ID Africans

[perrin]

Can anyone help ID these Africans? I have three species (1 1/2-inch
juveniles):
1. White bodies/fins with orange eyes
2. Silverish body with green patches on body and red patches on fins
3. Body with bluish vertical stripes, blue-coloured head and yellowish fins

I know the plecos and bichirs :)

TIA.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26786

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Perrin
I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now

[RedForeman ©®]

they're peacocks, but can't id the light blue one... ps. zebra of some sort
I'm guessing...
"perrin" > wrote in message
...
> Can anyone help ID these Africans? I have three species (1 1/2-inch
> juveniles):
> 1. White bodies/fins with orange eyes
> 2. Silverish body with green patches on body and red patches on fins
> 3. Body with bluish vertical stripes, blue-coloured head and yellowish
fins
>
> I know the plecos and bichirs :)
>
> TIA.
>
> http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26786
>
> --
> cheers
> Perrin
> I was so much older then
> I'm younger than that now
>
>

[Sarotherodon]

"perrin" > wrote in message
...
> Can anyone help ID these Africans? I have three species (1 1/2-inch
> juveniles):
> 1. White bodies/fins with orange eyes
> 2. Silverish body with green patches on body and red patches on fins
> 3. Body with bluish vertical stripes, blue-coloured head and yellowish
fins
>
> I know the plecos and bichirs :)
>
> TIA.
>
> http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26786
>
> --
> cheers
> Perrin
> I was so much older then
> I'm younger than that now
>
#2 Looks like Nimbochromis fuscotaeniatus to me.
#3 Some type of Peacock for sure.
The post under the pic indicates that the peacocks and haps are hybrids.
Are there any points that definitely identify them as hybrids?
Post also indicates albino socoloffi. Are these pure, or created from
albino zebraX socoloffi crosses? The status of hybrid fish is pretty
interesting. Many experts doubt the purity of most albino rift lake
cichlids. In the reptile world, new albinos of a particular species are big
news and it is a big deal that the breeder coming out with them be able to
prove purity of the species. This doesn't seem to be the case with
cichlids. Do most cichid hobbyists who care about species purity pretty
much avoid albinos anyway?

[The Madd Hatter]

In a lot of cases the albino's are line bred. Its a natural condition that
appears in the wild fairly seldom (2 to 3% chance). The reason we see so
many is because breeders will line breed them for that trait. This doesn't
make them hybrids. However, being albino, it makes it a lot tougher to tell
if the fish is a hybrid or not, since there aren't any color cues to
identify. Particularly annoying in peacocks.

"Sarotherodon" > wrote in message
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>
> "perrin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Can anyone help ID these Africans? I have three species (1 1/2-inch
> > juveniles):
> > 1. White bodies/fins with orange eyes
> > 2. Silverish body with green patches on body and red patches on fins
> > 3. Body with bluish vertical stripes, blue-coloured head and yellowish
> fins
> >
> > I know the plecos and bichirs :)
> >
> > TIA.
> >
> > http://www.cichlid-forum.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=26786
> >
> > --
> > cheers
> > Perrin
> > I was so much older then
> > I'm younger than that now
> >
> #2 Looks like Nimbochromis fuscotaeniatus to me.
> #3 Some type of Peacock for sure.
> The post under the pic indicates that the peacocks and haps are hybrids.
> Are there any points that definitely identify them as hybrids?
> Post also indicates albino socoloffi. Are these pure, or created from
> albino zebraX socoloffi crosses? The status of hybrid fish is pretty
> interesting. Many experts doubt the purity of most albino rift lake
> cichlids. In the reptile world, new albinos of a particular species are
big
> news and it is a big deal that the breeder coming out with them be able to
> prove purity of the species. This doesn't seem to be the case with
> cichlids. Do most cichid hobbyists who care about species purity pretty
> much avoid albinos anyway?
>
>
>

[Sarotherodon]

"The Madd Hatter" > wrote in message
. cable.rogers.com...
> In a lot of cases the albino's are line bred. Its a natural condition that
> appears in the wild fairly seldom (2 to 3% chance). The reason we see so
> many is because breeders will line breed them for that trait. This doesn't
> make them hybrids. However, being albino, it makes it a lot tougher to
tell
> if the fish is a hybrid or not, since there aren't any color cues to
> identify. Particularly annoying in peacocks.

Sure, albinos would be line bred to get offspring that are homozygous.
Albinism is a pretty rare trait, I think its prevalence is far less than
2-3%, probably far less than 1%. For his reason, existing albinos have been
crossed into different species to get "new" albino. A lot of people believe
that most albinos rift lake cichlids are the result of hybrids with already
existing albinos, then backcrossing to get the look of the original species
with the albino trait.
I'm curious if this is as common as some people believe. I suspect that it
is. I am curious why, since cichlid hobbyists generally are more concerned
with keeping species pure, it is not big news when an albino is first
discovered. This is true with reptiles. If you come out with a bunch of
albinos of some species for sale without documenting where the original
albino parent came from, and that it was a pure species to begin with, most
serious hobbyists will not want the offspring.
Just curious why, unless they are mostly hybrids, the intial albino mutants
are not big news in the hobby.