> >> > BAP points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I
>> >> > have now.
>> >> >
>> >> > Rick
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> > > I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it,
>> >> > > but when you purchase some pet, you can't just change
>> >> > > your mind one day, and return it or trade it for
>> >> > > something else you want.... It's not a child, but it IS
>> >> > > a responsibility that you've chosen to take on...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is
>> >> > > explicit, and should be changed... Otherwise people
>> >> > > here will start calling you Chip or JIMMY, or some other
>> >> > > sad sick character.....
>> >> > >
>> >> <snip>
>> >>
>> >> I tend to agree with Rick on this. I have a couple of
>> >> batches of fry growing right now. No way I can keep all of
>> >> them. A few may go to local pet shop, a few will stay in my
>> >> tanks, and many will end up as feeders. I don't see anything
>> >> wrong with finding a new home for an animal. Dogs and other
>> >> higher animals may be psychologically stressed by new
>> >> owners, but I don't think fish are. Having said that, I DO
>> >> have a problem with stores which sell, and people who buy,
>> >> animals that they or others are unlikely to be able to
>> >> properly care for. Who really has room for a redtail cat or
>> >> pacu when they are full grown? A lot of pets that are
>> >> really beyond the capacity of the average owner to care for
>> >> are bought and sold.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>
>

[Yan Chengyi]

I totally agreed with you. Just some extra info for those who might be
interested. They can live for several years and grow up to eighteen inches
long though some other polyterids reaches a length of more than two feet.

"Mephistopheles" > wrote in
message ink.net...
> "Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
> :
>
> Fortunately, I live in a locality where the pet stores happily
> purchase fish from hobbyists. And those fish are generally quickly
> sold to other hobbyists. If I were not so fortunate, I would
> endeavor not to purchase fish that might easily outgrow the
> surroundings I could provide for them. As for those who put
> themselves in that position, you are pretty much limited to the
> classifieds, local aquarium societies, or fish shows or auctions.
> Other than that, euthanasia will be vastly preferable to risking
> decimation of the local fish population and serious ecosystem
> disruption by introducing exotic species into the wild.
>
> Meph
>

[The Madd Hatter]

In some places zoo's might be willing to take overgrown fish in, if they
have a biotope thats relevant.
"Mephistopheles" > wrote in
message ink.net...
> "Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
> :
>
> > Oh yeah.. I remembered the snakehead saga sometime back. Guess
> > bichir can be as ferocious as snakehead though they tend to be
> > more shy/easily frightened. Guess this does not matter. They are
> > non-native after all. The snakehead event is a good lesson for
> > us all. So mind telling us some of your alternatives?
>
> Fortunately, I live in a locality where the pet stores happily
> purchase fish from hobbyists. And those fish are generally quickly
> sold to other hobbyists. If I were not so fortunate, I would
> endeavor not to purchase fish that might easily outgrow the
> surroundings I could provide for them. As for those who put
> themselves in that position, you are pretty much limited to the
> classifieds, local aquarium societies, or fish shows or auctions.
> Other than that, euthanasia will be vastly preferable to risking
> decimation of the local fish population and serious ecosystem
> disruption by introducing exotic species into the wild.
>
> Meph
>
> I only
> > know that the guys from the fish farm might be interested for
> > breeding purposes.
> >
> >
> > "Mephistopheles" >
> > wrote in message
> > hlink.net...
> >> Not sure about Singapore, but in this country it is generally
> >> illegal to release non-native fish into the wild. It can and
> >> has caused serious environmental problems. "Setting free" such
> >> a fish is often the absolute worst solution among the various
> >> alternatives. They recently had to poison an entire pond in
> >> this country to rid it of Asian snakeheads which would have
> >> decimated to local fish population.
> >>
> >> Meph
> >>
> >> "Yan Chengyi" > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> > So who haven't "set free" any of their companions so far? I
> >> > hated to do that but sometime it's beyond our control. They
> >> > just get too big, far beyond our financial capability.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Sarotherodon" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Rick" > wrote in message
> >> >> news:S3kfb.11518$9l5.9267@pd7tw2no...
> >> >> > I don't think anyone should flame you for your opinion
> >> >> > however many people return fish to their LFS to trade and
> >> >> > many others raise fish , breed them and sell them at local
> >> >> > Aquarium Societies. If I kept every fish I bred to obtain
> >> >> > BAP points I would need a lot more that the 35 aquariums I
> >> >> > have now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Rick
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> >> >> > ...
> >> >> > > I'm going to say this, and probably get flamed for it,
> >> >> > > but when you purchase some pet, you can't just change
> >> >> > > your mind one day, and return it or trade it for
> >> >> > > something else you want.... It's not a child, but it IS
> >> >> > > a responsibility that you've chosen to take on...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > btw, your address that you've chosen to use here, is
> >> >> > > explicit, and should be changed... Otherwise people
> >> >> > > here will start calling you Chip or JIMMY, or some other
> >> >> > > sad sick character.....
> >> >> > >
> >> >> <snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> I tend to agree with Rick on this. I have a couple of
> >> >> batches of fry growing right now. No way I can keep all of
> >> >> them. A few may go to local pet shop, a few will stay in my
> >> >> tanks, and many will end up as feeders. I don't see anything
> >> >> wrong with finding a new home for an animal. Dogs and other
> >> >> higher animals may be psychologically stressed by new
> >> >> owners, but I don't think fish are. Having said that, I DO
> >> >> have a problem with stores which sell, and people who buy,
> >> >> animals that they or others are unlikely to be able to
> >> >> properly care for. Who really has room for a redtail cat or
> >> >> pacu when they are full grown? A lot of pets that are
> >> >> really beyond the capacity of the average owner to care for
> >> >> are bought and sold.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>