Cichlids are KILLERS !

[Noah Body]

I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish store
because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal fins
off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank. Before
they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are chased
constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a walk,
these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........

Noah
Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

[Amateur]

Noah,
That really is a shame. Not that the cichlids you purchased attacked your
puffer, but that you purchased fish for the sole reason they were on sale. No
research done on them. No knowledge of where they came from, suitable tankmates,
tank size requirements, water requirements or dietary needs. And who's to blame?
Why the cichlids of course. You stick them in a tank to hopefully get nipped at
by your crayfish to "teach them a lesson". And if they are killed in the
crayfish tank, what have they learned? Well, nothing they're dead. And you are
out that little bit of money you spent on them.
Cichlids are killers. So are puffers. I had rainbow fish kill other rainbow
fish introduced to one of my tanks. Ninety percent of living things in the world
are killers. It's a matter of we view it. Even that large pine blocking the sun
from the small sapling next to it, is a killer. The solution to your problem is
quite simple. Research. Stop the impulse buying and take responsibility for the
animals you purchase. If you see a fish you like, go home and research it first.
There are thousands of people out here, and thousands of sites that exist for no
other reason than to provide information for people like you. Cichlids are
territorial fish that need a certain amount of space. Most will assert their
dominance on their tankmates. Most regular tropical fish are not suited as
tankmates for cichlids. These fish are beautiful and extremely intelligent
comparitively. You owe them at least a half hour of research prior to purchasing
them.
I'd recommend that you stop attempting to punish a fish for your mistake and
return them to the shop from where you got them.
Amateur
www.amateurcichlids.com

[Alan Silver]

In message >, Amateur
> writes
>I'd recommend that you stop attempting to punish a fish for your
>mistake and return them to the shop from where you got them.

Well said.

--
Alan Silver
PSG Fish Tanks - http://fish.alansilver.co.uk/

[Sanjay Thomas]

"Amateur" > wrote in message
. com...
> Noah,
> That really is a shame. Not that the cichlids you purchased attacked
your
> puffer, but that you purchased fish for the sole reason they were on sale.
No
> research done on them. No knowledge of where they came from, suitable
tankmates,
> tank size requirements, water requirements or dietary needs. And who's to
blame?
> Why the cichlids of course. You stick them in a tank to hopefully get
nipped at
> by your crayfish to "teach them a lesson". And if they are killed in the
> crayfish tank, what have they learned? Well, nothing they're dead. And you
are
> out that little bit of money you spent on them.
> Cichlids are killers. So are puffers. I had rainbow fish kill other
rainbow
> fish introduced to one of my tanks. Ninety percent of living things in the
world
> are killers. It's a matter of we view it. Even that large pine blocking
the sun
> from the small sapling next to it, is a killer. The solution to your
problem is
> quite simple. Research. Stop the impulse buying and take responsibility
for the
> animals you purchase. If you see a fish you like, go home and research it
first.
> There are thousands of people out here, and thousands of sites that exist
for no
> other reason than to provide information for people like you. Cichlids are
> territorial fish that need a certain amount of space. Most will assert
their
> dominance on their tankmates. Most regular tropical fish are not suited as
> tankmates for cichlids. These fish are beautiful and extremely intelligent
> comparitively. You owe them at least a half hour of research prior to
purchasing
> them.
> I'd recommend that you stop attempting to punish a fish for your
mistake and
> return them to the shop from where you got them.
> Amateur
> www.amateurcichlids.com
>
>
Well said, Amateur.

[Jay]

"Noah Body" > wrote in message
...
> I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
store
> because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
fins
> off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
Before
> they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are chased
> constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
walk,
> these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........

I hope this experience has taught "you" a lesson.

If not, please refer to Amateur's reply again.

- J

[The Madd Hatter]

Fish don't kill fish, ignorant fish keepers kill fish...Your cichlids didn't
kill those fish... you did, by introducing a species of fish into the tank
that were noxious to them. Do yourself and your fish a favor and read up
before you buy livestock... Caveat Emptor!



"Noah Body" > wrote in message
...
> I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
store
> because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
fins
> off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
Before
> they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are chased
> constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
walk,
> these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........
>
> Noah
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

[RedFive]

Amateur, that's the best reply I've ever seen to a thread like this, kudos
to you.

I'm willing to bet that Noah also didn't ask if the cichlids would be
compatible with his existing stock. I expect LFS sales assistants to be
able to tell me a bit about the fish, even if it's only basic information
and compatibility, if they don't know then I won't buy 'til I've researched.

If he did ask and they said 'yes' - have a word with the store!

As Madd said
'Caveat Emptor!'

Red

[Frank S]

DON'T PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT TANK!!!!!!

-Frank

[John B]

WOW man, you got burned.

"Noah Body" > wrote in message
...
> I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
store
> because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
fins
> off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
Before
> they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are chased
> constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
walk,
> these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........
>
> Noah
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

[Kodiak]

Actually, he got flamed..!
....Kodiak

"John B" > wrote in message
...
> WOW man, you got burned.
>
> "Noah Body" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
> store
> > because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
> fins
> > off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
> Before
> > they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> > crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> > change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are
chased
> > constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
> walk,
> > these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> > young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> > actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........
> >
> > Noah
> > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> >
> >
>
>

[Happy'Cam'per]

:)....Why, whats in there?.....:)
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**


"Frank S" > wrote in message
...
> DON'T PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT TANK!!!!!!
>
> -Frank
>
>

[Colin]

I'd recommend that you stop attempting to punish a fish for your
>mistake and return them to the shop from where you got them.

very well said and excellent bit of education

[Keith J.]

Not all cichlids are aggressive. Angelfish, discus, rams, kribensis, and
many other cichlids are mild-tempered unless they are breeding.

Buying fish you are not familiar with is usually a bad idea, as you found
out the hard way. You should wonder WHY the fish are "on sale" before you
buy them too. Are they highly agressive ? Are they hard to care for ? Do
they grow to be huge? etc.

Most of the people here are happy to help anyone with questions. I strongly
suggest you do research on fish before you buy them, to avoid similar
problems in the future

Don't be embarrassed to ask questions, we were all new at this once. And
don't give up on fish keeping because of one bad experience. I've had
problems too, but I'm still keeping and enjoying fish 12 years later.

Have a better one;
Keith J.

[mike_tesao]

>I removed them and put them in the crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and
have them chased and bit for a
>change.

?? are you retarded ??
--


"Noah Body" > wrote in message
...
> I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
store
> because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
fins
> off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
Before
> they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are chased
> constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
walk,
> these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........
>
> Noah
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

[Frank S]

The KILLER CICHLIDS are in there!!! :) :) LOL!

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> :)....Why, whats in there?.....:)
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
>
> "Frank S" > wrote in message
> ...
> > DON'T PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT TANK!!!!!!
> >
> > -Frank
> >
> >
>
>

['nutherBob]

So THAT'S where my pinkie finger went last night when I cleaned the tank...
OMG!!

'nutherBob

"Frank S" > wrote in message
...
> The KILLER CICHLIDS are in there!!! :) :) LOL!
>
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
> ...
> > :)....Why, whats in there?.....:)
> > --
> > **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
> >
> >
> > "Frank S" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > DON'T PUT YOUR HAND IN THAT TANK!!!!!!
> > >
> > > -Frank
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wm Hopkins]

Hey folks, take a look at the orig. posters name and yahoo handle. Probably
just a troll.


"Noah Body" > wrote in message
...
> I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
store
> because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
fins
> off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
Before
> they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are chased
> constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
walk,
> these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........
>
> Noah
> Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

[Dave Painter]

Amateur > wrote in message
. com...
<snip Amateurs excellent advice>
> You owe them at least a half hour of research prior to purchasing
> them.
> I'd recommend that you stop attempting to punish a fish for your
mistake and
> return them to the shop from where you got them.

I would like to add that most respectable LFS will HOLD a fish for a nominal
deposit
for a week.

It works like this....
"Hey Mark, I like the look of that doozy in the corner. What is it?...
I think it would look good in my tank. Can you hold it for me while I
check it out?"
His reply... "Sure Dave 25% on the marked price buys you a week"

And if I decide that I don't want the fish then I get a credit note for my
money which will get used on food/chlorine remover or something, eventually.

Dave

[RedForeman ©®]

Probably??? can you say, "Dead ringer"???

everyone bought it, hook, line and sucker!!!!

btw, it wasn't me, as I don't reply to obvious trolls, except to make it
MORE obvious that its a troll....

--
RedForeman ©®




"Wm Hopkins" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Hey folks, take a look at the orig. posters name and yahoo handle.
Probably
> just a troll.
>
>
> "Noah Body" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have never ever owned a single cichlid, but I bought two at the fish
> store
> > because they were on sale. These fish have ripped the tails and dorsal
> fins
> > off of my puffer fish, my Cory catfish and anything else in the tank.
> Before
> > they kill everything in the tank, I removed them and put them in the
> > crayfish tank to teach them a lesson and have them chased and bit for a
> > change. The Cichlid are ruling the crayfish tank. The crayfish are
chased
> > constantly by the Cichlids. If they go near any food or come out for a
> walk,
> > these Cichlids attack like it's a life and death match. This is fish is
> > young and small, what is going to happen if it gets bigger? .. will they
> > actually kill crayfish? .. are they that vicious? ........
> >
> > Noah
> > Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> >
> >
>
>

[Amateur]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> Probably??? can you say, "Dead ringer"???
>
> everyone bought it, hook, line and sucker!!!!
>

Yep. I bought it. That's what happens when you scan through stuff in your spare
time.
Hopefully someday I can be as insightful as you Red. ;-)
AC

[RedForeman ©®]

amatuer, you know better, I'm being paid to surf the net... what else would
you do but spot trolls... it's better when you find one, investigate it,
learn it, and then get it kicked off it's ISP for trolling.... that's the
most fun....

worked just recently over in the reef group... got rid of their resident
troll... in a very mean kinda way....

--
RedForeman ©®




"Amateur" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Probably??? can you say, "Dead ringer"???
> >
> > everyone bought it, hook, line and sucker!!!!
> >
>
> Yep. I bought it. That's what happens when you scan through stuff in your
spare
> time.
> Hopefully someday I can be as insightful as you Red. ;-)
> AC
>
>

[Mark Stone]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message >...

> Probably??? can you say, "Dead ringer"???
>
> everyone bought it, hook, line and sucker!!!!
>

"Everyone" bought it? LOL! I don't see my name among the responses --
but I had a good time watching all of you responding to "Nobody" --
:-)

However, troll or no troll, I hopes that a lot of readers have learned
about doing proper research BEFORE purchasing fish and aquariums. Here
in Oscar land, there are so many people buying Oscar pairs for their
10 gallon fishtanks, and an equal amount of LFS "experts" allowing
this. A little research saves lives!

--Mark

Mark Stone tractorlegs at msn dot kom
OSCAR Lovers! http://www.geocities.com/cichlidiot_2000/oscar.html
The ".Edu" meens i are smart.