Dead?

[NoSpam]

Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where
did everyone go to?

Thanks.

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

NoSpam wrote:
> Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where
> did everyone go to?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Some of us are still here...

[David Galea]

NoSpam wrote:
> Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where
> did everyone go to?
>
> Thanks.
>
>
I am also here

[no-spam]

.... and so am I, still kicking.:-D
"NoSpam" > wrote in message
...
> Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where did
> everyone go to?
>
> Thanks.
>
>

[NoSpam]

"no-spam" > wrote in message
...
> ... and so am I, still kicking.:-D
> "NoSpam" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where
>> did everyone go to?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>

OK. I'll hang around and lurk too :)

What do mix with live sand so that the entire tank becomes live sand
after 6-7 months? I' going to put together a 90g reef (on a budget)

[Don Geddis]

David Galea > wrote on Mon, 28 Jul 2008:
> NoSpam wrote:
>> Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where did
>> everyone go to?
>>
> I am also here

I'm not.

(C.f. Monty Python's "Life of Brian")
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/

[no-spam]

IMHO, you should just put the live sand alongside with "brand new" sand
without churning and turning in an attempt to mix them together. Given time,
nature will take its course, where organism from live sand will infiltrate
into the new. The idea is to keep the existing organism as much as possible
within its existing favorable conditions that have kept them alive and to
grow outwards into new territories.

Other experienced reefers may have a different take.

Good luck!

>
> OK. I'll hang around and lurk too :)
>
> What do mix with live sand so that the entire tank becomes live sand after
> 6-7 months? I' going to put together a 90g reef (on a budget)
>
>

[NoSpam]

"no-spam" > wrote in message
...
> IMHO, you should just put the live sand alongside with "brand new"
> sand without churning and turning in an attempt to mix them
> together. Given time, nature will take its course, where organism
> from live sand will infiltrate into the new. The idea is to keep the
> existing organism as much as possible within its existing favorable
> conditions that have kept them alive and to grow outwards into new
> territories.
>
> Other experienced reefers may have a different take.
>
> Good luck!

I was wondering if I could mix the LS with the white sterilized kids
playbox sand? And using white Fuji sand. I never had LS before. Any
idea of where I can get a calculator to figure out how pounds of sand
for the size of the tank?

BTW, I live in the City of SD (North Park), where you at?

[Don Geddis]

"NoSpam" > wrote on Tue, 29 Jul 2008:
> I was wondering if I could mix the LS with the white sterilized kids
> playbox sand?

Yes. Although, don't "mix" it. Just put the playbox sand in one part, and
the real live sand in another part. The ecosystem will grow and colonize the
dead stuff.

> And using white Fuji sand.

Even better (finer grained) than playbox sand.

> BTW, I live in the City of SD (North Park), where you at?

State? Country? You realize this is an international newsgroup, don't you?

-- Don
__________________________________________________ _____________________________
Don Geddis http://reef.geddis.org/
I think we should change the name of America to "Ameriky," because it shows we
are no longer going to be ashamed of our hillbilly side.
-- Deep Thoughts, by Jack Handey [1999]

[Peter Pan[_2_]]

NoSpam wrote:
> "no-spam" > wrote in message
> ...
>> IMHO, you should just put the live sand alongside with "brand new"
>> sand without churning and turning in an attempt to mix them
>> together. Given time, nature will take its course, where organism
>> from live sand will infiltrate into the new. The idea is to keep the
>> existing organism as much as possible within its existing favorable
>> conditions that have kept them alive and to grow outwards into new
>> territories.
>>
>> Other experienced reefers may have a different take.
>>
>> Good luck!
>
> I was wondering if I could mix the LS with the white sterilized kids
> playbox sand? And using white Fuji sand. I never had LS before. Any
> idea of where I can get a calculator to figure out how pounds of sand
> for the size of the tank?
>
> BTW, I live in the City of SD (North Park), where you at?
>
>
You want a 3-4" deep sand bed. How ever many bags depends on how big
your tank is. I would measure your tank then bring the detentions to the
store and ask the local fish guy how much you need to make the DSB.
Remember to put your rock in first then add the sand.. you may also want
to rinse the regular sand first before putting it in the tank. The Sand
will cloud up, make sure you have the water circulating. It will clear
up in a couple of days..
Good luck

[NoSpam]

"Don Geddis" > wrote in message
...
> "NoSpam" > wrote on Tue, 29 Jul 2008:
>> I was wondering if I could mix the LS with the white sterilized
>> kids
>> playbox sand?
>
> Yes. Although, don't "mix" it. Just put the playbox sand in one
> part, and
> the real live sand in another part. The ecosystem will grow and
> colonize the
> dead stuff.
>
>> And using white Fuji sand.
>
> Even better (finer grained) than playbox sand.
>
>> BTW, I live in the City of SD (North Park), where you at?
>
> State? Country? You realize this is an international newsgroup,
> don't you?

Duh. I thought I was in another group. Thanks for the info on the
sand.

[NoSpam]

"Peter Pan" > wrote in message
...
> NoSpam wrote:
>> "no-spam" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> IMHO, you should just put the live sand alongside with "brand new"
>>> sand without churning and turning in an attempt to mix them
>>> together. Given time, nature will take its course, where organism
>>> from live sand will infiltrate into the new. The idea is to keep
>>> the existing organism as much as possible within its existing
>>> favorable conditions that have kept them alive and to grow
>>> outwards into new territories.
>>>
>>> Other experienced reefers may have a different take.
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>
>> I was wondering if I could mix the LS with the white sterilized
>> kids playbox sand? And using white Fuji sand. I never had LS
>> before. Any idea of where I can get a calculator to figure out how
>> pounds of sand for the size of the tank?
>>
>> BTW, I live in the City of SD (North Park), where you at?
> You want a 3-4" deep sand bed. How ever many bags depends on how big
> your tank is. I would measure your tank then bring the detentions to
> the store and ask the local fish guy how much you need to make the
> DSB. Remember to put your rock in first then add the sand.. you may
> also want to rinse the regular sand first before putting it in the
> tank. The Sand will cloud up, make sure you have the water
> circulating. It will clear up in a couple of days..
> Good luck

I read a trick about this. Get a long funnel and use that to apply
sand to the bottom of the tank. And a filter bag tied on the end of
the overflow pipe.
Also, if your adding water to an empty tank, use a dinner plate and
the water will not stir the bottom (if you don't have a sump).

[expat[_2_]]

On Jul 30, 12:24*pm, "NoSpam" > wrote:
> "Peter Pan" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
>
>
> > NoSpam wrote:
> >> "no-spam" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>> IMHO, you should just put the live sand alongside with "brand new"
> >>> sand without churning and turning in an attempt to mix them
> >>> together. Given time, nature will take its course, where organism
> >>> from live sand will infiltrate into the new. The idea is to keep
> >>> the existing organism as much as possible within its existing
> >>> favorable conditions that have kept them alive and to grow
> >>> outwards into new territories.
>
> >>> Other experienced reefers may have a different take.
>
> >>> Good luck!
>
> >> I was wondering if I could mix the LS with the white sterilized
> >> kids playbox sand? And using white Fuji sand. I never had LS
> >> before. Any idea of where I can get a calculator to figure out how
> >> pounds of sand for the size of the tank?
>
> >> BTW, I live in the City of SD (North Park), where you at?
> > You want a 3-4" deep sand bed. How ever many bags depends on how big
> > your tank is. I would measure your tank then bring the detentions to
> > the store and ask the local fish guy how much you need to make the
> > DSB. Remember to put your rock in first then add the sand.. you may
> > also want to rinse the regular sand first before putting it in the
> > tank. The Sand will cloud up, make sure you have the water
> > circulating. It will clear up in a couple of days..
> > Good luck
>
> I read a trick about this. Get a long funnel and use that to apply
> sand to the bottom of the tank. And a filter bag tied on the end of
> the overflow pipe.
> Also, if your adding water to an empty tank, use a dinner plate and
> the water will not stir the bottom (if you don't have a sump).- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Just use a length of PVC pipe or a zip lock baggie, fill with some
water from the tank after you fill it with sand and submerge baggie to
bottom and unzip it and allow to flow out.

[expat[_2_]]

On Jul 27, 5:01*pm, "NoSpam" > wrote:
> Am I to assume that this group is completely dead? And is so, where
> did everyone go to?
>
> Thanks.

Only the ones that thought they owned this group and thought they
were the worlds only gurus on marine reef tanks and fish have fled.
Where oh where has old Wayne Sallee gone, oh where oh where can he be,
with is tail tucked between his legs and his tempper cut short, oh
where oh where can he be.

He is out on the town with his only friend named Kurt, crying away in
their beer............Oh how nice this group eventually turned out to
be without the likes of those that thought they were in total control
of a public group. Yep it may be quiet, but its free of their drivel
and sarcassim, plus the web based forums are way better than any
usenet group could ever dream of becoming. Try em, you just may like
em.

Rest in Peace.....no one misses you at all!

Wayne Sallee
Kurt Guenther
Pezemol
Innabon Dunes
Rock
George Patterson
Sheila
And a few other dip****s!

[NoSpam]

"expat" > wrote in message Just use
a length of PVC pipe or a zip lock baggie, fill with some
water from the tank after you fill it with sand and submerge baggie to
bottom and unzip it and allow to flow out.

----------------------------
Thanks for the zip bag. I just thought of silicone and a 1" PVC with a
wide kitchen funnel glued in :)

[expat[_2_]]

On Jul 31, 2:05*pm, "NoSpam" > wrote:
> "expat" > wrote in message Just use
>
> a length of PVC pipe or a zip lock baggie, fill with some
> water from the tank after you fill it with sand and submerge baggie to
> bottom and unzip it and allow to flow out.
>
> ----------------------------
> Thanks for the zip bag. I just thought of silicone and a 1" PVC with a
> wide kitchen funnel glued in :)

Goihng way way overboard with glueing in a funnel etc . Its not hard
to add sand directly into a piece of PVC pipe, or even fill a plastic
container up and submerge into tank and postion where needed and tilt
it over and let it trickle out. The zip lock baggie is about as
simple and easy as it gets.....short of dumping it in the tank gets.

[NoSpam]

"expat" > wrote in message
...
On Jul 31, 2:05 pm, "NoSpam" > wrote:
> "expat" > wrote in message Just
> use
>
> a length of PVC pipe or a zip lock baggie, fill with some
> water from the tank after you fill it with sand and submerge baggie
> to
> bottom and unzip it and allow to flow out.
>
> ----------------------------
> Thanks for the zip bag. I just thought of silicone and a 1" PVC with
> a
> wide kitchen funnel glued in :)

Goihng way way overboard with glueing in a funnel etc . Its not hard
to add sand directly into a piece of PVC pipe, or even fill a plastic
container up and submerge into tank and postion where needed and tilt
it over and let it trickle out. The zip lock baggie is about as
simple and easy as it gets.....short of dumping it in the tank gets.
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Yeah, your right. I have a tendency to go overboard. Thanks for the
smack on the head :)