Fishless tank cycling

[Andy Pastuszak]

Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
cycling? All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
surfactant in it.

Andy

[JKconey]

"Andy Pastuszak" > wrote in message
...
> Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> cycling? All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> surfactant in it.
>
> Andy



I'm not saying it......

[John Smith[_2_]]

Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> cycling? All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> surfactant in it.
>
> Andy

How about urea? It is in many off-the-shelf fertilizers, the first
stage in the aquarium is its' conversion to ammonia ... just a thought.

I purchased an 80 lb. sack from an agricultural/agchem supply in my
area. It was less that $20USD for a lifetime supply! The stuff I use
is in "prill" form.

Regards,
JS

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 16, 2:15*pm, John Smith > wrote:
> Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> > Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> > cycling? *All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> > surfactant in it.
>
> > Andy
>
> How about urea? *It is in many off-the-shelf fertilizers, the first
> stage in the aquarium is its' conversion to ammonia ... just a thought.
>
> I purchased an 80 lb. sack from an agricultural/agchem supply in my
> area. *It was less that $20USD for a lifetime supply! *The stuff I use
> is in "prill" form.
>
> Regards,
> JS

No one gives a **** what you use Johnnie Boi. Last I heard you put
your wifes panties in the tank to cycle it. Folks need to run right
out and buy a 80# bag of crap only you would use........ You mean its
in PRICK form like you and your momma.........

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 16, 1:17*pm, "JKconey" > wrote:
> "Andy Pastuszak" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> > cycling? *All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> > surfactant in it.
>
> > Andy
>
> * *I'm not saying it......

Just **** in the tank dude.............Or you can do like Johnnie Boi
Smith does and **** in it and take a bath in it too..His wife and
momma cycles Johnny Bois tanks with their douche water for faster
cycle times.

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 17, 9:29*am, Tynk > wrote:
> On Nov 16, 1:17*pm, "JKconey" > wrote:
>
> > "Andy Pastuszak" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> > > cycling? *All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> > > surfactant in it.
>
> > > Andy
>
> > * *I'm not saying it......
>
> = )~
>
> Nasty, nasty, nasty. lol
>
> If you go to something like a Wal-mart, look for the most generic
> ammonia they sell. It's usually pure ammonia - no additives or scents.

Nasty is in the persons mind. YOu into golden showers etc so be it,
but **** is a perfect source of ammonia and there is nothing ugly or
nasty about it. Were not talking about needing a liter of the the
stuff only needs about a cc or so to seed the tank................and
in no time there will be no signs of it left anywhere........

[Andy Pastuszak]

Tynk wrote:

>
> If you go to something like a Wal-mart, look for the most generic
> ammonia they sell. It's usually pure ammonia - no additives or scents.

That's what I did at the grocery store, looked at the generic no-frills
stuff and every last one said "contains surfactants."

I guess I'll have to keep hunting...

Andy

[Andy Pastuszak]

John Smith wrote:

> Nasty is in the persons mind. YOu into golden showers etc so be it,
> but **** is a perfect source of ammonia and there is nothing ugly or
> nasty about it. Were not talking about needing a liter of the the
> stuff only needs about a cc or so to seed the tank................and
> in no time there will be no signs of it left anywhere........

**** actually is not a good source of ammonia. Urine has diluted UREA
in it, not ammonia. The nitrogenous waste byproduct by animal groups
that I know of are:

Fish and amphibians - Ammonia
Reptiles and Birds - Uric Acid
Mammals - Urea

In fish, the ammonia is excreted directly and immediately dissolves in
the water around it.

Uric acid comes out as-is. Hence why bird poop can sometimes take the
paint off a car

In Mammals, urea is diluted with water to make urine.

I honestly don't know if Nitrosomus sp. can digest urea. May need to
check...

Not that I am going to **** in my tank...

Andy

[Andy Pastuszak]

John Smith wrote:

> No one gives a **** what you use Johnnie Boi. Last I heard you put
> your wifes panties in the tank to cycle it. Folks need to run right
> out and buy a 80# bag of crap only you would use........ You mean its
> in PRICK form like you and your momma.........

Get a life.

Thank God for kill files.

Andy

[John Smith[_2_]]

Andy Pastuszak wrote:

> ...
> **** actually is not a good source of ammonia. Urine has diluted UREA
> in it, not ammonia. The nitrogenous waste byproduct by animal groups
> that I know of are:
> ...
> Andy

Absolutely correct. However, often you will hear the "experts/gurus"
start the nitrogen cycle with ammonia, [ammonia -> nitrites -> nitrates.]

However, it is actually, [urea -> ammonia -> nitrites -> nitrates.]
And, urea is actually 90-95% percent of the solids in urine. So, it
gets a much more "natural" nitrogen cycle going in your tanks if you
begin with urea; as, micro-organisms/phytoplankton/algaes/etc. break the
molecular bonds of urea to ammonia in the first place; you need these
organisms also ...

Regards,
JS

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 17, 11:41*am, John Smith > wrote:
> Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> > ...
> > **** actually is not a good source of ammonia. *Urine has diluted UREA
> > in it, not ammonia. *The nitrogenous waste byproduct by animal groups
> > that I know of are:
> > ...
> > Andy
>
> Absolutely correct. *However, often you will hear the "experts/gurus"
> start the nitrogen cycle with ammonia, [ammonia -> nitrites -> nitrates.]
>
> However, it is actually, [urea -> ammonia -> nitrites -> nitrates.]
> And, urea is actually 90-95% percent of the solids in urine. *So, it
> gets a much more "natural" nitrogen cycle going in your tanks if you
> begin with urea; as, micro-organisms/phytoplankton/algaes/etc. break the
> molecular bonds of urea to ammonia in the first place; you need these
> organisms also ...
>
> Regards,
> JS

See Andy, your wrong, dumbass. Its that smegma that falls off your
dick in to your fish tank that gets it stinking like your momma
smells. There is a difference in **** to getting a tank started and
merely douching your momma and wife in it, or I guess in your case
your boyfriend.

[ReelMcKoi]

"Andy Pastuszak" > wrote in message
...
> Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> cycling? All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> surfactant in it.
>
> Andy
===========================
I can't find pure ammonia either. You can ad some fish food like Shrimp
Pellets. I tried that in the past and it worked.
--
RM....
~~~~ }<((((*> ~~~ }<{{{{(ö>

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 17, 9:28*pm, "ReelMcKoi" > wrote:
> "Andy Pastuszak" > wrote in message
>
> ...> Can anyone give me a source for ammonia so I can do some fishless tank
> > cycling? *All the grocery stores near me have ammonia, but it has
> > surfactant in it.
>
> > Andy
>
> ===========================
> I can't find pure ammonia either. *You can ad some fish food like Shrimp
> Pellets. I tried that in the past and it worked.
> --
> RM....
> ~~~~ *}<((((*> *~~~ * }<{{{{(ö>

Won;t work RM........................Johnnie Smith the know it all did
not think of that.............its too simple to do it that
way...........now lets just set back and listen to his list of why its
not a good idea to use a few shrimp pellets or flakes of fish food to
iniate a cycle.................LIke Johnnie Boi said, the only proper
way is to buy "Prilled Urea" in 80# sacks so you have a
lifetime.......supply....Hmmmmmmmmmwhy even bother seeing with old
filter media with 80# of prilled urea laying around geting hard as a
rock form humidity.............Hey Johnnie BOi..........anyone ever
tell you that your a real ****ing asshole? If not, let me be the
first.YOur a real ****ing asshole dude! Understand 100% why you hang
your hat in Kornifornia now!

[John Smith[_2_]]

John Smith wrote:

>
> Won;t work RM........................Johnnie Smith the know it all did
> not think of that.............its too simple to do it that
> way...........now lets just set back and listen to his list of why its
> not a good idea to use a few shrimp pellets or flakes of fish food to
> iniate a cycle.................LIke Johnnie Boi said, the only proper
> way is to buy "Prilled Urea" in 80# sacks so you have a
> lifetime.......supply....Hmmmmmmmmmwhy even bother seeing with old
> filter media with 80# of prilled urea laying around geting hard as a
> rock form humidity.............Hey Johnnie BOi..........anyone ever
> tell you that your a real ****ing asshole? If not, let me be the
> first.YOur a real ****ing asshole dude! Understand 100% why you hang
> your hat in Kornifornia now!

Ahhh, once again, time to PLONK! you. Now don't be afraid or lonely, in
a week or two, I will un-plonk you and check on your mental stability
and health once again ... hope you don't have to spend your food stamps
on more booze and drugs and being forced into having to self-medicate
yourself.

Best wishes,
good luck,
stiff upper lip man!
JS

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 18, 11:25*am, John Smith > wrote:
> John Smith wrote:
>
> > Won;t work RM........................Johnnie Smith the know it all did
> > not think of that.............its too simple to do it that
> > way...........now lets just set back and listen to his list of why its
> > not a good idea to use a few shrimp pellets or flakes of fish food to
> > iniate a cycle.................LIke Johnnie Boi said, the only proper
> > way is to buy "Prilled Urea" in 80# sacks so you have a
> > lifetime.......supply....Hmmmmmmmmmwhy even bother seeing with old
> > filter media with 80# of prilled urea laying around geting hard as a
> > rock form humidity.............Hey Johnnie BOi..........anyone ever
> > tell you that your a real ****ing asshole? If not, let me be the
> > first.YOur a real ****ing asshole dude! Understand 100% why you hang
> > your hat in Kornifornia now!
>
> Ahhh, once again, time to PLONK! you. *Now don't be afraid or lonely, in
> a week or two, I will un-plonk you and check on your mental stability
> and health once again ... hope you don't have to spend your food stamps
> on more booze and drugs and being forced into having to self-medicate
> yourself.
>
> Best wishes,
> good luck,
> stiff upper lip man!
> JS

LIke your plonking me means a ****ing thing JOhnnie
BOi............get a clue you do not mean a thing to me just like
your wife and momma..........****ing moron! As for being stiff, its
my dick thats stiff that your wife is enjoying at the moment.

[Andy Pastuszak]

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:25:56 -0800, John Smith wrote:

> John Smith wrote:
>
>
>> Won;t work RM........................Johnnie Smith the know it all did
>> not think of that.............its too simple to do it that
>> way...........now lets just set back and listen to his list of why its
>> not a good idea to use a few shrimp pellets or flakes of fish food to
>> iniate a cycle.................LIke Johnnie Boi said, the only proper
>> way is to buy "Prilled Urea" in 80# sacks so you have a
>> lifetime.......supply....Hmmmmmmmmmwhy even bother seeing with old
>> filter media with 80# of prilled urea laying around geting hard as a
>> rock form humidity.............Hey Johnnie BOi..........anyone ever
>> tell you that your a real ****ing asshole? If not, let me be the
>> first.YOur a real ****ing asshole dude! Understand 100% why you hang
>> your hat in Kornifornia now!
>
> Ahhh, once again, time to PLONK! you. Now don't be afraid or lonely, in
> a week or two, I will un-plonk you and check on your mental stability
> and health once again ... hope you don't have to spend your food stamps
> on more booze and drugs and being forced into having to self-medicate
> yourself.
>
> Best wishes,
> good luck,
> stiff upper lip man!
> JS

The ignore feature of Pan just came in real handy....

Peace and quiet again...

Andy

[John Smith[_2_]]

Andy Pastuszak wrote:

> ...
> The ignore feature of Pan just came in real handy....
>
> Peace and quiet again...
>
> Andy

Yes, my mother warned me about "people" like "it", just lucky not to
have encountered many in my life, I guess ... and unless I venture into
the "questionable" parts of the city here, I never encounter such vile
creatures ... perhaps we are fortunate to have "it"--"it" keeps us aware
of the dangers of such human dregs ... and, "it" provides us with a good
argument as to why owning a gun is NOT all paranoia!

Regards,
JS

[John Smith[_4_]]

On Nov 21, 1:52*am, John Smith > wrote:
> Andy Pastuszak wrote:
> > ...
> > The ignore feature of Pan just came in real handy....
>
> > Peace and quiet again...
>
> > Andy
>
> Yes, my mother warned me about "people" like "it", just lucky not to
> have encountered many in my life, I guess ... *and unless I venture into
> the "questionable" parts of the city here, I never encounter such vile
> creatures ... perhaps we are fortunate to have "it"--"it" keeps us aware
> of the dangers of such human dregs ... and, "it" provides us with a good
> argument as to why owning a gun is NOT all paranoia!
>
> Regards,
> JS

better get back on your drugs and meds Johnnie LIttle dick lover
Smith...your starting to hallucinate again................Oh Andy
****inyourasshole (think I spelled your last name right <LOL>) your
kill filter is only as good as I allow it to be. You'll still wander
into threads and see my posts you ****ing dumb moron!

[Larry Blanchard]

On Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:07:35 +0000, Andy Pastuszak wrote:

> The ignore feature of Pan just came in real handy....
>
> Peace and quiet again...
>
> Andy

Yep - yours is the first message that's gotten through my filters in
several days. And I won't see all the asinine responses this post will
trigger.

The only reason I keep checking this newsgroup is in case someone new
requests some help with something. And to see if the assholes are ever
going to give up - apparently not :-).

[John Smith[_2_]]

Larry Blanchard wrote:

> ...
> Yep - yours is the first message that's gotten through my filters in
> several days. And I won't see all the asinine responses this post will
> trigger.
>
> The only reason I keep checking this newsgroup is in case someone new
> requests some help with something. And to see if the assholes are ever
> going to give up - apparently not :-).
>

Well, thanks!

But then, we are just happy for your success, no reason to waste
bandwidth with "verbiage", just enjoy it! I do ... :-)

Regards,
JS