Re: Fat ryukin

[Gunther]

In article >,
says...
> Hi
>
> I have a medium-sized ryukin, that recently seems to have put on weight.
> Although he/she seems happy enough I am worried that there might be
> something wrong. His/her belly seems swollen and uncommonly rounded, now
> more like my pearlscale's shape than before and the scales seem to be
> standing out slightly. When I lifted him/her out for a few seconds the other
> day the belly didn't seem solid, but squishy, although I didn't put any
> pressure on. I have been feeding veggies for 2 days now, just incase there
> was any constipation (they all love their veggies). Does anyone have any
> other ideas... could it be an infection and if so would there be any other
> symptoms.

Scales standing out = dropsy = "pine-cone disease"
You have my sympathies. You'll get lots of pointers
to pseudo-cures which may help.

Gunther

[Tom La Bron]

Nicola,

Ingrid and Gunther are both right. Ingrid cure works, the only problem is
that once a fish goes dropsy it is likely to do it in the future. If you
can under stand Ingrid's explanation give me a holler and I will send you
mine, sometimes mine are easier to understand. I am a little more detailed
in the explanation than she is, you have to remember, is always in hurry.
Helpful, but in a hurry. Kind of like the hare in Through the Looking
Glass.


Tom L.L.
======================
"NicolaFoster" > wrote in message
...
> Hi
>
> I have a medium-sized ryukin, that recently seems to have put on weight.
> Although he/she seems happy enough I am worried that there might be
> something wrong. His/her belly seems swollen and uncommonly rounded, now
> more like my pearlscale's shape than before and the scales seem to be
> standing out slightly. When I lifted him/her out for a few seconds the
other
> day the belly didn't seem solid, but squishy, although I didn't put any
> pressure on. I have been feeding veggies for 2 days now, just incase there
> was any constipation (they all love their veggies). Does anyone have any
> other ideas... could it be an infection and if so would there be any other
> symptoms.
>
> Thanks for your help
> Nicola
>
>

[NicolaFoster]

Hi

Yes, after reading up about dropsy, I immediatly thought it might be eggs. I
had not seen fishy poop for a few days but had seen a string of white egg
coating-looking stuff, so yesterday I moved fishy into hospital tank with
temp up. Difficult if not impossible to buy medication in UK (other than
liquid water treatments for minor ailments) and even medicated food is
tricky .. perhaps from specialist stores (not within easy drive from me and
open after 5pm when I finish work), vet would laugh at you here if you
presented him/her with a goldfish.
Anyway I think fishy was too far gone (teach me to go on fornight holiday
for first time in years, even with reliable friend following clear
instructions during time away) and turned belly-up possibly from stress of
being moved from his/her friends in big tank to small solo-fish tank, etc.
died during night.

First experience of dropsy in over a years' fish keeping, but now know how
to spot symptoms.
Thanks for all your help! All other fishies looking good.

Nicola


solorr.xx.com> wrote in message
...
>
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/puregold/disease/symptom/byname.htm#drops
y
> it is dropsy and this is not a "psuedo-cure".. it does work. a mushy
belly is not
> good. get oxolinic acid if you can and run that temp up fast. it is a
bacterial
> problem, could be infected eggs. be sure to read everything about dropsy
at the
> site. Ingrid
>
> "NicolaFoster" > wrote:
>
> >I have a medium-sized ryukin, that recently seems to have put on weight.
> >Although he/she seems happy enough I am worried that there might be
> >something wrong. His/her belly seems swollen and uncommonly rounded, now
> >more like my pearlscale's shape than before and the scales seem to be
> >standing out slightly. When I lifted him/her out for a few seconds the
other
> >day the belly didn't seem solid, but squishy, although I didn't put any
> >pressure on. I have been feeding veggies for 2 days now, just incase
there
> >was any constipation (they all love their veggies). Does anyone have any
> >other ideas... could it be an infection and if so would there be any
other
> >symptoms.
> >
> >Thanks for your help
> >Nicola
> >
>
>
>
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[Nona]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:57:18 -0500, "Tom La Bron" >
wrote:

>Nicola,
>
>Ingrid and Gunther are both right. Ingrid cure works, the only problem is
>that once a fish goes dropsy it is likely to do it in the future. If you
>can under stand Ingrid's explanation give me a holler and I will send you
>mine, sometimes mine are easier to understand. I am a little more detailed
>in the explanation than she is, you have to remember, is always in hurry.
>Helpful, but in a hurry. Kind of like the hare in Through the Looking
>Glass.
>

I had a GF that died with ascites - swollen belly without pineconing.
I did everything that was suggested and ultimately nothing worked. It
sounds like ascites may be caused by kidney damage, but what would
cause kidney damage in the first place?

Nona (another foodie and hapa)

[[email protected]]

ascites without pineconing is still basically untreatable. kidneys can be damaged by
infection and toxins. Ingrid

Nona > wrote:
>I had a GF that died with ascites - swollen belly without pineconing.
>I did everything that was suggested and ultimately nothing worked. It
>sounds like ascites may be caused by kidney damage, but what would
>cause kidney damage in the first place?
>
>Nona (another foodie and hapa)



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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.