Titanium Chicken Wire

[KurtG[_3_]]

My gray angel is harassing my claims. I had them attached, growing, and
about as happy as a clam can be, but now they are on their sides in the
sand.

I know they can't continue that way, so what to do? I guess I just need
to move the clams or the angel. Or, use titanium chicken wire to keep
the angel away from the clams. Any other ideas?

Crud, I don't have another tank set up. I guess I'll need to get a move
on. I have a 29 gallon which would be easiest. And, I have a 220g
which could probably host both of my angels which I want to do in the
long run to see if I can mate them.

--Kurt

[Wayne Sallee]

Interesting. I did not know there was titanium
chicken wire.

I think the best thing would be to take the angel
out, unless you like the looks of chicken wire in
your tank.

One other option would be to create a natural
division that would keep the angel on one side of
the tank. But then that would reduce space for for
the angel to live. If the tank was big enough that
would be fine.


Wayne Sallee



KurtG wrote on 1/31/2008 6:25 PM:
> My gray angel is harassing my claims. I had them attached, growing, and
> about as happy as a clam can be, but now they are on their sides in the
> sand.
>
> I know they can't continue that way, so what to do? I guess I just need
> to move the clams or the angel. Or, use titanium chicken wire to keep
> the angel away from the clams. Any other ideas?
>
> Crud, I don't have another tank set up. I guess I'll need to get a move
> on. I have a 29 gallon which would be easiest. And, I have a 220g
> which could probably host both of my angels which I want to do in the
> long run to see if I can mate them.
>
> --Kurt

[KurtG[_3_]]

Wayne Sallee wrote:
> Interesting. I did not know there was titanium chicken wire.

I'm not sure either, but I was joking about it. A barrier would work.

--Kurt

[Wayne Sallee]

Also, in case someone does not know, you can use
aluminum in salt water, and it won't corrode, as
long as you keep it under water.

Wayne Sallee



KurtG wrote on 1/31/2008 7:11 PM:
> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>> Interesting. I did not know there was titanium chicken wire.
>
> I'm not sure either, but I was joking about it. A barrier would work.
>
> --Kurt

[charlie]

you can get Ti wire. a cheap source of Ti is bicycle spokes, but make sure
they are solid Ti. you'd need to ask for them at a bike repair shop, for
example.

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
...
> Also, in case someone does not know, you can use aluminum in salt water,
> and it won't corrode, as long as you keep it under water.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
>
> KurtG wrote on 1/31/2008 7:11 PM:
>> Wayne Sallee wrote:
>>> Interesting. I did not know there was titanium chicken wire.
>>
>> I'm not sure either, but I was joking about it. A barrier would work.
>>
>> --Kurt

[Pszemol]

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message ...
> Also, in case someone does not know, you can use
> aluminum in salt water, and it won't corrode, as
> long as you keep it under water.

Does not dissolve, even slowly?

[Wayne Sallee]

After about 2 years of use, I can't see any
deterioration.

When it is left outside the water and salt crystals
form, then serious deterioration occurs. Tough I
have an aluminum rod that is in the sump in a
position that it is in and out of the water, and yet
it has not deteriorated any that I can see. It is
encrusted with coralline algae, and other encrusting
stuff.

Try it with aluminum foil. Stick a piece in your
sump and pull it out, let it sit in your sump, just
outside of the water and let the drops of salt dry.
Give it a few days, and you will see holes in the
aluminum foil. Then stick it back in the water and
leave it submerged. Also at this time ad a fresh
piece of aluminum foil left completely submerged,
and watch what happens. You will see that there will
be no more deterioration.

Wayne Sallee



Pszemol wrote on 2/2/2008 11:02 PM:
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Also, in case someone does not know, you can use aluminum in salt
>> water, and it won't corrode, as long as you keep it under water.
>
> Does not dissolve, even slowly?

[KurtG[_6_]]

On Feb 3, 7:33*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
> After about 2 years of use, I can't see any
> deterioration.
>
> When it is left outside the water and salt crystals
> form, then serious deterioration occurs. Tough I
> have an aluminum rod that is in the sump in a
> position that it is in and out of the water, and yet
> it has not deteriorated any that I can see. It is
> encrusted with coralline algae, and other encrusting
> stuff.
>
> Try it with aluminum foil. Stick a piece in your
> sump and pull it out, let it sit in your sump, just
> outside of the water and let the drops of salt dry.
> Give it a few days, and you will see holes in the
> aluminum foil. Then stick it back in the water and
> leave it submerged. Also at this time ad a fresh
> piece of aluminum foil left completely submerged,
> and watch what happens. You will see that there will
> be no more deterioration.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> Pszemol wrote on 2/2/2008 11:02 PM:
>
>
>
> > "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Also, in case someone does not know, you can use aluminum in salt
> >> water, and it won't corrode, as long as you keep it under water.
>
> > Does not dissolve, even slowly?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Yea ****ing right, like there is on ly one grade of aluminum and most
grades of aluminum that are corrosion resist have alloys of copper as
part of their mix.dumbass assumptions on waynes part again folks.
Aluminum does not belong in water expecially salt water unless its of
the marine grade with copper added which would be 110% contrary to
what is normally follkowed and [preached on about adding any metals
except perhaps stainless in a SW system and even with stainless there
is some alloys which will rust and others that will not. Listen to a
dumbass and use aluminum wire.duh!

[Pszemol]

"Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message ...
> After about 2 years of use, I can't see any
> deterioration.
>
> When it is left outside the water and salt crystals
> form, then serious deterioration occurs. Tough I
> have an aluminum rod that is in the sump in a
> position that it is in and out of the water, and yet
> it has not deteriorated any that I can see. It is
> encrusted with coralline algae, and other encrusting
> stuff.

So even the part which is outside of water did not corrode?

> Try it with aluminum foil. Stick a piece in your
> sump and pull it out, let it sit in your sump, just
> outside of the water and let the drops of salt dry.
> Give it a few days, and you will see holes in the
> aluminum foil. Then stick it back in the water and
> leave it submerged. Also at this time ad a fresh
> piece of aluminum foil left completely submerged,
> and watch what happens. You will see that there will
> be no more deterioration.

Interesting...

Why then reef chiller manufacturers use expensive
and very hard to work with titanium instead of using
cheap and easy to work with aluminium ?

[Wayne Sallee]

They either don't know any different, or they figure
that people will let them be exposed to air and salt.

Wayne Sallee



Pszemol wrote on 2/3/2008 11:49 AM:
> Interesting...
>
> Why then reef chiller manufacturers use expensive
> and very hard to work with titanium instead of using
> cheap and easy to work with aluminium ?

[Wayne Sallee]

For some reason the aluminum rod has not corroded.
It's totally encrusted now, so I would not even know
now if it was or not. It lies horizontal, on top of
my protein skimmer.

I have some aluminum screen rapped in a tube shape
that my ph probe hangs in. The screen is to keep
stuff off of the probe. It remains submerged, but
the top of it is at times exposed to the air. It has
not shown any signs of corrosion, or deterioration.

The aluminum foil was done for experimental
purposes, and was later removed. The aluminum rod
was done purely for experimental purposes, and was
left in. The aluminum screen was done purely for
practical purposes, and is still in use. :-)

Wayne Sallee



Pszemol wrote on 2/3/2008 11:49 AM:
> "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> ...
>> After about 2 years of use, I can't see any deterioration.
>>
>> When it is left outside the water and salt crystals form, then serious
>> deterioration occurs. Tough I have an aluminum rod that is in the sump
>> in a position that it is in and out of the water, and yet it has not
>> deteriorated any that I can see. It is encrusted with coralline algae,
>> and other encrusting stuff.
>
> So even the part which is outside of water did not corrode?
>

[George Patterson[_6_]]

On Feb 3, 9:03*am, KurtG > wrote:
> On Feb 3, 7:33*am, Wayne Sallee > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > After about 2 years of use, I can't see any
> > deterioration.
>
> > When it is left outside the water and salt crystals
> > form, then serious deterioration occurs. Tough I
> > have an aluminum rod that is in the sump in a
> > position that it is in and out of the water, and yet
> > it has not deteriorated any that I can see. It is
> > encrusted with coralline algae, and other encrusting
> > stuff.
>
> > Try it with aluminum foil. Stick a piece in your
> > sump and pull it out, let it sit in your sump, just
> > outside of the water and let the drops of salt dry.
> > Give it a few days, and you will see holes in the
> > aluminum foil. Then stick it back in the water and
> > leave it submerged. Also at this time ad a fresh
> > piece of aluminum foil left completely submerged,
> > and watch what happens. You will see that there will
> > be no more deterioration.
>
> > Wayne Sallee
> >
>
> > Pszemol wrote on 2/2/2008 11:02 PM:
>
> > > "Wayne Sallee" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> Also, in case someone does not know, you can use aluminum in salt
> > >> water, and it won't corrode, as long as you keep it under water.
>
> > > Does not dissolve, even slowly?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Yea ****ing right, like there is on ly one grade of aluminum and most
> grades of aluminum that are corrosion resist have alloys of copper as
> part of their mix.dumbass assumptions on waynes part again folks.
> Aluminum does not belong in water expecially salt water unless its of
> the marine grade with copper added which would be 110% contrary to
> what is normally follkowed and [preached on about adding any metals
> except perhaps stainless in a SW system and even with stainless there
> is some alloys which will rust and others that will not. Listen to a
> dumbass and use aluminum wire.duh!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

With Waynes method of thinking there is on ly one type of aluminum and
Reynolds wrap is entirely different alloy than Alcoa
wrap...........dumbass! So with his way of thinking and elimination
there is only one kind of resistor to..............so what would it be
5% 10% or hell it don;t matter so why do they need different
types.......not according to Wayne.duh!