Goldfish Question

[Joel[_2_]]

I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.

Is this normal?

J

[Joel[_2_]]

On Oct 21, 11:17*am, Tynk > wrote:
> On Oct 21, 9:07*am, Joel > wrote:
>
> > I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
> > in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
> > love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
> > CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.
>
> > Is this normal?
>
> > J
>
> Just out of curiosity.......
> What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
> Koi?
> Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
> difference.
> How big are they (inches long)?
> How many were put into the 30 gal.
> And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
> did you use?

Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
25 each) So common goldies
About 4" in length
5 in the tank
Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.

[Charles]

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:18:16 -0700 (PDT), Joel >
wrote:

>On Oct 21, 11:17*am, Tynk > wrote:
>> On Oct 21, 9:07*am, Joel > wrote:
>>
>> > I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
>> > in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
>> > love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
>> > CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.
>>
>> > Is this normal?
>>
>> > J
>>
>> Just out of curiosity.......
>> What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
>> Koi?
>> Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
>> difference.
>> How big are they (inches long)?
>> How many were put into the 30 gal.
>> And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
>> did you use?
>
>Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
>25 each) So common goldies
>About 4" in length
>5 in the tank
>Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.


Back to the first question, goldfish playing in the bubbles is
commonly reported. It seems to mean nothing more than just playing,
they enjoy it.

[Joel[_2_]]

On Oct 22, 10:55*am, Tynk > wrote:
> On Oct 21, 12:18*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 21, 11:17*am, Tynk > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 21, 9:07*am, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > > I recently placed the goldfish that have been in my pond (since May)
> > > > in a 30 gallon tank for the winter, they are fine, yet they seem to
> > > > love the aerator, they swim up and down through the bubbles and the go
> > > > CRAZY, splishing and splashing and speeding around the tank.
>
> > > > Is this normal?
>
> > > > J
>
> > > Just out of curiosity.......
> > > What type of Goldie are we talking about? Common / Comet, Fancy, or
> > > Koi?
> > > Large differences in the growth of each of those types, so it makes a
> > > difference.
> > > How big are they (inches long)?
> > > How many were put into the 30 gal.
> > > And lastly, was the 30g cycled before adding them? If so, what method
> > > did you use?
>
> > Look like regular run of the mill goldfish (bought them at Petco for .
> > 25 each) So common goldies
> > About 4" in length
> > 5 in the tank
> > Bought the tank used and filled it with the water that was in the pond.
>
> The up and down in the bubbles is normal.
> It's the other issues that are going to become a problem very soon.
> The tank is not cycled. Adding water from your pond didn't cycle the
> tank. Many people believe that by adding old water from an established
> tank (or pond) will make a new tank cycled or bring the nitrifying
> bacteria with it. It does not.
> The bacteria adhere to every surface inside the tank, and filtration
> system.
> This, along with water changes and gravel vacuuming is what keeps a
> tank healthy.
> Your tank is going to quickly become nitrite soup.
> Goldies produce vast amounts of waste. More than your average fish.
> You mentioned an "air stone". Is this in *addition* to your filter?
> If you do not have any filtration, just an airstone, 5 - four inch
> commons in an uncycled tank since May...I'm thinking their actions may
> not be play, but desperation to get out.
> What's the water change schedule on this tank (% changed and how
> often)?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.

Sorry if the question was confusing

Thanks for the replies.

[[email protected]]

too many GF, too little water. what you describe is classic behavior in toxic water
conditions. start changing water. what are you doing for filtration? It might be
better for your GF to get a 150 gallon rubbermaid tub in the basement, hang a light
and build some kind of veggie filter down there to keep the water clean.
http://weloveteaching.com/mypond/VF/veggie_filter.html

keep it cool and only feed a couple times a week, lightly. But you do need to clean
GF up when bringing them inside from a pond.
http://weloveteaching.com/puregold/care/care2.htm#in%20from%20the%20pond
Ingrid

On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:11:44 EDT, Joel > wrote:
>I have a question regarding goldfish behavior. Back in May I put about
>a dozon goldfish in my pond (small pond, about 15'x8'x2' deep) I took
>them out and put them in a 30 gallon tank in my house for the winter,
>they seem to love the aerator (Swimming up and down in the bubbles the
>they freak out and fly around the tank (flipping out of the water etc)
>
>My question is...
>
>Is this normal?
>
>J

[Joel[_2_]]

On Oct 23, 10:03*am, Tynk > wrote:
> On Oct 22, 12:37*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
> > I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
> > since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
> > as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.
>
> > Sorry if the question was confusing
>
> > Thanks for the replies.
>
> OK....
> It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
> Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
> came from.
> So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
> Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
> One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
> syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
> producers.
> Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
> goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
> process.
> You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
> good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
> them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
> will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
> survive).
> The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
> water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
> this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
> suffocating. *Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
> surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
> I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
> gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
> If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
> would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
> (fishicide).
> Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
> suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
> rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
> your plants and fish.
> I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
> proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
> much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
> BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
> bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
> bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira *bacteria in
> it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
> aren't what you need when starting a tank.
> If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
> refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
> fish.
> This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
> down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
> to the fish.
> It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
> Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
> years.
> Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
> I had to ask that one.
> Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
> sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
> not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
> the recent popularity of ponds.

Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.

Thanks for the replies.

J

[John Smith[_3_]]

On Oct 23, 12:17*pm, Joel > wrote:
> On Oct 23, 10:03*am, Tynk > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 22, 12:37*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
> > > since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
> > > as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.
>
> > > Sorry if the question was confusing
>
> > > Thanks for the replies.
>
> > OK....
> > It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
> > Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
> > came from.
> > So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
> > Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
> > One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
> > syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
> > producers.
> > Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
> > goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
> > process.
> > You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
> > good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
> > them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
> > will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
> > survive).
> > The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
> > water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
> > this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
> > suffocating. *Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
> > surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
> > I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
> > gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
> > If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
> > would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
> > (fishicide).
> > Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
> > suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
> > rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
> > your plants and fish.
> > I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
> > proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
> > much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
> > BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
> > bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
> > bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira *bacteria in
> > it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
> > aren't what you need when starting a tank.
> > If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
> > refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
> > fish.
> > This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
> > down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
> > to the fish.
> > It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
> > Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
> > years.
> > Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
> > I had to ask that one.
> > Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
> > sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
> > not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
> > the recent popularity of ponds.
>
> Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.
>
> Thanks for the replies.
>
> J- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

So Joel
How does it feelt o be a goldfish abuser. There is help groups for
folks that like to abuse and torture fish weather by accident or on
purpose. Maybe its time to scale those jokers and toss em in a pan
with some onions and mushrooms or wrap in aluminum foil with some
onions and butter and seasoning and have a go at a end of the year
fish roast. They are great eating when cooked right as are Koi. Then
instread of going balls broke to support a bunch of 25 cent feeders
simply buy a bunch more next spring and come winter repeat fish BBQ
again...........I ain't telling you what to do with yur money or time
thats for sure, but for a $1.50 worth of goldfish its dumb to spend
hundredes of dollars to keep em warma nd confy for a few months time
if you ask me..especially common feeder types. Fancy perhaps is a
different story, but come on, its like stepping over a $10 bill to
pick up a dam penny, and after all its a ****ing fish anyhow. Flush
those suckers or eat em for supper, or go for broke and plop down
allthat hard earned money for a buck and ahlafs worthof fish or go
iton yur own method and see if what is stated is bull**** or fact! But
whatever you do please keep us informed as we need allthe good posts
we can get in this groupa nd to help lots of folks get over the winter
time blahs!

[Joel[_2_]]

On Oct 23, 2:54*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On Oct 23, 12:17*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 23, 10:03*am, Tynk > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 22, 12:37*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > > I just added the fish in the tank Saturday, the fish were in the pond
> > > > since May, I have a filter and aerator, I plan on getting a gravel vac
> > > > as well and will be changing the water on a regular basis.
>
> > > > Sorry if the question was confusing
>
> > > > Thanks for the replies.
>
> > > OK....
> > > It's a good thing that the Goldies have only been in this tank since
> > > Saturday. I had thought you said since May. That's where my confusion
> > > came from.
> > > So, it's probably a combo of lack of space, and play for now.
> > > Very, very quickly those nitrites are going to explode.
> > > One average fish in that tank would suffer from the coming "new tank
> > > syndrome" (aka nitrite soup) in no time, but you have 5 - mega waste
> > > producers.
> > > Here's the deal. You obviously have a pond and are wintering your
> > > goldies. However, you weren't prepared properly for the wintering
> > > process.
> > > You have a decision to make very, very soon. This weekend would be
> > > good. That's how soon I'm talking about. You can save them if prevent
> > > them from being damaged by the nitrite soup to come. Their gill tissue
> > > will have burns so bad from it that the damage scars (if they
> > > survive).
> > > The more scarred gill tissue, the less oxygen they can get out of the
> > > water column. Just an FYI for any of those out there that don't know
> > > this.... Goldfish do NOT get O2 from the surface. That's actually them
> > > suffocating. *Just to clarify, many fish will take a few gulps at the
> > > surface. That's not what I'm talking about.
> > > I'm talking about not swimming around, just hanging at the surface,
> > > gulping constantly. That's suffocation.
> > > If you had great filtration, but had a nitrite soup situation.....you
> > > would see the fish desperately trying to get out. Some may even jump
> > > (fishicide).
> > > Now if you don't want to get a larger tank I would take Ingrid's
> > > suggestion of getting a "Rubbermaid" type tub. It has to be new,
> > > rinsed out and scrubbed with a clean paper towel. Then fill it, add
> > > your plants and fish.
> > > I would suggest getting BioSpira and adding it. Make sure to use the
> > > proper amount. Never less than you need....and you cannot use too
> > > much. The more bacteria the better, so you can't really over do
> > > BioSpira. This *will* cycle the tank. It has the correct- live
> > > bacteria in it. Products like *Cycle* do NOT work. It has the wrong
> > > bacteria in it. You need a product that has nitrospira *bacteria in
> > > it. Most of those cycling products have other bacteria in it that
> > > aren't what you need when starting a tank.
> > > If you can't get BioSpira as it is hard to find because it needs to be
> > > refrigerated, you'll have to cycle the tub (or larger tank) with the
> > > fish.
> > > This will require lots of water changes to keep the nitrite levels
> > > down. It has to be that way in order to cause the least amount of harm
> > > to the fish.
> > > It shouldn't make a difference that they cost like 25 cents each.
> > > Those fish you have can grow to 16 inches each, and can live over 20
> > > years.
> > > Just out of curiosity, how large is the pond?
> > > I had to ask that one.
> > > Ponds became very popular these last few years here in the States, and
> > > sadly many didn't research the fish's needs before doing so. That's
> > > not a jab, that was just a matter of fact comment on the downside to
> > > the recent popularity of ponds.
>
> > Pond is 15'x8'x2' deep.
>
> > Thanks for the replies.
>
> > J- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> So Joel
> *How does it feelt o be a goldfish abuser. There is help groups for
> folks that like to abuse and torture fish weather by accident or on
> purpose. Maybe its time to scale those jokers and toss em in a pan
> with some onions and mushrooms or wrap in aluminum foil with some
> onions and butter and seasoning and have a go at a end of the year
> fish roast. They are great eating when cooked right as are Koi. Then
> instread of going balls broke to support a bunch of 25 cent feeders
> simply buy a bunch more next spring and come winter repeat fish BBQ
> again...........I ain't telling you what to do with yur money or time
> thats for sure, but for a $1.50 worth of goldfish its dumb to spend
> hundredes of dollars to keep em warma nd confy for a few months time
> if you ask me..especially common feeder types. Fancy perhaps is a
> different story, but come on, its like stepping over a $10 bill to
> pick up a dam penny, and after all its a ****ing fish anyhow. Flush
> those suckers or eat em for supper, or go for broke and plop down
> allthat hard earned money for a buck and ahlafs worthof fish or go
> iton yur own method and see if what is stated is bull**** or fact! But
> whatever you do please keep us informed as we need allthe good posts
> we can get in this groupa nd to help lots of folks get over the winter
> time blahs!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
little black ones)

In trouble now ;)

[Joel[_2_]]

On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk > wrote:
> On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
>
>
> > Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
> > see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
> > little black ones)
>
> > In trouble now * *;)
>
> * * *= O * DOH!

Total # of fish

Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
there)
Lost the crayfish too :(

[John Smith[_3_]]

On Oct 28, 10:29*am, Joel > wrote:
> On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk > wrote:
>
> > On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
> > > see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
> > > little black ones)
>
> > > In trouble now * *;)
>
> > * * *= O * DOH!
>
> Total # of fish
>
> Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
> scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
> placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
> there)
> Lost the crayfish too * :(

Hate to say it, but was there other fish in that pond. Is the water
suitbale for fish to live in? Will it be suitbale for them later on if
they make it, or does odds and ends get dumped into it? We all know
all water is not created equal or suitbale for life with a
fish......but sometimes that old addage of out of sight out of mind
works best! You did good IMHO. YOu would do even better if you reduced
the herd in that fish tank as well.......perhaps the offspring would
like to over winter with mom or pop or aunti or uncle!

[Joel[_2_]]

On Oct 28, 7:15*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> On Oct 28, 10:29*am, Joel > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > > Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
> > > > see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
> > > > little black ones)
>
> > > > In trouble now * *;)
>
> > > * * *= O * DOH!
>
> > Total # of fish
>
> > Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
> > scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
> > placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
> > there)
> > Lost the crayfish too * :(
>
> Hate to say it, but was there other fish in that pond. Is the water
> suitbale for fish to live in? Will it be suitbale for them later on if
> they make it, or does odds and ends get dumped into it? *We all know
> all water is not created equal or suitbale for life with a
> fish......but sometimes that old addage of out of sight out of mind
> works best! You did good IMHO. YOu would do even better if you reduced
> the herd in that fish tank as well.......perhaps the offspring would
> like to over winter with mom or pop or aunti or uncle!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

All the fish were in the pond, the pond has a inground pool sand
filter, former owners had fish (Some wintered over when it didn't
freeze solid) Come spring, the pond will be emptied AGAIN all rocks
removed and cleaned, pond liner will be cleaned and be good to go.

Any other questions?

[John Smith[_3_]]

On Oct 29, 8:44*am, Joel > wrote:
> On Oct 28, 7:15*pm, John Smith > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Oct 28, 10:29*am, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > On Oct 27, 11:25*am, Tynk > wrote:
>
> > > > On Oct 23, 2:43*pm, Joel > wrote:
>
> > > > > Kids love them too much. Besides, they did produce offspring, didn't
> > > > > see them in the pond till just recently (like another half dozen
> > > > > little black ones)
>
> > > > > In trouble now * *;)
>
> > > > * * *= O * DOH!
>
> > > Total # of fish
>
> > > Originally bought 12 (And 1 crayfish)
> > > scooped out 9 of the original 12 (lost 3) and 11 offspring (Which I
> > > placed in a deep pond in a cemetary near my house, they should be fine
> > > there)
> > > Lost the crayfish too * :(
>
> > Hate to say it, but was there other fish in that pond. Is the water
> > suitbale for fish to live in? Will it be suitbale for them later on if
> > they make it, or does odds and ends get dumped into it? *We all know
> > all water is not created equal or suitbale for life with a
> > fish......but sometimes that old addage of out of sight out of mind
> > works best! You did good IMHO. YOu would do even better if you reduced
> > the herd in that fish tank as well.......perhaps the offspring would
> > like to over winter with mom or pop or aunti or uncle!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> All the fish were in the pond, the pond has a inground pool sand
> filter, former owners had fish (Some wintered over when it didn't
> freeze solid) Come spring, the pond will be emptied AGAIN all rocks
> removed and cleaned, pond liner will be cleaned and be good to go.
>
> Any other questions?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Which of the occupants of the cemetary owns that pond. You mean they
come back alive to maintain their pond every spring? Wow only in Mass
would stuff like this happen...Does perpetual care in the cemetary
upkeep also pay electric bill to maintain this pond just so the inhabs
can enjoy fish, or maybe the inhabs came back as fish. Yea thats
probably what is happening. The dead folks were reincarnated as fish.
Guess with all thw worms in a cemetary being a fish is not a bad thing
as the food source should be pretty darn good.