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July 10th 09, 05:03 AM
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:08:45 -0400, wrote:
>On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:37:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 7, 12:29*pm, wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:02:50 -0700 (PDT), WhiteTea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >On Jul 7, 10:23*am, wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT), WhiteTea
>>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >On Jul 7, 9:41*am, LouB > wrote:
>>> >> >> WhiteTea wrote:
>>> >> >> > On Jul 7, 8:16 am, "Colbyt" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> "WhiteTea" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> >> >> ...
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> I have some outlets and a light switch that have stopped working in
>>> >> >> >>> one room.
>>> >> >> >>> None of the breakers are tripped.
>>> >> >> >>> All I can think of is to shut off and then back on one breaker at a
>>> >> >> >>> time to isolate which one controls the non-functioning outlets and
>>> >> >> >>> switch.
>>> >> >> >>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>> >> >> >>> Andy
>>> >> >> >> I agree with that attempt. *Sometimes, not often, a breaker will trip and
>>> >> >> >> fail to show it fully.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Checking every GFIC in the house is also a good thing to do because this
>>> >> >> >> portion of the circuit might be after a GFIC that has tripped.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> If neither of those solve the problem then you have to trace the circuit
>>> >> >> >> looking for a loose connection.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Colbyt
>>>
>>> >> >> > I couldn't find any tripped GFCIs.
>>>
>>> >> >> > I recall having problems with a GFCI when I had a mobile home.
>>> >> >> > It kept tripping for no reason.
>>>
>>> >> >> > This is going to be fun.
>>>
>>> >> >> Are you sure the outlet is dead? *Maybe what is plugged into the outlet
>>> >> >> is sick.
>>>
>>> >> >I used a voltmeter.
>>>
>>> >> >I just found that 2 GFCIs had tripped, resetting got all the outlets
>>> >> >going.
>>>
>>> >> >I would like to know why they tripped.
>>>
>>> >> >As far as I can tell, the load at the time it tripped was 5.8 amps for
>>> >> >a frig and a small amount for a fish tank pump and light.
>>>
>>> >> >Andy
>>>
>>> >> The refrigerator should NOT be on a circuit with a GFCI.
>>>
>>> >> Your fishtank is a likely cause of the GFCI tripping.
>>>
>>> >See previous post.
>>>
>>> >I plugged the fish tank pump back into the same circuit.
>>> >Maybe with the fridge on a separate line, the pump won't trip.
>>>
>>> >If it was my house, I would have one dedicated wire and breaker just
>>> >for the garage outlets.
>>>
>>> >We'll see what happens.
>>>
>>> >Andy
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, you don't want anything with a motor on a GFCI. I
>>> don't think the fishtank pump motor is big enough to matter, though.
>>> The reason I suspect the fishtank for tripping the GFCI is the
>>> abundance of water and humidity involved. If the light fixture gets
>>> even slightly damp, it could trip the GFCI.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>FWIW, I ran 2 fishtanks on separate GFCI's for years without a single
>>trip.
>>
>>The tanks were in the kid's rooms. I assumed that if code calls for
>>GFCI's near any water (sink, shower, garage) then a light fixture in a
>>flimsy plastic housing hovering over 20 gallons of water would
>>certainly warrant protection, especially when kids are involved.
>
>Obviously, GFCI's, like fuses, shuld never trip unless there is a
>reason. Regardless of your very small sample group, fishtanks are
>frequently a cause of GFCI's tripping, for obvious reasons. Because of
>that potential, they should always be on a GFCI protected circuit.
Hmmm. Won't that likely kill tropical fish if the breaker trips and
isn't noticed soon? Especially if you are saying that they trip
frequently.
My Oscar broke his heater, which was encased in a big glass test tube,
and, I believe, died of the cold. I'd had him for a couple years.
Isn't there a better way to protect whatever is being protected, like
an isolation transformer big enough to power the pump and the heater
and the light but no bigger? Or some other method?
>On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 06:37:40 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> wrote:
>
>>On Jul 7, 12:29*pm, wrote:
>>> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:02:50 -0700 (PDT), WhiteTea
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >On Jul 7, 10:23*am, wrote:
>>> >> On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 08:21:12 -0700 (PDT), WhiteTea
>>>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >On Jul 7, 9:41*am, LouB > wrote:
>>> >> >> WhiteTea wrote:
>>> >> >> > On Jul 7, 8:16 am, "Colbyt" > wrote:
>>> >> >> >> "WhiteTea" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> >> >> ...
>>>
>>> >> >> >>> I have some outlets and a light switch that have stopped working in
>>> >> >> >>> one room.
>>> >> >> >>> None of the breakers are tripped.
>>> >> >> >>> All I can think of is to shut off and then back on one breaker at a
>>> >> >> >>> time to isolate which one controls the non-functioning outlets and
>>> >> >> >>> switch.
>>> >> >> >>> Any feedback appreciated.
>>> >> >> >>> Andy
>>> >> >> >> I agree with that attempt. *Sometimes, not often, a breaker will trip and
>>> >> >> >> fail to show it fully.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Checking every GFIC in the house is also a good thing to do because this
>>> >> >> >> portion of the circuit might be after a GFIC that has tripped.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> If neither of those solve the problem then you have to trace the circuit
>>> >> >> >> looking for a loose connection.
>>>
>>> >> >> >> Colbyt
>>>
>>> >> >> > I couldn't find any tripped GFCIs.
>>>
>>> >> >> > I recall having problems with a GFCI when I had a mobile home.
>>> >> >> > It kept tripping for no reason.
>>>
>>> >> >> > This is going to be fun.
>>>
>>> >> >> Are you sure the outlet is dead? *Maybe what is plugged into the outlet
>>> >> >> is sick.
>>>
>>> >> >I used a voltmeter.
>>>
>>> >> >I just found that 2 GFCIs had tripped, resetting got all the outlets
>>> >> >going.
>>>
>>> >> >I would like to know why they tripped.
>>>
>>> >> >As far as I can tell, the load at the time it tripped was 5.8 amps for
>>> >> >a frig and a small amount for a fish tank pump and light.
>>>
>>> >> >Andy
>>>
>>> >> The refrigerator should NOT be on a circuit with a GFCI.
>>>
>>> >> Your fishtank is a likely cause of the GFCI tripping.
>>>
>>> >See previous post.
>>>
>>> >I plugged the fish tank pump back into the same circuit.
>>> >Maybe with the fridge on a separate line, the pump won't trip.
>>>
>>> >If it was my house, I would have one dedicated wire and breaker just
>>> >for the garage outlets.
>>>
>>> >We'll see what happens.
>>>
>>> >Andy
>>>
>>> Generally speaking, you don't want anything with a motor on a GFCI. I
>>> don't think the fishtank pump motor is big enough to matter, though.
>>> The reason I suspect the fishtank for tripping the GFCI is the
>>> abundance of water and humidity involved. If the light fixture gets
>>> even slightly damp, it could trip the GFCI.- Hide quoted text -
>>>
>>> - Show quoted text -
>>
>>FWIW, I ran 2 fishtanks on separate GFCI's for years without a single
>>trip.
>>
>>The tanks were in the kid's rooms. I assumed that if code calls for
>>GFCI's near any water (sink, shower, garage) then a light fixture in a
>>flimsy plastic housing hovering over 20 gallons of water would
>>certainly warrant protection, especially when kids are involved.
>
>Obviously, GFCI's, like fuses, shuld never trip unless there is a
>reason. Regardless of your very small sample group, fishtanks are
>frequently a cause of GFCI's tripping, for obvious reasons. Because of
>that potential, they should always be on a GFCI protected circuit.
Hmmm. Won't that likely kill tropical fish if the breaker trips and
isn't noticed soon? Especially if you are saying that they trip
frequently.
My Oscar broke his heater, which was encased in a big glass test tube,
and, I believe, died of the cold. I'd had him for a couple years.
Isn't there a better way to protect whatever is being protected, like
an isolation transformer big enough to power the pump and the heater
and the light but no bigger? Or some other method?