BAD SELLER ALERT: CORALS PLUS

[Susan]

Just wanted to pass along a very, very bad internet company to deal with.
To make a long story shorter I had ordered over $160.00 worth of livestock
and a light from coralsplus.com. After numerous phone calls to this place
and numerous messages left I finally get an okay that the order is ready to
ship except two items. I received an order that was horrible!!! Some of the
crabs I ordered were just shells, the "ELECTRIC" scallop I ordered was a
plain scallop, the 2 electric crabs I ordered were 2 cheap red leg crabs
instead, the neon blue goby I ordered was a engineer goby. All much cheaper
subsitutes. The coral I ordered was completely rotted!! Nothing even left of
it. Not to mention over $100.00 of things I didn't receive and was charged
for. I placed this order several weeks ago. I have made numerous phone
calls and when I finally get this older lady on the phone she tells me he
has my message and will have Brian (Owner is Brian Dowling) return my call
today. I've been told this same thing several times. Also, I get no return
on emails. After looking into the BBB online I find this company has had
many unresolved complaints and appears to be unreputable :( I just didn't
want anyone else to make the same stupid mistake I did. The old saying is
you live and learn!! Anyways, I'm pursing action through the credit card
company, Better Business Burea and IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center).
IC3 which is in partnership with the FBI appears to investigate the
complaint and send the info to the appropiate law officials. Again, just
wanted to pass along this info so someone else doesn't do the same dumb
thing I did. Sorry for the long letter :)

Susan :)

[George Patterson]

Susan wrote:
> Sorry for the long letter :)

No need for you to be. Thanks for all the trouble you're taking. Many people
would just write off the loss and not even bother to warn anyone else.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

[Wayne Sallee]

That's the nice thing about the internet, is that
when a company is bad, you can report them on the
internet, and then when you are looking at buying
from a company, you can search the internet to see
what other people are saying about them.

I would recommend that you immediately charge your
cc back on the grounds that they did not ship to you
the things that you ordered, and that the few things
that they did ship were not what you ordered, and
were of poor quality, and that they have not made
any attempt to fix the situation.

Wayne Sallee



Susan wrote on 1/16/2008 9:01 PM:
> Just wanted to pass along a very, very bad internet company to deal with.
> To make a long story shorter I had ordered over $160.00 worth of livestock
> and a light from coralsplus.com. After numerous phone calls to this place
> and numerous messages left I finally get an okay that the order is ready to
> ship except two items. I received an order that was horrible!!! Some of the
> crabs I ordered were just shells, the "ELECTRIC" scallop I ordered was a
> plain scallop, the 2 electric crabs I ordered were 2 cheap red leg crabs
> instead, the neon blue goby I ordered was a engineer goby. All much cheaper
> subsitutes. The coral I ordered was completely rotted!! Nothing even left of
> it. Not to mention over $100.00 of things I didn't receive and was charged
> for. I placed this order several weeks ago. I have made numerous phone
> calls and when I finally get this older lady on the phone she tells me he
> has my message and will have Brian (Owner is Brian Dowling) return my call
> today. I've been told this same thing several times. Also, I get no return
> on emails. After looking into the BBB online I find this company has had
> many unresolved complaints and appears to be unreputable :( I just didn't
> want anyone else to make the same stupid mistake I did. The old saying is
> you live and learn!! Anyways, I'm pursing action through the credit card
> company, Better Business Burea and IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center).
> IC3 which is in partnership with the FBI appears to investigate the
> complaint and send the info to the appropiate law officials. Again, just
> wanted to pass along this info so someone else doesn't do the same dumb
> thing I did. Sorry for the long letter :)
>
> Susan :)
>
>

[Susan]

Thanks guys. I've already started the process of doing a charge back. I
used a credit card/debit so I'm not sure if the process is all the same as
using a plain credit card. I feel like those people on television you see
that get "swindled" out of money and your thinking wow I wouldn't let that
happen to me. Just wish I would have done a BBB check on him before hand.

Susan :)
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> That's the nice thing about the internet, is that when a company is bad,
> you can report them on the internet, and then when you are looking at
> buying from a company, you can search the internet to see what other
> people are saying about them.
>
> I would recommend that you immediately charge your cc back on the grounds
> that they did not ship to you the things that you ordered, and that the
> few things that they did ship were not what you ordered, and were of poor
> quality, and that they have not made any attempt to fix the situation.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> Susan wrote on 1/16/2008 9:01 PM:
>> Just wanted to pass along a very, very bad internet company to deal with.
>> To make a long story shorter I had ordered over $160.00 worth of
>> livestock and a light from coralsplus.com. After numerous phone calls to
>> this place and numerous messages left I finally get an okay that the
>> order is ready to ship except two items. I received an order that was
>> horrible!!! Some of the crabs I ordered were just shells, the "ELECTRIC"
>> scallop I ordered was a plain scallop, the 2 electric crabs I ordered
>> were 2 cheap red leg crabs instead, the neon blue goby I ordered was a
>> engineer goby. All much cheaper subsitutes. The coral I ordered was
>> completely rotted!! Nothing even left of it. Not to mention over $100.00
>> of things I didn't receive and was charged for. I placed this order
>> several weeks ago. I have made numerous phone calls and when I finally
>> get this older lady on the phone she tells me he has my message and will
>> have Brian (Owner is Brian Dowling) return my call today. I've been told
>> this same thing several times. Also, I get no return on emails. After
>> looking into the BBB online I find this company has had many unresolved
>> complaints and appears to be unreputable :( I just didn't want anyone
>> else to make the same stupid mistake I did. The old saying is you live
>> and learn!! Anyways, I'm pursing action through the credit card company,
>> Better Business Burea and IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center). IC3
>> which is in partnership with the FBI appears to investigate the complaint
>> and send the info to the appropiate law officials. Again, just wanted to
>> pass along this info so someone else doesn't do the same dumb thing I
>> did. Sorry for the long letter :)
>>
>> Susan :)

[Moira]

On Jan 17, 11:53*am, "Susan" > wrote:
> Thanks guys. *I've already started the process of doing a charge back. *I
> used a credit card/debit so I'm not sure if the process is all the same as
> using a plain credit card. *I feel like those people on television you see
> that get "swindled" out of money and your thinking wow I wouldn't let that
> happen to me. *Just wish I would have done a BBB check on him before hand.
>
> Susan :)"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > That's the nice thing about the internet, is that when a company is bad,
> > you can report them on the internet, and then when you are looking at
> > buying from a company, you can search the internet to see what other
> > people are saying about them.
>
> > I would recommend that you immediately charge your cc back on the grounds
> > that they did not ship to you the things that you ordered, and that the
> > few things that they did ship were not what you ordered, and were of poor
> > quality, and that they have not made any attempt to fix the situation.
>
> > Wayne Sallee
> >
>
> > Susan wrote on 1/16/2008 9:01 PM:
> >> Just wanted to pass along a very, very bad internet company to deal with.
> >> To make a long story shorter I had ordered over $160.00 worth of
> >> livestock and a light from coralsplus.com. *After numerous phone calls to
> >> this place and numerous messages left I finally get an okay that the
> >> order is ready to ship except two items. *I received an order that was
> >> horrible!!! Some of the crabs I ordered were just shells, the "ELECTRIC"
> >> scallop I ordered was a plain scallop, the 2 electric crabs I ordered
> >> were 2 cheap red leg crabs instead, the neon blue goby I ordered was a
> >> engineer goby. *All much cheaper subsitutes. The coral I ordered was
> >> completely rotted!! Nothing even left of it. Not to mention over $100.00
> >> of things I didn't receive and was charged for. I placed this order
> >> several weeks ago. *I have made numerous phone calls and when I finally
> >> get this older lady on the phone she tells me he has my message and will
> >> have Brian (Owner is Brian Dowling) return my call today. *I've been told
> >> this same thing several times. *Also, I get no return on emails. After
> >> looking into the BBB online I find this company has had many unresolved
> >> complaints and appears to be unreputable :( *I just didn't want anyone
> >> else to make the same stupid mistake I did. *The old saying is you live
> >> and learn!! Anyways, I'm pursing action through the credit card company,
> >> Better Business Burea and IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center). IC3
> >> which is in partnership with the FBI appears to investigate the complaint
> >> and send the info to the appropiate law officials. *Again, just wanted to
> >> pass along this info so someone else doesn't do the same dumb thing I
> >> did. Sorry for the long letter :)
>
> >> Susan :)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Who is this KurtG and why does he have to use this really bad
language. I have not visited this site for a long time and this is
one of the reasons. The other reason is often the subject appears to
be some personal stuff that only a few people are chatting
about....like wow - I'm going on vacation,,,see ya later susan, tom,
bob etc...Is it really necessary to throw all that "do you swallow or
spit" into what appears to be a nice discussion about a company that
maybe we should watch out for....

[Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)[_2_]]

Moira wrote:
> On Jan 17, 11:53 am, "Susan" > wrote:
>> Thanks guys. I've already started the process of doing a charge back. I
>> used a credit card/debit so I'm not sure if the process is all the same as
>> using a plain credit card. I feel like those people on television you see
>> that get "swindled" out of money and your thinking wow I wouldn't let that
>> happen to me. Just wish I would have done a BBB check on him before hand.
>>
>> Susan :)"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>> That's the nice thing about the internet, is that when a company is bad,
>>> you can report them on the internet, and then when you are looking at
>>> buying from a company, you can search the internet to see what other
>>> people are saying about them.
>>> I would recommend that you immediately charge your cc back on the grounds
>>> that they did not ship to you the things that you ordered, and that the
>>> few things that they did ship were not what you ordered, and were of poor
>>> quality, and that they have not made any attempt to fix the situation.
>>> Wayne Sallee
>>>
>>> Susan wrote on 1/16/2008 9:01 PM:
>>>> Just wanted to pass along a very, very bad internet company to deal with.
>>>> To make a long story shorter I had ordered over $160.00 worth of
>>>> livestock and a light from coralsplus.com. After numerous phone calls to
>>>> this place and numerous messages left I finally get an okay that the
>>>> order is ready to ship except two items. I received an order that was
>>>> horrible!!! Some of the crabs I ordered were just shells, the "ELECTRIC"
>>>> scallop I ordered was a plain scallop, the 2 electric crabs I ordered
>>>> were 2 cheap red leg crabs instead, the neon blue goby I ordered was a
>>>> engineer goby. All much cheaper subsitutes. The coral I ordered was
>>>> completely rotted!! Nothing even left of it. Not to mention over $100.00
>>>> of things I didn't receive and was charged for. I placed this order
>>>> several weeks ago. I have made numerous phone calls and when I finally
>>>> get this older lady on the phone she tells me he has my message and will
>>>> have Brian (Owner is Brian Dowling) return my call today. I've been told
>>>> this same thing several times. Also, I get no return on emails. After
>>>> looking into the BBB online I find this company has had many unresolved
>>>> complaints and appears to be unreputable :( I just didn't want anyone
>>>> else to make the same stupid mistake I did. The old saying is you live
>>>> and learn!! Anyways, I'm pursing action through the credit card company,
>>>> Better Business Burea and IC3 (Internet Crime Complaint Center). IC3
>>>> which is in partnership with the FBI appears to investigate the complaint
>>>> and send the info to the appropiate law officials. Again, just wanted to
>>>> pass along this info so someone else doesn't do the same dumb thing I
>>>> did. Sorry for the long letter :)
>>>> Susan :)- Hide quoted text -
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Who is this KurtG and why does he have to use this really bad
> language. I have not visited this site for a long time and this is
> one of the reasons. The other reason is often the subject appears to
> be some personal stuff that only a few people are chatting
> about....like wow - I'm going on vacation,,,see ya later susan, tom,
> bob etc...Is it really necessary to throw all that "do you swallow or
> spit" into what appears to be a nice discussion about a company that
> maybe we should watch out for....
Moira,
Be sure to look at email addresses - most of the foul language posts are
by our resident trolls, spoofing our nicknames.

--
Big Habeeb (a.k.a. Mitch)
I love woot.com and techbargains.com

[George Patterson]

Moira wrote:

> Who is this KurtG and why does he have to use this really bad
> language.

The real KurtG is Kurt Gueunther, and he does not use foul language in this
forum. There's an idiot posting to this group who changes his "From" address to
impersonate other posters. That's the author of that post. Checking the full
header will allow you to tell which posts are genuine.

If you're using Mozilla, some of us can help you set up filters to screen this
clown out.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

[KurtG[_3_]]

Moira wrote:
> Who is this KurtG and why does he have to use this really bad
> language.

That's just our friendly troll. Just filter them out and create a white
list.

There are some moderated forums around. I'm on
http://www.reefcentral.org/ as well.

--Kurt

[KurtG[_3_]]

George Patterson wrote:
> The real KurtG is Kurt Gueunther, and he does not use foul language in
> this forum.

Thanks for the assist George. Good weekend but I woke up to -25 degree
weather on Sunday. There is a reason that I'm in Florida.

--Kurt

[Wayne Sallee]

And today is going to be a really nice day in
Florida, and tomorrow even nicer.

Wayne Sallee



KurtG wrote on 1/22/2008 9:35 AM:
> George Patterson wrote:
>> The real KurtG is Kurt Gueunther, and he does not use foul language in
>> this forum.
>
> Thanks for the assist George. Good weekend but I woke up to -25 degree
> weather on Sunday. There is a reason that I'm in Florida.
>
> --Kurt

[Moira]

On Jan 22, 7:50*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> And today is going to be a really nice day in
> Florida, and tomorrow even nicer.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> KurtG wrote on 1/22/2008 9:35 AM:
>
>
>
> > George Patterson wrote:
> >> The real KurtG is Kurt Gueunther, and he does not use foul language in
> >> this forum.
>
> > Thanks for the assist George. *Good weekend but I woke up to -25 degree
> > weather on Sunday. *There is a reason that I'm in Florida.
>
> > --Kurt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

THanks for all your input..Perhaps I'll visit more often and just
ignore the trolls. I had always thought that if you used really bad
language etc..you get booted off the site...but perhaps that only
happens on my childrens' sites they visit.

[Susan]

Can't wait to get away from the below zero wind chill and head to Florida
next month for a short vacation!!

Susan :)
"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> And today is going to be a really nice day in Florida, and tomorrow even
> nicer.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> KurtG wrote on 1/22/2008 9:35 AM:
>> George Patterson wrote:
>>> The real KurtG is Kurt Gueunther, and he does not use foul language in
>>> this forum.
>>
>> Thanks for the assist George. Good weekend but I woke up to -25 degree
>> weather on Sunday. There is a reason that I'm in Florida.
>>
>> --Kurt

[KurtG[_3_]]

Moira wrote:
> THanks for all your input..Perhaps I'll visit more often and just
> ignore the trolls. I had always thought that if you used really bad
> language etc..you get booted off the site...but perhaps that only
> happens on my childrens' sites they visit.

Usenet isn't moderated, and it takes a lot to get booted and even then
it's easy to change aliases and come right back.

--Kurt

[Wayne Sallee]

You will find this newsgroup to be much more useful
if you use a newsgroup reader. Most e-mail software
will work also as newsgroup readers. With a
newsgroup reader, you can filter out the trash posts.

And the newsgroups are easier reading in a newsgroup
reader.

Wayne Sallee



Moira wrote on 1/22/2008 11:38 AM:
> THanks for all your input..Perhaps I'll visit more often and just
> ignore the trolls. I had always thought that if you used really bad
> language etc..you get booted off the site...but perhaps that only
> happens on my childrens' sites they visit.

[KurtG[_3_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> You will find this newsgroup to be much more useful if you use a
> newsgroup reader. Most e-mail software will work also as newsgroup
> readers. With a newsgroup reader, you can filter out the trash posts.


I use this one:
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/thunderbird/

Outlook is a little anemic when it comes to filters.

--Kurt

[George Patterson]

KurtG wrote:

> That's just our friendly troll.

Friendly? You & I have different dictionaries.

George Patterson
Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

George Patterson wrote:
> KurtG wrote:
>
>> That's just our friendly troll.
>
> Friendly? You & I have different dictionaries.
>
> George Patterson
> Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.

I guess I am the only one in here that he, Tristan doesn't mess with.
Why you ask? I took the high road; I said I wasn't going to call him
names, he replied to me as Long as I kept my word, he would keep his and
not trash any of my posts and he's been a man of his word. Perhaps more
of you should take the same pledge as I did and the Bovine fecal matter
will stop.

[KurtG[_3_]]

George Patterson wrote:
> KurtG wrote:
>
>> That's just our friendly troll.
>
> Friendly? You & I have different dictionaries.
>

Sticks and stones, my friend.

[Wayne Sallee]

Hehehehe

I've never known Roy to be a man of his word.

Wayne Sallee



Peter Pan wrote on 1/23/2008 12:19 AM:
> George Patterson wrote:
>> KurtG wrote:
>>
>>> That's just our friendly troll.
>>
>> Friendly? You & I have different dictionaries.
>>
>> George Patterson
>> Worry doesn't improve the future; it just ruins the present.
>
> I guess I am the only one in here that he, Tristan doesn't mess with.
> Why you ask? I took the high road; I said I wasn't going to call him
> names, he replied to me as Long as I kept my word, he would keep his and
> not trash any of my posts and he's been a man of his word. Perhaps more
> of you should take the same pledge as I did and the Bovine fecal matter
> will stop.

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Hehehehe
>
> I've never known Roy to be a man of his word.

Well he gave me his word and he's kept to it, I really can't ask for
more then that.

[KurtG[_3_]]

The man of his word is no more. ;-)

--Kurt




Peter Pan wrote:
> the
> choice of such a life. They are either slaves trained for or sold into
> shame, or women temporarily held for debt by a sort of mortgage. To
> this Chinese system of prostitution, however, there was soon applied
> at Hong Kong a Government system of regulation or license under
> surveillance. This modified the system, intensified the slavery, and
> was the cause of reducing many women from the respectable ranks
> of Chinese life at once and arbitrarily to the lowest depths of
> degradation, as we shall explain and demonstrate in subsequent
> chapters.
>
> The native woman, rented for a monthly stipend from her owners was
> called "protected" at Hong Kong. What charm this word "protection,"
> and the title "Protector" has held for certain persons, as applied
> to the male sex! "Man, the natural protector of woman." Forsooth, to
> protect her from what? Rattlesnakes, buffalo, lions, wildcats no more
> overrun the country, and why is this relation of "protector" still
> claimed? Why, to protect woman from rudeness, and insult and sometimes
> even worse. But from whence comes that danger of rudeness and insult
> or worse from which man is to protect woman? From man, of course.
> Man is, then, woman's natural protector to protect her from man, her
> natural protector. He is to set himself the task of defending her
> from his injury of her, and he is charmed with the avocation. He will
> protect her as Abraham protected Sarah when he took her into Egypt.
> "Do so-and-so," said Abraham to Sar
>
>

[Wayne Sallee]

Yep it should be obvious to anyone that Roy is not a
man of his word.

Wayne Sallee



KurtG wrote on 1/23/2008 9:36 PM:
> The man of his word is no more. ;-)
>
> --Kurt
>
>
>
>
> Peter Pan wrote:
>> the
>> choice of such a life. They are either slaves trained for or sold into
>> shame, or women temporarily held for debt by a sort of mortgage. To
>> this Chinese system of prostitution, however, there was soon applied
>> at Hong Kong a Government system of regulation or license under
>> surveillance. This modified the system, intensified the slavery, and
>> was the cause of reducing many women from the respectable ranks
>> of Chinese life at once and arbitrarily to the lowest depths of
>> degradation, as we shall explain and demonstrate in subsequent
>> chapters.
>>
>> The native woman, rented for a monthly stipend from her owners was
>> called "protected" at Hong Kong. What charm this word "protection,"
>> and the title "Protector" has held for certain persons, as applied
>> to the male sex! "Man, the natural protector of woman." Forsooth, to
>> protect her from what? Rattlesnakes, buffalo, lions, wildcats no more
>> overrun the country, and why is this relation of "protector" still
>> claimed? Why, to protect woman from rudeness, and insult and sometimes
>> even worse. But from whence comes that danger of rudeness and insult
>> or worse from which man is to protect woman? From man, of course.
>> Man is, then, woman's natural protector to protect her from man, her
>> natural protector. He is to set himself the task of defending her
>> from his injury of her, and he is charmed with the avocation. He will
>> protect her as Abraham protected Sarah when he took her into Egypt.
>> "Do so-and-so," said Abraham to Sar
>>
>>

[George Patterson[_5_]]

On Jan 24, 9:09*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> Yep it should be obvious to anyone that Roy is not a
> man of his word.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> KurtG wrote on 1/23/2008 9:36 PM:
>
>
>
> > The man of his word is no more. *;-)
>
> > --Kurt
>
> > Peter Pan wrote:
> >> the
> >> choice of such a life. They are either slaves trained for or sold into
> >> shame, or women temporarily held for debt by a sort of mortgage. To
> >> this Chinese system of prostitution, however, there was soon applied
> >> at Hong Kong a Government system of regulation or license under
> >> surveillance. This modified the system, intensified the slavery, and
> >> was the cause of reducing many women from the respectable ranks
> >> of Chinese life at once and arbitrarily to the lowest depths of
> >> degradation, as we shall explain and demonstrate in subsequent
> >> chapters.
>
> >> The native woman, rented for a monthly stipend from her owners was
> >> called "protected" at Hong Kong. What charm this word "protection,"
> >> and the title "Protector" has held for certain persons, as applied
> >> to the male sex! "Man, the natural protector of woman." Forsooth, to
> >> protect her from what? Rattlesnakes, buffalo, lions, wildcats no more
> >> overrun the country, and why is this relation of "protector" still
> >> claimed? Why, to protect woman from rudeness, and insult and sometimes
> >> even worse. But from whence comes that danger of rudeness and insult
> >> or worse from which man is to protect woman? From man, of course.
> >> Man is, then, woman's natural protector to protect her from man, her
> >> natural protector. He is to set himself the task of defending her
> >> from his injury of her, and he is charmed with the avocation. He will
> >> protect her as Abraham protected Sarah when he took her into Egypt.
> >> "Do so-and-so," said Abraham to Sar- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

And I suppose you think I have it in my powers to create these floods
just for you huh Wayne...........Your really dumber than I had given
you credit for.................and that is pretty ****ing
dumb..................Wayne Sallee nothing but an asswipe dick licking
holy roller without a ****ing clue who is wrapped up in his own demi
god status and his wifes panties! So tell us Wayne, do yuou swallow,
spit or gargle when you suck off KurtG? Do you wear a blue dress like
the other world famous cocksucker Monica or do you justy let it
dribble on your chin?

[George Patterson[_5_]]

On Jan 24, 9:09*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> Yep it should be obvious to anyone that Roy is not a
> man of his word.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> KurtG wrote on 1/23/2008 9:36 PM:
>
>
>
> > The man of his word is no more. *;-)
>
> > --Kurt
>
> > Peter Pan wrote:
> >> the
> >> choice of such a life. They are either slaves trained for or sold into
> >> shame, or women temporarily held for debt by a sort of mortgage. To
> >> this Chinese system of prostitution, however, there was soon applied
> >> at Hong Kong a Government system of regulation or license under
> >> surveillance. This modified the system, intensified the slavery, and
> >> was the cause of reducing many women from the respectable ranks
> >> of Chinese life at once and arbitrarily to the lowest depths of
> >> degradation, as we shall explain and demonstrate in subsequent
> >> chapters.
>
> >> The native woman, rented for a monthly stipend from her owners was
> >> called "protected" at Hong Kong. What charm this word "protection,"
> >> and the title "Protector" has held for certain persons, as applied
> >> to the male sex! "Man, the natural protector of woman." Forsooth, to
> >> protect her from what? Rattlesnakes, buffalo, lions, wildcats no more
> >> overrun the country, and why is this relation of "protector" still
> >> claimed? Why, to protect woman from rudeness, and insult and sometimes
> >> even worse. But from whence comes that danger of rudeness and insult
> >> or worse from which man is to protect woman? From man, of course.
> >> Man is, then, woman's natural protector to protect her from man, her
> >> natural protector. He is to set himself the task of defending her
> >> from his injury of her, and he is charmed with the avocation. He will
> >> protect her as Abraham protected Sarah when he took her into Egypt.
> >> "Do so-and-so," said Abraham to Sar- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

He failed miserably selling live pets and even dead pets so now he
started a new business.KNOB JOBS to go staring Wayne Sallee the holy
roller religious freak..........My posts reallay get to you huh Wayne
baby.....you so cute in those panties of your wifes..........I bet
you drive KurtG crazy!

[Wayne Sallee]

Here is the information that I have on the troll so
far, if anyone has any further info, let me know.

Wayne Sallee


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Roy Tristan Hauer



Lives in Alabama either NE Alabama, or SC Alabama.
might live in Tyson Al
might live in Hope Hull Al

Probably in Lowndesboro to Montgomery area.

Hauer, Roy W
7527 County Rd 26
Hope Hull, Alabama 36043
334-281-7217

Here is the general area where I think he lives:
start up google earth, and enter the following gps
location:
32°11'13.66"N
86°27'9.71"W

Originally from Schukyll, PA

Made a metal item with initials T J H.


Once went to a 1 day reef club event in Atlanta.
Is married, probably no kids at home, and is retired.
His kids probably don’t want anything to do with him.
Has a friend that makes a trip to the gulf every
weekend.
Has a Petco store near by.
Has some other aquarium store 50 miles away.
Went to military school.
He is retired.
His house has 3 bedrooms, 3 bathrooms, tiny utility
room, dining room, living
room, kitchen, And a barn, gazebo. Whisky barrel
water gardens, 220 gallon
preform pond, and large natural ponds full of koi
and goldfish.

Roy’s wife loves to breed dogs.

Used screen name “Chipmaker” and “Frugal Machinist” in
rec.cracfts.metalworking
“Chipmaker” is a very popular screen name of his.

Used to have a website www.frugalmachinist.com
It is being hosted at
http://web.archive.org/web/20050309020622/www.frugalmachinist.com/
while
Roy tries to hide his identity.

used e-mail address , and

,

had aol before mindspring
mindspring was purchased by earthlink

Roy Hauer aka Chipmaker
Tyson, Alabama

Most anything dealing with the metal working trades
and build-it yourself
machinery.


Born November 7, 1949
Joined the army right out of high school.
Discharged from USAF on medical grounds.
On a disability pension.




Also used Foxeye for a screen name back 200 and
before, even back as far as
1997


**************
Foxeye I sent you email a while back (a reply) about
metalworking in the
montgomery Area and never got a reply Did you get it?
Just incase i didnt have the right email address or
somthing thought i
woudl try it this way. Any other metalworkers in the
Montgomery AL area
feal free to respond also,
Lee
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proves to have been creating by
going to
http://members.aol.com/chipmaker/
as well as
the chipmkr one probably had a web site on it, as
the readme file has been
deleted.


Internet Provider:
Level 3 Communications, Inc.
1025 Eldorado Boulevard
Broomfield, Colorado 80021
720-888-1000

level3.com

4.255.241.75 Dial1.Atlanta1.Level3.net

[KurtG[_6_]]

On Jan 24, 11:29*pm, Fred Hall > wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:20:19 -0800 (PST), George Patterson
>
>
>
>
>
> > wrote:
> >On Jan 24, 9:09*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> >> Yep it should be obvious to anyone that Roy is not a
> >> man of his word.
>
> >> Wayne Sallee
> >>
>
> >> KurtG wrote on 1/23/2008 9:36 PM:
>
> >> > The man of his word is no more. *;-)
>
> >> > --Kurt
>
> >> > Peter Pan wrote:
> >> >> the
> >> >> choice of such a life. They are either slaves trained for or sold into
> >> >> shame, or women temporarily held for debt by a sort of mortgage. To
> >> >> this Chinese system of prostitution, however, there was soon applied
> >> >> at Hong Kong a Government system of regulation or license under
> >> >> surveillance. This modified the system, intensified the slavery, and
> >> >> was the cause of reducing many women from the respectable ranks
> >> >> of Chinese life at once and arbitrarily to the lowest depths of
> >> >> degradation, as we shall explain and demonstrate in subsequent
> >> >> chapters.
>
> >> >> The native woman, rented for a monthly stipend from her owners was
> >> >> called "protected" at Hong Kong. What charm this word "protection,"
> >> >> and the title "Protector" has held for certain persons, as applied
> >> >> to the male sex! "Man, the natural protector of woman." Forsooth, to
> >> >> protect her from what? Rattlesnakes, buffalo, lions, wildcats no more
> >> >> overrun the country, and why is this relation of "protector" still
> >> >> claimed? Why, to protect woman from rudeness, and insult and sometimes
> >> >> even worse. But from whence comes that danger of rudeness and insult
> >> >> or worse from which man is to protect woman? From man, of course.
> >> >> Man is, then, woman's natural protector to protect her from man, her
> >> >> natural protector. He is to set himself the task of defending her
> >> >> from his injury of her, and he is charmed with the avocation. He will
> >> >> protect her as Abraham protected Sarah when he took her into Egypt.
> >> >> "Do so-and-so," said Abraham to Sar- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> >And I suppose you think I have it in my powers to create these floods
> >just for *you huh Wayne...........Your really dumber than I had given
> >you credit for.................and that is pretty ****ing
> >dumb..................Wayne Sallee nothing but an asswipe dick licking
> >holy roller without a ****ing clue who is wrapped up in his own demi
> >god status and his wifes panties! *So tell us Wayne, do yuou swallow,
> >spit or gargle when you suck off KurtG? Do you wear a blue dress like
> >the other world famous cocksucker Monica *or do you justy let it
> >dribble on your chin?
>
> ****ing hell, Roy, are you reduced to posting through Go0gle?
>
> --
>
> Lits Slut#10
> Usenet Ruiner #3
> Top Asshole On The Net #2
> Most Hated Usenetizen of all time #2
> Hammer of Thor - August 2005
> Barbara Woodhouse Memorial Dog Whistle, Trainer of Steve 'BowTurd' Young
> COOSN-075-07-81342
> Brainwashed Follower of Art Deco #1- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -

Naw Fred, I post through real news servers, but google is just fine
for the assholes in these aquaria groups like Wayne and his suck
buddies? They have yet to find my other posts, (too stupid) and have
no clue.hahahahahaha, as they get so upset over things like "who" it
is making the post.............yet get along perfectly fine with
another NYM used by the same person.............I love it! Old Wayne
would have a **** fit if he really knew!..Being on USENET and
"trolling" is a lot like being an actor.............neat playing
multiple roles and watch how it fires up buttholes like Wayne, and
some others..............

Hoows the fishing Fred........this year was terrible in this
region................was not woprth the time expended for what we got
opther than to get outside. But myt long time friend and fishing
buddy up and died on my...........He was feeling sick and run down,
went to the docs, and was informed get his affairs in order as he had
cancer and perhaps if lucky 6 months of so to live. He made it to 4
months. He just bought a brand new boat too, 225hp Yamaha
powered...........ran like a bat out of hell..........So is life!

[John \C\]

"KurtG" > wrote in message

Hoows the fishing Fred........this year was terrible in this
region................was not woprth the time expended for what we got
opther than to get outside. But myt long time friend and fishing
buddy up and died on my...........He was feeling sick and run down,
went to the docs, and was informed get his affairs in order as he had
cancer and perhaps if lucky 6 months of so to live. He made it to 4
months.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately Old Fred is in the same "boat"!

Number One

[Moira]

On Jan 23, 4:24*pm, KurtG > wrote:
> But _from 80 to 90 per cent of all these
> * * prostitutes in Hong Kong were brought into these brothels by
> * * purchase, as is well known to everybody_. If buying and selling is
> * * a matter of a criminal character, the proper thing would be, first
> * * of all, to abolish this evil (brothel slavery). But how comes
> * * it that since the first establishment of the Colony down to the
> * * present day the same old practice prevails in these licensed
> * * brothels, and has never been forbidden or abolished?"
>
> This was a center shot, and calculated to weaken the hands of at
> least the guilty officials. What could they say? Were the officials
> prepared, since the report of the Commission a few months before had
> made public the scandals connected with the licensing and inspection
> of brothels, to set about reforming the abuses by radical measures?
> Certainly the Chief Justice was. He did everything in his power to
> abolish slavery _as slavery_, not simply to abolish slavery when
> unconnected with brothels. But subsequent history seems to indicate
> that, from this point on, the British officials were ready to
> compromise with the Chinese merchants, and the testimony from this
> time forward was well-nigh universal in Hong Kong circles that
> domestic slavery, or "domestic servitude," as Dr. Eitel recommended
> that it should be called instead (since a weed by another name
> may help the imagination to think it a rose), was very "mild" and
> "harmless," and that the adoption of purchased boys was a "religious"
> duty

Ok now it's happened to me and I just started to return to this whole
Alt - site...It shows a message with my name on it - that I just know
I did not write.
I am going to look at this again...perhaps I have the wrong part of
the tree....

[Wayne Sallee]

Yea, we know that you did not write it.
We have been dealing with this troll for a long time.

Wayne Sallee



Moira wrote on 1/25/2008 4:30 PM:
> On Jan 23, 4:24 pm, KurtG > wrote:
>> But _from 80 to 90 per cent of all these
>> prostitutes in Hong Kong were brought into these brothels by
>> purchase, as is well known to everybody_. If buying and selling is
>> a matter of a criminal character, the proper thing would be, first
>> of all, to abolish this evil (brothel slavery). But how comes
>> it that since the first establishment of the Colony down to the
>> present day the same old practice prevails in these licensed
>> brothels, and has never been forbidden or abolished?"
>>
>> This was a center shot, and calculated to weaken the hands of at
>> least the guilty officials. What could they say? Were the officials
>> prepared, since the report of the Commission a few months before had
>> made public the scandals connected with the licensing and inspection
>> of brothels, to set about reforming the abuses by radical measures?
>> Certainly the Chief Justice was. He did everything in his power to
>> abolish slavery _as slavery_, not simply to abolish slavery when
>> unconnected with brothels. But subsequent history seems to indicate
>> that, from this point on, the British officials were ready to
>> compromise with the Chinese merchants, and the testimony from this
>> time forward was well-nigh universal in Hong Kong circles that
>> domestic slavery, or "domestic servitude," as Dr. Eitel recommended
>> that it should be called instead (since a weed by another name
>> may help the imagination to think it a rose), was very "mild" and
>> "harmless," and that the adoption of purchased boys was a "religious"
>> duty
>
> Ok now it's happened to me and I just started to return to this whole
> Alt - site...It shows a message with my name on it - that I just know
> I did not write.
> I am going to look at this again...perhaps I have the wrong part of
> the tree....