Corals / Anemones/ lighting

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

[Don Geddis]

Peter Pan > wrote on Sat, 12 Jan 2008:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I don't
> know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some research. I know I
> don't want to buy any special lighting other then bulbs so, from Soup to
> nuts, what will I need to do?

Is this a joke? The main difference (besides requiring superior water
quality) between keeping only fish, and keeping corals/anemones, is brighter
lighting. Most corals and most anemones get a significant fraction of their
energy input from lighting.

As to what "else" you'll need, surely it depends on what you've got right
now. It's possible that a FOWLR tank is already a perfectly fine environment
for corals/anemones -- probably except for the lighting. And probably some
kind of calcium supplement for corals; they absorb calcium from the water and
use it to build their skeletons, so you need to regularly replace that (with
calicum powder, or using kalkwasser for your evaporation topoff).

But you didn't mention what equipment you already had. You didn't mention
what your water parameters were (ammonia, nitrates, calcium, etc.). How do
you expect anyone to actually answer your question seriously about what you
"need to do"?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
I hope some animal never bores a hole in my head and lays its eggs in my brain,
because later you might think you're having a good idea but it's just eggs
hatching. -- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 12, 1:20*pm, Peter Pan > wrote:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. *I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

its all together possible to grow quite a lot of various softies in a
tank with standard NO lighting. I donlt have a clue what you have now
for lights, but the addition of actinic would be nice not only for
viewing and bringing out colors but some critters need actinic to do
best.Mushrooms, some leathers, feather dusters / tube worms, cocoa
worms, green star polyp, yellow polyps, a lot if not most all
zooanthids will all do pretty darn good with no special lighting. Make
sure your fish are suitable for a reef environment though. And while
its not 110% necessary you would benefit big time with a skimmer, and
using rodi water as once you add corals and live rock its a whole
different matter of solving any problems if they arise..and rodi water
does solve a lot of headache normally encountered with reg
dechlorinated tap water.

Personally I would not even fool with an anenome, some require better
light than standard type lighting stock tanks come with and they are
prone to moving all over the tank and wind up where you do not want
them, most times..........I prefer to look at them in someone else's
tank and not mine.

[[email protected]]

Peter Pan > wrote:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

Go with T5s; very bright, not as much heat as halogens, so unless you're
using a deep tank, you don't need halogens.

What kind of filtration do you have? You need, minimum, a very good
skimmer, and the cniderians do better with a decent refugium. CPR
sells a good one for under $300.

You'll also need a good amount of live rock, and likely a sand bed.
Different anemones/corals require different environments in that
regard.

Mike

[KurtG[_3_]]

Peter Pan wrote:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

Caught the bug, did you? Be(a)ware that it can be hazardous to your
pocket book.

So, what do you currently have? What sort of things do you want to keep?

--Kurt

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

My current set up is 75 gal tank with approx 85 lbs of LR with a deep
sand bed. The tank is established for 7 years. Lighting; I have actinic
and Coralife trichromatic Fluorescents. Canister Filtration, Skimmer and
RODI. Nitrates are usually under 15ppm, I don't have issues with Ammonia
or Nitrites of any thing else.

[Wayne Sallee]

Then don't buy any corals or anemones.

Wayne Sallee



Peter Pan wrote on 1/12/2008 2:20 PM:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

[Wayne Sallee]

Go to your favorite pet store that has lots of
puppies. Tell them that you want a puppy. Tell them
that you know that you don't want to have to feed
it. Then ask them which puppy you should get.

Wayne Sallee



Peter Pan wrote on 1/12/2008 2:20 PM:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 12, 6:31*pm, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> Go to your favorite pet store that has lots of
> puppies. Tell them that you want a puppy. Tell them
> that you know that you don't want to have to feed
> it. Then ask them which puppy you should get.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote on 1/12/2008 2:20 PM:
>
>
>
> > I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> > don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> > research. *I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> > bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Such ****.but then it could be expected coming from this
bunch.Certainly he can have softies without having to invest in nmew
lighting.pitch the cannister filter and get a skimmer and go.Its
doable but these know it alls think you have to toss $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$$$$$$$ top get corals or any kind to grow..................just not
so.........and there is a lot of corals out there that are low light
requirements and will do fine with what you have............contrary
to what these assholes say...............The majority of these
assholes also say you can not properly have corals in a pico or nano
tank but its done everyday with astonishing
results..................Just stay away from anemones and watch what
corals yu buy and you will be fine. he LFS here has shop[ lights and
juist a single 10K bulb over a 115 gal tank and its spectacular with
all kinds of low light requirement
softies........................................... ....Its no wonder
Wayne could not keep his buisness affloat..........he is used to
pushing top $$$$$$$$$ items for mucho profit with disregards to
customers and what one really needs to have............Of course none
here will admit to it as they are afraid to take the name of the Lord
of the Aquyaria Marine Groups name in vain, but they know it can be
done..................they just don't know how! If it can be done ina
12 gal opr 29 gal Eclipse II or III tank you can do it in yours too
with little more $$$ cash to lay out!

[KurtG[_3_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Go to your favorite pet store that has lots of puppies. Tell them that
> you want a puppy. Tell them that you know that you don't want to have to
> feed it. Then ask them which puppy you should get.


LOL. Man, tough crowd.

[RubenD[_3_]]

I would go to ebay and buy some cheap power compacts, then get some low
light coral (mushrooms, etc.)
Anemones? well, get a haitian, condi. they are very cheap and hardy.

Bottomline, either ones (corals/anemones) are sensitive and need some light
to survive, the prettier ones are more demanding and delicate.

Keep in mind, once you get into them, there's no way back, you'll spend
the money slowly but constantly, ....I know...I have coral =)

Sal****erfish.com has some anemones for $7.99 for begginers.

You'll need more control on you water quality (calcium, iodide, etc.) and
don't forget to check if you inhabitants EAT coral, it could be an expensive
dish,

Zoo's are very toxic(deadly), I would stay away from them, and no, I don't
intend to get a flame thead out of this comment.

Good Luck!

p.s.: did I mention you might need a CHILLER to keep the temperature down,
depending on where you live.


"Peter Pan" > wrote in message
. ..
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

I did some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
requirements where others require Moderate to high levels of lighting.
It all depends on the coral.
Thanks everyone for your responses.

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 14, 5:32*pm, Peter Pan > wrote:
> I did *some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
> requirements *where others require Moderate to high levels of lighting.
> It all depends on the coral.
> Thanks everyone for your responses.

I rest my case!
Your setup will do just fine with a lot of corals out there and the
lights you now have............

[Wayne Sallee]

You need to do more research

Wayne Sallee



Peter Pan wrote on 1/14/2008 6:32 PM:
> I did some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
> requirements where others require Moderate to high levels of lighting.
> It all depends on the coral.
> Thanks everyone for your responses.

[Don Geddis]

Peter Pan > wrote on Mon, 14 Jan 2008:
> I did some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
> requirements where others require Moderate to high levels of lighting. It
> all depends on the coral.

Sure, that's true. But the vast majority of "pretty" "colorful" corals are
going to be in the needs-light category. If you walk into a random tropical
fish store, I'd bet 90-99% of the corals they have for sale require something
more than low lighting.

But if you REALLY insist on keeping low lighting (why?), and you're REALLY
careful on your well-researched selection of species, then you're right that
in theory you could find a few corals (and even a few anemones) that will
thrive without significant lighting.

That's not what most people mean by a "reef tank". And it means that when
you walk into a fish store, the vast majority of corals that you see will not
be appropriate for your tank.

But sure. "Some" corals have low light requirements.

Don't forget the required high water quality (probably means a protein
skimmer), and the needed calcium additions (for most corals). And the
low-light corals may need to be hand fed, so try to figure out what food they
eat and be sure to provide it.

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
Just because your doctor has a name for your condition doesn't mean he knows
what it is.

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> You need to do more research
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote on 1/14/2008 6:32 PM:
>> I did some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
>> requirements where others require Moderate to high levels of
>> lighting. It all depends on the coral.
>> Thanks everyone for your responses.

Wayne
this is one site that had low - moderate light requirement corals, there
were plenty of corals that needed more lighting on other sites. I did a
google search on Low light corals and founds several web sites

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 14, 7:55*pm, Peter Pan > wrote:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
> > You need to do more research
>
> > Wayne Sallee
> >
>
> > Peter Pan wrote on 1/14/2008 6:32 PM:
> >> I did *some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
> >> requirements *where others require Moderate to high levels of
> >> lighting. It all depends on the coral.
> >> Thanks everyone for your responses.
>
> Wayne
> this is one site that had low - moderate light requirement corals, there
> were plenty of corals that needed more lighting on other sites. I did a
> google search on Low light corals and founds several web sites

LISTEN UP ****TARDS. iIts not what you like its what Peter likes, and
if he likes what he sees thats his game, unless your gonna pay for it
assholes..............Its not what you want that he inquired about its
if he can do what he asked and the answer is YES YES
YES.............but what the **** do I know, ok I Know, Wayne is a
****ing idiot as well as Geddis and KurtG.......................REAL
****IN IDIOTS......some of yu also need to learaan to ****iing read,
as he stated he HAS A MOTHER ****ING SKIMMER AND USES RODI .......so
that is what it takes for good water RIGHT Mr, Dumbass
Geddis...........learn to read and comprehend what the **** your
reading asshole. Y'all need to pull your heads out of Waynes
ass.................................and come up for some air!

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 14, 6:45*pm, Don Geddis > wrote:
> Peter Pan > wrote on Mon, 14 Jan 2008:
>
> > I did some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
> > requirements where others require Moderate to high levels of lighting. It
> > all depends on the coral.
>
> Sure, that's true. *But the vast majority of "pretty" "colorful" corals are
> going to be in the needs-light category. *If you walk into a random tropical
> fish store, I'd bet 90-99% of the corals they have for sale require something
> more than low lighting.
>
> But if you REALLY insist on keeping low lighting (why?), and you're REALLY
> careful on your well-researched selection of species, then you're right that
> in theory you could find a few corals (and even a few anemones) that will
> thrive without significant lighting.
>
> That's not what most people mean by a "reef tank". *And it means that when
> you walk into a fish store, the vast majority of corals that you see will not
> be appropriate for your tank.
>
> But sure. *"Some" corals have low light requirements.
>
> Don't forget the required high water quality (probably means a protein
> skimmer), and the needed calcium additions (for most corals). *And the
> low-light corals may need to be hand fed, so try to figure out what food they
> eat and be sure to provide it.
>
> * * * * -- Don
> __________________________________________________ _________________________*____
> Don Geddis * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *http://reef.geddis.org/
> Just because your doctor has a name for your condition doesn't mean he knows
> what it is.

Your a real dumbass idiot moron Don.................A real first class
moron at that! Your a prime example of what a real dumbass would
be...........Bet your wife helps you put your socks on and wipes your
ass!

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 14, 7:55*pm, Peter Pan > wrote:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
> > You need to do more research
>
> > Wayne Sallee
> >
>
> > Peter Pan wrote on 1/14/2008 6:32 PM:
> >> I did *some research on lighting: Some corals have low to medium light
> >> requirements *where others require Moderate to high levels of
> >> lighting. It all depends on the coral.
> >> Thanks everyone for your responses.
>
> Wayne
> this is one site that had low - moderate light requirement corals, there
> were plenty of corals that needed more lighting on other sites. I did a
> google search on Low light corals and founds several web sites

Hey Don, you sure do have a bunch of male pattern baldness there. Is
that from being unemployed and still trying to make a reef tank or is
it from buffing it on the inner thighs of these marine reef dumbasses
like yourself? UNEMPLOYED from 2002 until NOW! DUH................or
at least your unemployed as far as paying taxes is concerned and all
the off the cuff money from being a typical ho' don;t count! Imagine
being unemployed witha BS in computer sciences, living on the west
coast amongst all those nerds and he can't get a ****ing job! Must be
a real dumbass huh? Guess its too cushy living off mom and pop or
letting the wife work, while he wacks off to his fishies

[KurtG[_3_]]

Don Geddis wrote:
> But sure. "Some" corals have low light requirements.


Black corals need hardly any light. That's why they are found so deep
in the ocean. There are entire coral beds lying in 300 ft of water
where light would be murky at best. These probably live off of marine
snow rather then photosynthesis.

Whether you'd want to keep them in your aquarium, would be a different
question. I'd turn it around and ask what you want to keep, and then go
from there. Zoos and mushrooms are rumored to be the easiest and lowest
light species that commonly kept.

--Kurt

[KurtG[_4_]]

On Jan 15, 7:31*am, KurtG > wrote:
> Don Geddis wrote:
> > But sure. *"Some" corals have low light requirements.
>
> Black corals need hardly any light. *That's why they are found so deep
> in the ocean. *There are entire coral beds lying in 300 ft of water
> where light would be murky at best. *These probably live off of marine
> snow rather then photosynthesis.
>
> Whether you'd want to keep them in your aquarium, would be a different
> question. *I'd turn it around and ask what you want to keep, and then go
> from there. *Zoos and mushrooms are rumored to be the easiest and lowest
> light species that commonly kept.
>
> --Kurt

No **** dick tracey..............duh duh duh duh duh...............go
buy a clue Kurt instead of spending all your money on butt hole time
on Wayne!

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_2_]]

Peter Pan wrote:
> I have a FOWLR and I'm thinking of adding corals and or anemones. I
> don't know anything about either of them so I'm here doing some
> research. I know I don't want to buy any special lighting other then
> bulbs so, from Soup to nuts, what will I need to do?
I'm successfully keeping some zoanthids and mushrooms using those fancy
schmancy flor bulbs....not fiddling with metal halide or anything, and
they're doing OK. From what I undertand the only thing that is flat out
eliminated from contention by doing it this way are clams and the like...

--
Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)
I love woot.com and techbargains.com

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[rickdamons]

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[andrewwmillton]

Go to your admired pet abundance that has lots of puppies. Tell them that you wish a puppy. Tell them that you apperceive that you don't wish to accept to feed it. Then ask them which puppy you should get.

[jimmyanderrson]

My accepted set up is 75 gal catchbasin with approx 85 lbs of LR with a deep sand bed. The catchbasin is accustomed for 7 years. Lighting; I accept actinic and Coralife trichromatic Fluorescents. Canister Filtration, Skimmer and RODI. Nitrates are usually beneath 15ppm, I don't accept issues with Ammonia or Nitrites of any affair else.