Sudden plant deaths

[Martin A. Gross]

Group,

Four days ago, I started losing my Mint Bacopa, Sunset Hygrophila,
Wisteria, and Red Ludwigia. Two days ago, I discovered that my heater was
no longer working. The water temperature was only 68F. I, of course,
immediately bought a new heater. Considering the timing, this is certainly
a plausible cause I would think. However, I do not see improvements in the
remaining Sunset Hygrophila (Again, this is day two). Their new leaves are
small and very pale - completely unlike the large, wavy, bright pink leaves
that I have come to know. Also, I have a Dwarf Lilly in the aquarium which
was not affected. Since it is a rooted plant, I was curious to know if it
was getting a mineral from the substrate that was not available to the stem
plants. However, like I said, this was sudden, not over a period of time as
I would expect to see if it were a mineral deficiency. Just incase, I upped
my dosage of Seachem Flourish, but the only improvement I saw was in the
green algae on my driftwood.
So what does everyone think? Is the failed heater truly to blame, or
did something else, coincidentally, go wrong at the same time? If it was
the heater, will the remaining plants start producing leaves normally again,
or should I replace them?
For current water parameters, lighting, filtration, and pictures of the
aquarium from a week ago, visit my website at
http://marting83.tripod.com/aquarium.htm

In advance, thanks for your help,
Martin

[Dunter Powries]

68° isn't cold enough to harm your plants although it may slow their growth
somewhat. The ludwigia in particular should continue to grow satisfactorily
at that temperature. I keep my tanks at about 72° (or even a little less)
because I find it does inhibit the algae. My angels would prefer warmer
water but, then, they bitch about everything, the little *******s. In
general, your plants will grow at temperatures lower than your fish will
tolerate - in other words, you're fish will be visibly distressed before
your plants stop growing. It might nudge your lily into a dormant stage,
though.


Martin A. Gross > wrote in message
m...
> Group,
>
> Four days ago, I started losing my Mint Bacopa, Sunset Hygrophila,
> Wisteria, and Red Ludwigia. Two days ago, I discovered that my heater was
> no longer working. The water temperature was only 68F. I, of course,
> immediately bought a new heater. Considering the timing, this is
certainly
> a plausible cause I would think. However, I do not see improvements in
the
> remaining Sunset Hygrophila (Again, this is day two). Their new leaves
are
> small and very pale - completely unlike the large, wavy, bright pink
leaves
> that I have come to know. Also, I have a Dwarf Lilly in the aquarium
which
> was not affected. Since it is a rooted plant, I was curious to know if it
> was getting a mineral from the substrate that was not available to the
stem
> plants. However, like I said, this was sudden, not over a period of time
as
> I would expect to see if it were a mineral deficiency. Just incase, I
upped
> my dosage of Seachem Flourish, but the only improvement I saw was in the
> green algae on my driftwood.
> So what does everyone think? Is the failed heater truly to blame, or
> did something else, coincidentally, go wrong at the same time? If it was
> the heater, will the remaining plants start producing leaves normally
again,
> or should I replace them?
> For current water parameters, lighting, filtration, and pictures of
the
> aquarium from a week ago, visit my website at
> http://marting83.tripod.com/aquarium.htm
>
> In advance, thanks for your help,
> Martin
>
>

[Carlos]

for the ludwigia and hygro the temperature was just under the edge, 68 F is
the limit, are u sure the temperature didnt went under? for the bacopa the
recommended min is 72 F, so check how many days it was went you discovered
your damaged heater.

it think your plants will recover if the leaves were only damaged and the
temperature wasnt that low for many days.

good luck.


"Dunter Powries" > wrote in message
...
> 68° isn't cold enough to harm your plants although it may slow their
growth
> somewhat. The ludwigia in particular should continue to grow
satisfactorily
> at that temperature. I keep my tanks at about 72° (or even a little less)
> because I find it does inhibit the algae. My angels would prefer warmer
> water but, then, they bitch about everything, the little *******s. In
> general, your plants will grow at temperatures lower than your fish will
> tolerate - in other words, you're fish will be visibly distressed before
> your plants stop growing. It might nudge your lily into a dormant stage,
> though.
>
>
> Martin A. Gross > wrote in message
> m...
> > Group,
> >
> > Four days ago, I started losing my Mint Bacopa, Sunset Hygrophila,
> > Wisteria, and Red Ludwigia. Two days ago, I discovered that my heater
was
> > no longer working. The water temperature was only 68F. I, of course,
> > immediately bought a new heater. Considering the timing, this is
> certainly
> > a plausible cause I would think. However, I do not see improvements in
> the
> > remaining Sunset Hygrophila (Again, this is day two). Their new leaves
> are
> > small and very pale - completely unlike the large, wavy, bright pink
> leaves
> > that I have come to know. Also, I have a Dwarf Lilly in the aquarium
> which
> > was not affected. Since it is a rooted plant, I was curious to know if
it
> > was getting a mineral from the substrate that was not available to the
> stem
> > plants. However, like I said, this was sudden, not over a period of time
> as
> > I would expect to see if it were a mineral deficiency. Just incase, I
> upped
> > my dosage of Seachem Flourish, but the only improvement I saw was in the
> > green algae on my driftwood.
> > So what does everyone think? Is the failed heater truly to blame,
or
> > did something else, coincidentally, go wrong at the same time? If it
was
> > the heater, will the remaining plants start producing leaves normally
> again,
> > or should I replace them?
> > For current water parameters, lighting, filtration, and pictures of
> the
> > aquarium from a week ago, visit my website at
> > http://marting83.tripod.com/aquarium.htm
> >
> > In advance, thanks for your help,
> > Martin
> >
> >
>
>

[Martin A. Gross]

Actually, the only plant that actually died WAS the Bacopa. The Ludwiga
lost a large number of leaves, but appears to be better just thismorning -
regaining it's Red coloration on new leaves. As for the Hygrophila, I'm
still concerned. It's continues to produce pale, upside down leaves (With
the exception of 2 stems) .
To answer your question Carlos, no, I'm not sure that 68F was the lowest
temperature. That was the temperature when I noticed the heater was not
working. I, unfortunately, have no way of knowing how long the heater was
broken before I noticed the problem.

Martin


"Carlos" > wrote in message
...
> for the ludwigia and hygro the temperature was just under the edge, 68 F
is
> the limit, are u sure the temperature didnt went under? for the bacopa
the
> recommended min is 72 F, so check how many days it was went you discovered
> your damaged heater.
>
> it think your plants will recover if the leaves were only damaged and the
> temperature wasnt that low for many days.
>
> good luck.
>
>
> "Dunter Powries" > wrote in message
> ...
> > 68° isn't cold enough to harm your plants although it may slow their
> growth
> > somewhat. The ludwigia in particular should continue to grow
> satisfactorily
> > at that temperature. I keep my tanks at about 72° (or even a little
less)
> > because I find it does inhibit the algae. My angels would prefer warmer
> > water but, then, they bitch about everything, the little *******s. In
> > general, your plants will grow at temperatures lower than your fish will
> > tolerate - in other words, you're fish will be visibly distressed before
> > your plants stop growing. It might nudge your lily into a dormant
stage,
> > though.
> >
> >
> > Martin A. Gross > wrote in message
> > m...
> > > Group,
> > >
> > > Four days ago, I started losing my Mint Bacopa, Sunset Hygrophila,
> > > Wisteria, and Red Ludwigia. Two days ago, I discovered that my heater
> was
> > > no longer working. The water temperature was only 68F. I, of course,
> > > immediately bought a new heater. Considering the timing, this is
> > certainly
> > > a plausible cause I would think. However, I do not see improvements
in
> > the
> > > remaining Sunset Hygrophila (Again, this is day two). Their new
leaves
> > are
> > > small and very pale - completely unlike the large, wavy, bright pink
> > leaves
> > > that I have come to know. Also, I have a Dwarf Lilly in the aquarium
> > which
> > > was not affected. Since it is a rooted plant, I was curious to know if
> it
> > > was getting a mineral from the substrate that was not available to the
> > stem
> > > plants. However, like I said, this was sudden, not over a period of
time
> > as
> > > I would expect to see if it were a mineral deficiency. Just incase, I
> > upped
> > > my dosage of Seachem Flourish, but the only improvement I saw was in
the
> > > green algae on my driftwood.
> > > So what does everyone think? Is the failed heater truly to blame,
> or
> > > did something else, coincidentally, go wrong at the same time? If it
> was
> > > the heater, will the remaining plants start producing leaves normally
> > again,
> > > or should I replace them?
> > > For current water parameters, lighting, filtration, and pictures
of
> > the
> > > aquarium from a week ago, visit my website at
> > > http://marting83.tripod.com/aquarium.htm
> > >
> > > In advance, thanks for your help,
> > > Martin
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>