Lemonpeel Angelfish

[Yukon[_2_]]

I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 20, 12:47*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.

Just like the other post there is NO ONE here that gives a flying
**** about your freaking fish. Slap it between twl slices of toasted
bread and maybe then somone here may care for a fish sandwhich, but
your ****ing into thw wind posting in any of the aquaria groups. They
are extinct like your brain is dead.

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Yukon > wrote:
> I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.

Yeah, I've had to clean out buttons several times. Still like the BakPak
skimmer/refugium combo; it's kept my psychedelic alive for about
5 years.

Mike

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 20, 7:17*pm, wrote:
> Yukon > wrote:
> > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> Yeah, I've had to clean out buttons several times. Still like the BakPak
> skimmer/refugium combo; it's kept my psychedelic alive for about
> 5 years.
>
> Mike

I liked the Bak-Pak. It worked great. In fact, I have two of them
boxed up in the garage. I just got tired of the noise. But they sure
worked well. My GSP's are spreading all over the back glass. Tank has
been operating for almost 18 years. Psychedelic's are cool.

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
> I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.

Would you care to share some pictures of the tank?
Thanks.

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 21, 11:42*am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> Would you care to share some pictures of the tank?
> Thanks.

Sure. Here's a 20 gallon that's been set up for 11 years - until last
month. The anemone was in there for 10 years. Then all of a sudden it
started breaking down last month and was gone in a few days. 100 watts
of PC and a 2 gallon weekly water change kept it going for all those
years. As you can see, no coral algae ever formed. I just did water
changes and let it go. I called it my ugly tank. I never bothered with
checking water parameters except for salinity because it did so well
and quadrupled in size. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
Anyway, I put the clown in another tank and just did a major water
change on it and have left the lights off for a week. I'm not sure if
I'll get another anemone or something else entirely. Possibly
seahorses. Here's a pic of that tank - the first pic being when it
started. I'll post some of the 55 gal soon.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/mclown1-1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/anemone1.jpg

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 21, 1:50*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 21, 11:42*am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>
> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> > Would you care to share some pictures of the tank?
> > Thanks.
>
> Sure. Here's a 20 gallon that's been set up for 11 years - until last
> month. The anemone was in there for 10 years. Then all of a sudden it
> started breaking down last month and was gone in a few days. 100 watts
> of PC and a 2 gallon weekly water change kept it going for all those
> years. As you can see, no coral algae ever formed. I just did water
> changes and let it go. I called it my ugly tank. I never bothered with
> checking water parameters except for salinity because it did so well
> and quadrupled in size. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
> Anyway, I put the clown in another tank and just did a major water
> change on it and have left the lights off for a week. I'm not sure if
> I'll get another anemone or something else entirely. Possibly
> seahorses. Here's a pic of that tank - the first pic being when it
> started. I'll post some of the 55 gal soon.http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/mclown1-1.jpghttp://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/anemone1.jpg

Here's a couple of early ones when I first set up the 55. I'll try to
find more recent ones.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/tank1.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/tank.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/aq2.jpg
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/aq1.jpg

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Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 21, 11:42?am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> >
> > ...
> >
> > > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
> >
> > Would you care to share some pictures of the tank?
> > Thanks.

> Sure. Here's a 20 gallon that's been set up for 11 years - until last
> month. The anemone was in there for 10 years. Then all of a sudden it
> started breaking down last month and was gone in a few days. 100 watts
> of PC and a 2 gallon weekly water change kept it going for all those
> years. As you can see, no coral algae ever formed. I just did water
> changes and let it go. I called it my ugly tank. I never bothered with
> checking water parameters except for salinity because it did so well
> and quadrupled in size. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
> Anyway, I put the clown in another tank and just did a major water
> change on it and have left the lights off for a week. I'm not sure if
> I'll get another anemone or something else entirely. Possibly
> seahorses. Here's a pic of that tank - the first pic being when it
> started. I'll post some of the 55 gal soon.
> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/mclown1-1.jpg
> http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/anemone1.jpg

I noticed a couple bubble algae in the background; how'd you keep them from
getting out of hand?

Mike

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 21, 5:49*pm, wrote:
> Yukon > wrote:
> > On Feb 21, 11:42?am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > > > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > > > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > > > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > > > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > > > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > > > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > > > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> > > Would you care to share some pictures of the tank?
> > > Thanks.
> > Sure. Here's a 20 gallon that's been set up for 11 years - until last
> > month. The anemone was in there for 10 years. Then all of a sudden it
> > started breaking down last month and was gone in a few days. 100 watts
> > of PC and a 2 gallon weekly water change kept it going for all those
> > years. As you can see, no coral algae ever formed. I just did water
> > changes and let it go. I called it my ugly tank. I never bothered with
> > checking water parameters except for salinity because it did so well
> > and quadrupled in size. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, right?
> > Anyway, I put the clown in another tank and just did a major water
> > change on it and have left the lights off for a week. I'm not sure if
> > I'll get another anemone or something else entirely. Possibly
> > seahorses. Here's a pic of that tank - the first pic being when it
> > started. I'll post some of the 55 gal soon.
> >http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/mclown1-1.jpg
> >http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s273/Yukon_03/anemone1.jpg
>
> I noticed a couple bubble algae in the background; how'd you keep them from
> getting out of hand?
>
> Mike

To tell you the truth, I never really did much. I picked a few off by
hand, but when some of them started to burst, I quit trying and let
nature take it's course. The only shrimp I had in there was a coral
banded, and they supposedly don't touch it. The pincusion urchin use
to mow over anything - maybe that helped. I haven't seen any bubble
algae in there for years.

[chaniarts]

Yukon wrote:
> I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.

i bought a used 125g tank with a cinnemon clown in 1993. the previous owner
had the tank/clown for 7 years before i got it, and i still have both.

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 22, 9:58*am, "chaniarts" >
wrote:
> Yukon wrote:
> > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> i bought a used 125g tank with a cinnemon clown in 1993. the previous owner
> had the tank/clown for 7 years before i got it, and i still have both.

Looks like ****ing ****.........

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 22, 10:58*am, "chaniarts" >
wrote:
> Yukon wrote:
> > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> i bought a used 125g tank with a cinnemon clown in 1993. the previous owner
> had the tank/clown for 7 years before i got it, and i still have both.

That is an old clown. You must be doing something right. I just feed
mine flake 90% of the time.

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 22, 11:32*am, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 22, 10:58*am, "chaniarts" >
> wrote:
>
> > Yukon wrote:
> > > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
> > > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
> > > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
> > > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
> > > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
> > > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
> > > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
> > > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>
> > i bought a used 125g tank with a cinnemon clown in 1993. the previous owner
> > had the tank/clown for 7 years before i got it, and i still have both.
>
> That is an old clown. You must be doing something right. I just feed
> mine flake 90% of the time.

Quit wanking off in the water dude.

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> wrote:
>> Yukon wrote:
>> > I was just checking my records and noticed my Lemonpeel angel is over
>> > 11 years old. Pretty good, I'd say. He's spent all his life in the
>> > same 55 gallon tank with no skimmer or filtration. Took off the Bak-
>> > Pak skimmer over 8 years ago and never looked back. Just live rock and
>> > lots of powerheads. Normal output lighting only. Mushrooms and GSP's
>> > taking over the tank. Tankmates include a blenny, coral bannded
>> > shrimp, and a yellow tailed damsel, though they are all only 5 years
>> > old. Can't get a more basic tank than that.
>>
>> i bought a used 125g tank with a cinnemon clown in 1993. the previous
>> owner
>> had the tank/clown for 7 years before i got it, and i still have both.

Marine fish seem to live much longer than some freshwater fish
we used to see in freshwater tanks...
Mine fishtank is not that old, I set up my reef in 2002, but I have
also not lost a single fish from the first buy: 2 maroon clowns
(breeding regularly now), hepatus tang, royal gramma.
Lots of bubble tip anemones, overgrowing the tank volume...
I also have 2 maroon clowns in the other tank grown from the
other pair's fry. And the young also breed (between brother & sister!!!).

> That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.

I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.

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Pszemol > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > wrote:

> > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.

> I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.

Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.

Mike

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 9:58*am, wrote:
> Pszemol > wrote:
> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> ....
> > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > > wrote:
> > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>
> Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
> Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> Mike

Mike and Pszemol -
I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 23, 12:59*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 9:58*am, wrote:
>
> > Pszemol > wrote:
> > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> > ....
> > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> > > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> > > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>
> > Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
> > Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> > Mike
>
> Mike and Pszemol -
> I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?

Puke in the tank and let them eat the ****ing chunks.

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Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 9:58?am, wrote:
> > Pszemol > wrote:
> > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> > > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> > > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
> >
> > Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
> > Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
> >
> > Mike

> Mike and Pszemol -
> I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?

I've had mine for about 6-7 years. I'd like to get rid of him, actually;
he's VERY territorial :-)

Mike

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 23, 9:58 am, wrote:
>> Pszemol > wrote:
>> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
>> > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
>> > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
>> > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>>
>> Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
>> Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> Mike and Pszemol -
> I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?

Yes, but they are adults now... :-)

I have traded almost all 70 survivers about 1.5" each to the local stores.

Kept the last 4 smallest ones and put them in two separate small tanks.

One pair died after unfortunate feeding with some suspected live brine
shrimp but the other pair is doing well in my second tank (10g only!)
and they now breeding, too. In fact they deposited new eggs yesterday
evening on the rock under a large rose bubble-tip anemone.

So I had the pleasure to observe the full life cycle of these fish, from
tiny,
almost invisible fry, then the funny-swimming larvae and now adults.

[Pszemol]

> wrote in message
...
> Yukon > wrote:
>> On Feb 23, 9:58?am, wrote:
>> > Pszemol > wrote:
>> > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts"
>> > > > >
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
>> > > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
>> > > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
>> > > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>> >
>> > Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
>> > Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
>> Mike and Pszemol -
>> I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
>> though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
>
> I've had mine for about 6-7 years. I'd like to get rid of him, actually;
> he's VERY territorial :-)

Is this fish alone in the tank? If so, it is not "him", it is "her" :-)
Get her a mate and then, when they start breeding, you will
know what the word "territorial" really means if you put your
hand into the tank while cleaning their tank interior :-)

Beautiful and intelligent fish...
My pair grow up together with other two fish in the 58g
Oceanic tank (royal gramma and hepatus tang). They are
doing just fine, not bothering other fish except the basslet but even that
only if it swims too close to the nest while occupied with eggs.

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 6:05*pm, wrote:
> Yukon > wrote:
> > On Feb 23, 9:58?am, wrote:
> > > Pszemol > wrote:
> > > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > > > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> > > > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> > > > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition..
>
> > > Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up..
> > > Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> > > Mike
> > Mike and Pszemol -
> > I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> > though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
>
> I've had mine for about 6-7 years. I'd like to get rid of him, actually;
> he's VERY territorial :-)
>
> Mike

LOL! Yep, my one maroon is very mean. I don't even like to put my
hands in the tank - he attacks immediately.

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 23, 7:12*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 9:58 am, wrote:
> >> Pszemol > wrote:
> >> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> >> > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> >> > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> >> > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>
> >> Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
> >> Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> > Mike and Pszemol -
> > I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> > though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
>
> Yes, but they are adults now... :-)
>
> I have traded almost all 70 survivers about 1.5" each to the local stores..
>
> Kept the last 4 smallest ones and put them in two separate small tanks.
>
> One pair died after unfortunate feeding with some suspected live brine
> shrimp but *the other pair is doing well in my second tank (10g only!)
> and they now breeding, too. In fact they deposited new eggs yesterday
> evening on the rock under a large rose bubble-tip anemone.
>
> So I had the pleasure to observe the full life cycle of these fish, from
> tiny,
> almost invisible fry, then the funny-swimming larvae and now adults.

That's very impressive! Maybe I should try that in my 20 gallon.

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Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 23, 6:05?pm, wrote:
> > Yukon > wrote:
> > > On Feb 23, 9:58?am, wrote:
> > > > Pszemol > wrote:
> > > > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > > > > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> > > > > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> > > > > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
> >
> > > > Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
> > > > Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
> >
> > > > Mike
> > > Mike and Pszemol -
> > > I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> > > though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
> >
> > I've had mine for about 6-7 years. I'd like to get rid of him, actually;
> > he's VERY territorial :-)
> >
> > Mike

> LOL! Yep, my one maroon is very mean. I don't even like to put my
> hands in the tank - he attacks immediately.

I put my large net over the sebae, and he hides under it; only way I can
get my hand in the tank.

Mike

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
> On Feb 23, 7:12 pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 23, 9:58 am, wrote:
>> >> Pszemol > wrote:
>> >> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts"
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
>> >> > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
>> >> > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
>> >> > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>>
>> >> Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
>> >> Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>>
>> > Mike and Pszemol -
>> > I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
>> > though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
>>
>> Yes, but they are adults now... :-)
>>
>> I have traded almost all 70 survivers about 1.5" each to the local
>> stores.
>>
>> Kept the last 4 smallest ones and put them in two separate small tanks.
>>
>> One pair died after unfortunate feeding with some suspected live brine
>> shrimp but the other pair is doing well in my second tank (10g only!)
>> and they now breeding, too. In fact they deposited new eggs yesterday
>> evening on the rock under a large rose bubble-tip anemone.
>>
>> So I had the pleasure to observe the full life cycle of these fish, from
>> tiny,
>> almost invisible fry, then the funny-swimming larvae and now adults.
>
> That's very impressive! Maybe I should try that in my 20 gallon.

Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality...
It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 23, 1:11*pm, A Paul Ing >
wrote:
> On Feb 23, 12:59*pm, Yukon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 9:58*am, wrote:
>
> > > Pszemol > wrote:
> > > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts" >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> > > > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> > > > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> > > > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition..
>
> > > Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up..
> > > Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> > > Mike
>
> > Mike and Pszemol -
> > I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> > though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
>
> Puke in the tank and let them eat the ****ing chunks.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 24, 8:33*am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
>
>
> > On Feb 23, 7:12 pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> >> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> >> > On Feb 23, 9:58 am, wrote:
> >> >> Pszemol > wrote:
> >> >> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> > > On Feb 22, 10:58 am, "chaniarts"
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > wrote:
> >> >> > > That is an old clown. You must be doing something right.
> >> >> > > I just feed mine flake 90% of the time.
> >> >> > I think you should feed him some mixed frozen food like krill,
> >> >> > mysids, etc. Flakes every day might not be giving him all nutrition.
>
> >> >> Flake foods are pretty good these days, especially if you mix them up.
> >> >> Still, they do like the occassional burst of frozen shrimp.
>
> >> > Mike and Pszemol -
> >> > I do feed them frozen Marine Cuisine once in a while. Mostly flake
> >> > though. Hey Psz - do you actually have baby maroons you've raised?
>
> >> Yes, but they are adults now... :-)
>
> >> I have traded almost all 70 survivers about 1.5" each to the local
> >> stores.
>
> >> Kept the last 4 smallest ones and put them in two separate small tanks..
>
> >> One pair died after unfortunate feeding with some suspected live brine
> >> shrimp but *the other pair is doing well in my second tank (10g only!)
> >> and they now breeding, too. In fact they deposited new eggs yesterday
> >> evening on the rock under a large rose bubble-tip anemone.
>
> >> So I had the pleasure to observe the full life cycle of these fish, from
> >> tiny,
> >> almost invisible fry, then the funny-swimming larvae and now adults.
>
> > That's very impressive! Maybe I should try that in my 20 gallon.
>
> Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
> of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
> cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
> in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality...
> It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
> up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
> fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
> big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
> But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
> they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)

I might just try it. I raised freshwater angels for years - years ago.
Too bad I got rid of all the breeder tanks.

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
>> Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
>> of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
>> cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
>> in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality...
>> It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
>> up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
>> fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
>> big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
>> But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
>> they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)
>
> I might just try it. I raised freshwater angels for years - years ago.
> Too bad I got rid of all the breeder tanks.

Read about the proper diet rich in fatty acids to avoid my mistake
which caused my fish to massively die due to the "sudden death
syndrome", which was caused by fish suffering from their under
developed nervous system.

I tried to rise them only once using two batches of eggs/fry...
Out of couple thousand fry from two batches only 60-70 fish
survived my first attempt. Massive die off in first couple of weeks.

Due to the amount of time and work involved also large space
required for tanks, water changes, air pumps, etc (I just rent a small
appartment so no room for experiments like these) I have never
repeated my attempt after this first, successful one.

Be prepared with some problems with unloading large amounts
of fish -- it is hard to find local places where you can give them
10 small fish every week and it is not worth it to ship them :-)

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 24, 3:03*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
> >> of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
> >> cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
> >> in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality...
> >> It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
> >> up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
> >> fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
> >> big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
> >> But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
> >> they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)
>
> > I might just try it. I raised freshwater angels for years - years ago.
> > Too bad I got rid of all the breeder tanks.
>
> Read about the proper diet rich in fatty acids to avoid my mistake
> which caused my fish to massively die due to the "sudden death
> syndrome", which was caused by fish suffering from their under
> developed nervous system.
>
> I tried to rise them only once using two batches of eggs/fry...
> Out of couple thousand fry from two batches only 60-70 fish
> survived my first attempt. Massive die off in first couple of weeks.
>
> Due to the amount of time and work involved also large space
> required for tanks, water changes, air pumps, etc (I just rent a small
> appartment so no room for experiments like these) I have never
> repeated my attempt after this first, successful one.
>
> Be prepared with some problems with unloading large amounts
> of fish -- it is hard to find local places where you can give them
> 10 small fish every week and it is not worth it to ship them :-)

I had 20 tanks set up for breeding angelfish. It was fun for a while,
but like you said, after the first few batches sold to the pet store,
they couldn't take them anymore. And maintaining that many tanks,
especially during power failures, was quite a hassle.

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 25, 6:23*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 24, 3:03*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
snip a bunch of bulls ****

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 25, 7:23*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 24, 3:03*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> > >> Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
> > >> of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
> > >> cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
> > >> in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality...
> > >> It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
> > >> up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
> > >> fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
> > >> big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
> > >> But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
> > >> they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)
>
> > > I might just try it. I raised freshwater angels for years - years ago..
> > > Too bad I got rid of all the breeder tanks.
>
> > Read about the proper diet rich in fatty acids to avoid my mistake
> > which caused my fish to massively die due to the "sudden death
> > syndrome", which was caused by fish suffering from their under
> > developed nervous system.
>
> > I tried to rise them only once using two batches of eggs/fry...
> > Out of couple thousand fry from two batches only 60-70 fish
> > survived my first attempt. Massive die off in first couple of weeks.
>
> > Due to the amount of time and work involved also large space
> > required for tanks, water changes, air pumps, etc (I just rent a small
> > appartment so no room for experiments like these) I have never
> > repeated my attempt after this first, successful one.
>
> > Be prepared with some problems with unloading large amounts
> > of fish -- it is hard to find local places where you can give them
> > 10 small fish every week and it is not worth it to ship them :-)
>
> I had 20 tanks set up for breeding angelfish. It was fun for a while,
> but like you said, after the first few batches sold to the pet store,
> they couldn't take them anymore. And maintaining that many tanks,
> especially during power failures, was quite a hassle.

Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 25, 8:18*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 25, 7:23*pm, Yukon > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 3:03*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>
> > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > >> Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
> > > >> of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
> > > >> cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
> > > >> in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality....
> > > >> It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
> > > >> up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
> > > >> fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
> > > >> big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
> > > >> But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
> > > >> they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)
>
> > > > I might just try it. I raised freshwater angels for years - years ago.
> > > > Too bad I got rid of all the breeder tanks.
>
> > > Read about the proper diet rich in fatty acids to avoid my mistake
> > > which caused my fish to massively die due to the "sudden death
> > > syndrome", which was caused by fish suffering from their under
> > > developed nervous system.
>
> > > I tried to rise them only once using two batches of eggs/fry...
> > > Out of couple thousand fry from two batches only 60-70 fish
> > > survived my first attempt. Massive die off in first couple of weeks.
>
> > > Due to the amount of time and work involved also large space
> > > required for tanks, water changes, air pumps, etc (I just rent a small
> > > appartment so no room for experiments like these) I have never
> > > repeated my attempt after this first, successful one.
>
> > > Be prepared with some problems with unloading large amounts
> > > of fish -- it is hard to find local places where you can give them
> > > 10 small fish every week and it is not worth it to ship them :-)
>
> > I had 20 tanks set up for breeding angelfish. It was fun for a while,
> > but like you said, after the first few batches sold to the pet store,
> > they couldn't take them anymore. And maintaining that many tanks,
> > especially during power failures, was quite a hassle.
>
> Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here Yukon, suck on this and maybe it will take down your tension and
esae your mind about high powerbills just to keep a ****ing fish.
****ing numbnuts.

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 25, 9:18*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 25, 7:23*pm, Yukon > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 24, 3:03*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>
> > > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> > ....
>
> > > >> Be prepared for hundreds, thousands of fry and massive amounts
> > > >> of food like rotifers, later artemia & cyclopeeze. 20 gallons might
> > > >> cause big water problems later, with growing fish. My 60 grow up
> > > >> in 30 gallons and I had never-ending problems with water quality....
> > > >> It is best to prepare several tanks and group fish when they grow
> > > >> up by size, to keep in one tank fish of similar size. Otherwise they
> > > >> fight too much. A lot of work for about half a year before they are
> > > >> big enough to bring them to the fish store or give away to people.
> > > >> But you can learn a lot and have a lot of fun and satisfaction when
> > > >> they survive in reasonable quantities... Go for it! :-)
>
> > > > I might just try it. I raised freshwater angels for years - years ago.
> > > > Too bad I got rid of all the breeder tanks.
>
> > > Read about the proper diet rich in fatty acids to avoid my mistake
> > > which caused my fish to massively die due to the "sudden death
> > > syndrome", which was caused by fish suffering from their under
> > > developed nervous system.
>
> > > I tried to rise them only once using two batches of eggs/fry...
> > > Out of couple thousand fry from two batches only 60-70 fish
> > > survived my first attempt. Massive die off in first couple of weeks.
>
> > > Due to the amount of time and work involved also large space
> > > required for tanks, water changes, air pumps, etc (I just rent a small
> > > appartment so no room for experiments like these) I have never
> > > repeated my attempt after this first, successful one.
>
> > > Be prepared with some problems with unloading large amounts
> > > of fish -- it is hard to find local places where you can give them
> > > 10 small fish every week and it is not worth it to ship them :-)
>
> > I had 20 tanks set up for breeding angelfish. It was fun for a while,
> > but like you said, after the first few batches sold to the pet store,
> > they couldn't take them anymore. And maintaining that many tanks,
> > especially during power failures, was quite a hassle.
>
> Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.

One of the reasons it was so high was instead of one big air pump, I
used 5 smaller ones. Next time, it would be one big one.

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
>> Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.
>
> One of the reasons it was so high was instead of one big air pump,
> I used 5 smaller ones. Next time, it would be one big one.

Come on... :-)

I cannot imagine air pumps, even 5 of them, making a significant
difference in a whole-house electric bill... What are they consuming?
3 Watt each?

Running 5 of them 24/7 would be about 5x3W = 15W, times 720
hours in a month gives 10800 Wh. With the average price 10 cents
per kWh you would pay about 11x10cents, which is about 1 dollar
and 10 cents per month, and you probably pay less than 10c/kWh :-)

I would rather look at lights and heaters, especially if the tanks
where located in a cold basement...

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 27, 11:54*am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> >> Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.
>
> > One of the reasons it was so high was instead of one big air pump,
> > I used 5 smaller ones. Next time, it would be one big one.
>
> Come on... :-)
>
> I cannot imagine air pumps, even 5 of them, making a significant
> difference in a whole-house electric bill... What are they consuming?
> 3 Watt each?
>
> Running 5 of them 24/7 would be about 5x3W = 15W, times 720
> hours in a month gives 10800 Wh. With the average price 10 cents
> per kWh you would pay about 11x10cents, which is about 1 dollar
> and 10 cents per month, and you probably pay less than 10c/kWh :-)
>
> I would rather look at lights and heaters, especially if the tanks
> where located in a cold basement...

Sorry - forgot to mention - all the tanks had separate lights and
heaters too. And they were in a basement. If I did it again, I have a
heated room for everything.

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 27, 11:36*am, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 27, 11:54*am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> > >> Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.
>
> > > One of the reasons it was so high was instead of one big air pump,
> > > I used 5 smaller ones. Next time, it would be one big one.
>
> > Come on... :-)
>
> > I cannot imagine air pumps, even 5 of them, making a significant
> > difference in a whole-house electric bill... What are they consuming?
> > 3 Watt each?
>
> > Running 5 of them 24/7 would be about 5x3W = 15W, times 720
> > hours in a month gives 10800 Wh. With the average price 10 cents
> > per kWh you would pay about 11x10cents, which is about 1 dollar
> > and 10 cents per month, and you probably pay less than 10c/kWh :-)
>
> > I would rather look at lights and heaters, especially if the tanks
> > where located in a cold basement...
>
> Sorry - forgot to mention - all the tanks had separate lights and
> heaters too. And they were in a basement. If I did it again, I have a
> heated room for everything.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 27, 12:36*pm, Yukon > wrote:
> On Feb 27, 11:54*am, "Pszemol" > wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ....
>
> > >> Forgot to mention - the electric bill was pretty high too.
>
> > > One of the reasons it was so high was instead of one big air pump,
> > > I used 5 smaller ones. Next time, it would be one big one.
>
> > Come on... :-)
>
> > I cannot imagine air pumps, even 5 of them, making a significant
> > difference in a whole-house electric bill... What are they consuming?
> > 3 Watt each?
>
> > Running 5 of them 24/7 would be about 5x3W = 15W, times 720
> > hours in a month gives 10800 Wh. With the average price 10 cents
> > per kWh you would pay about 11x10cents, which is about 1 dollar
> > and 10 cents per month, and you probably pay less than 10c/kWh :-)
>
> > I would rather look at lights and heaters, especially if the tanks
> > where located in a cold basement...
>
> Sorry - forgot to mention - all the tanks had separate lights and
> heaters too. And they were in a basement. If I did it again, I have a
> heated room for everything.

I just went out in the garage and checked - I still have all that
equipment boxed up. I thought I threw it out years ago.

[Pszemol]

"Yukon" > wrote in message
...
> I just went out in the garage and checked - I still have all that
> equipment boxed up. I thought I threw it out years ago.

Perfect time to go back to breeding attempts! ;-)

[A Paul Ing]

On Feb 27, 10:04*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I just went out in the garage and checked - I still have all that
> > equipment boxed up. I thought I threw it out years ago.
>
> Perfect time to go back to breeding attempts! ;-)

[Yukon[_2_]]

On Feb 27, 11:04*pm, "Pszemol" > wrote:
> "Yukon" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > I just went out in the garage and checked - I still have all that
> > equipment boxed up. I thought I threw it out years ago.
>
> Perfect time to go back to breeding attempts! ;-)

Yep - gonna have to think about it.

[eoncook]

This is really great. In fact, I have two, one Boxed in the garage. I'm just tired of the noise. But they certainly
Working well.

[roggerbiny]

liked the Bak-Pak. It formed great. In fact, I accept two of them boxed up in the garage. I just got annoyed of the noise. But they sure worked well. My GSP's are overextension all over the aback glass. Tank has been operating for about 18 years. Psychedelic's are cool.

[wilsongrady]

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