Re: My Black Moor Died Today ;-(.....Tynk

[L u]

I ran out of aged water last night. So, I used lukewarm water straight
from the tap to do my Gourami's water change. Then I added a
conditioner. Guess I should have done the conditioner first. I have been
using the API Tap Water Conditioner. Is this brand alright? The water is
crystal clear. I'm guessing that gouramis do not generate that much
waste/ammonia?

About using water conditioners: Remember when you said you don't use
aged water, you instead treat the water? And someone posted that they do
the aged water thing because they don't believe in adding chemicals to
the water. I'm wondering if the chemical is bad for the fish.

Is it ok to use AmmoLock AND also a water conditioner together?

[ExPat]

On Mar 15, 11:08*am, (L u) wrote:
> I ran out of aged water last night. So, I used lukewarm water straight
> from the tap to do my Gourami's water change. Then I added a
> conditioner. Guess I should have done the conditioner first. I have been
> using the API Tap Water Conditioner. Is this brand alright? The water is
> crystal clear. I'm guessing that gouramis do not generate that much
> waste/ammonia?
>
> About using water conditioners: Remember when you said you don't use
> aged water, you instead treat the water? And someone posted that they do
> the aged water thing because they don't believe in adding chemicals to
> the water. I'm wondering if the chemical is bad for the fish.
>
> Is it ok to use AmmoLock AND also a water conditioner together?

I believe it wa probbaly me that stated that I do not use any
chemicals of any kind in my tanks, and its been many many years since
I used dechlorinator. I have space anbd areas where I can easily and
cheaply keep aged water or collect good water out of empty tank
setups. I guess chemicals are like anything, too much can possibly
create a problem or maybe not.......its just that I can use aged water
and do so for free so why pay for chemicals. Yes you can use ammo
lock and dechlor together, but if your doing proper water changes
there should not be any toxic junk to lock up and
neuteralize............so therefore there should be no need for ammo
lock.If you ship fish then ammo loc is another story, but in a home
aquarium there really is no need for a lot of the "snake oils" that is
sold to folks as a "must have"

[L u]

Can I ask you how long do you age your water for?

[Alpha]

"L u" > wrote in message
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> Can I ask you how long do you age your water for?
>

Are your tanks cycled? Aging water is nothing compared to cycled water.

[L u]

No they are not cycled.

[ExPat]

On Mar 16, 9:59*am, (L u) wrote:
> No they are not cycled.

Aged water is what is used to provide makeup or water change water out
of. Cycled refers to a tank that has gone though the "cycle" of
ammonia, nitrite and nitrate stages before adding fish.......and at
which point should be capable of supporting at least a light fish
load on initial stocking..as far as biological filtration etxc is
concerned.

[Alpha]

My concern is that none NONE of the water involved in this thread is cycled
at all.

"ExPat" > wrote in message
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On Mar 16, 9:59 am, (L u) wrote:
> No they are not cycled.

Aged water is what is used to provide makeup or water change water out
of. Cycled refers to a tank that has gone though the "cycle" of
ammonia, nitrite and nitrate stages before adding fish.......and at
which point should be capable of supporting at least a light fish
load on initial stocking..as far as biological filtration etxc is
concerned.

[Alpha]

PS

There is cycled water and media available from LFS that know how to seed
tanks.

"Alpha" > wrote in message
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> My concern is that none NONE of the water involved in this thread is
> cycled at all.
>
> "ExPat" > wrote in message
> ...
> On Mar 16, 9:59 am, (L u) wrote:
>> No they are not cycled.
>
> Aged water is what is used to provide makeup or water change water out
> of. Cycled refers to a tank that has gone though the "cycle" of
> ammonia, nitrite and nitrate stages before adding fish.......and at
> which point should be capable of supporting at least a light fish
> load on initial stocking..as far as biological filtration etxc is
> concerned.
>

[ExPat]

On Mar 16, 7:12*pm, "Alpha" > wrote:
> PS
>
> There is cycled water and media available from LFS that know how to seed
> tanks.
>
> "Alpha" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > My concern is that none NONE of the water involved in this thread is
> > cycled at all.
>
> > "ExPat" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Mar 16, 9:59 am, (L u) wrote:
> >> No they are not cycled.
>
> > Aged water is what is used to provide makeup or water change water out
> > of. *Cycled refers to a tank that has gone though the "cycle" of
> > ammonia, nitrite and nitrate stages before adding fish.......and at
> > which point should *be capable of supporting at least a light fish
> > load on initial stocking..as far as biological filtration etxc is
> > concerned.- Hide quoted text -
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The thing is if a tank is setup and cycled artificially it will be
just fine, but a tank that is filled with water one day and chlorine
remover etc added, and a day or two or even a week later fish are
added (goldies espeically) and having said tank equipped with an
undergravel filter........its just a recipie for a
disaster..........It takes time for a tank to mature (cycle) and get
populated with good bacteria which is essential in handling the bio
load and also having a filter with biological filtration capability
such as a cannister or hang on back type, or like I said, odds are its
doomed to fail..............Not only with sal****er but also
freswhwater setups it pays to go slow and easy and do not rush or get
lulled into buying fish just because their colors attracted you or
they have a special sale on them., There is going to be more fish for
sale and trust me.they will never run out of fish to sell so its not
like its a do or die thing when stocking a newly setup
aquarium............Once its established and trucking on yea, then you
can add more as long as the tank in general is not overstocked or
loaded for what it can handle. Probably more fish are killed by foks
pushing it tooo fast or overfeeding and stocking or stocking wrong
fish with wrong fish, anmd it need not be that this hobby seems to be
difficult as its not. It just needs to be taken a step at a time and
use and follow the correct info.......Too much of any8ting canbe as
bad as not enough and too much water changes can be just as bad as not
changing water at all.

Now that your down to two fish, just be satisfied with what you have
for now.......Watch the cory carefully.......and be carefull of any
treatments with a cory as they often times do not tolerate any
treatments that other fish do. I recall they do not like salt in the
tank either, which is a part of treating for ICH...in some
cases...........................get decent hob filters, keep
parameters correct, and do not go overboard on water
changes.......Look at getting that cory in with the gourami in the 5
gal tank, and also look for a larger tank to move em both
into......................and go very easy on feeding then. Every
other day or two ill work just fine, and feed em what they will only
consume in a say 2 minutes time.........There is no reason either of
those fish should up and die if they are housed and taken care of,
evfen if they both came down with ICH.....its not a death sentence for
either.........