Rams Problem

[Amit]

My Rams saga continues ;-)
My 100gallon planted tank with cardinals and 20 Amano shrimps.
Week ago introducing 8 Rams -> Amano shrimps are missing.
Today - One dead Ram and another one infected with bubble-eye. - Removed to
isolation.
Other Rams are happy as it seems for now - no other stress signs observed.
I know that this is caused by the build up of toxic gases that enter the eye
shell, but my water are fine with normal readings of all parameters.
Is there a way to treat this. (Only once I was able to cure one fish with an
5% Argyrol solution - but I think it is an old remedy these days.
Suggestions ???

Amit Brucker



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[Sandy]

Amit wrote:
> My Rams saga continues ;-)
> My 100gallon planted tank with cardinals and 20 Amano shrimps.
> Week ago introducing 8 Rams -> Amano shrimps are missing.
> Today - One dead Ram and another one infected with bubble-eye. -
> Removed to isolation.

> days. Suggestions ???
>
> Amit Brucker

Try the links below and see if they help.

http://aquariumhobbyist.com/artoffishkeeping/disease.html

http://www.solodvds.com/Pop-Eye.asp

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/popeyefaqs.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/blues/fish_problems/POPEYE.html


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[RedForeman ©®]

I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them,
but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep
alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus
or just up and die...

If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a
place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams...

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1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
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1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
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"Amit" > wrote in message
...
> My Rams saga continues ;-)
> My 100gallon planted tank with cardinals and 20 Amano shrimps.
> Week ago introducing 8 Rams -> Amano shrimps are missing.
> Today - One dead Ram and another one infected with bubble-eye. - Removed
to
> isolation.
> Other Rams are happy as it seems for now - no other stress signs observed.
> I know that this is caused by the build up of toxic gases that enter the
eye
> shell, but my water are fine with normal readings of all parameters.
> Is there a way to treat this. (Only once I was able to cure one fish with
an
> 5% Argyrol solution - but I think it is an old remedy these days.
> Suggestions ???
>
> Amit Brucker
>
>
>
> --
>
> Amit Brucker
>
> + 972 9 7766466 Ext. 651
> + 972 66 626625
>
>

[RedForeman ©®]

hardier???

> Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead...
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE
>> them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER
>> tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they
>> develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die...
>>
>> If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I
>> find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m
>> over Rams...
>>
>> --
>> RedForeman ©®

--
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streetfighter!!!

==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[RedForeman ©®]

I've seen them around here just recently, but wondered if they'd fair the
same way....

> Try Mikrogeophagus altispinosa instead...
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE
>> them, but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER
>> tried to keep alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they
>> develop popeye, some fungus or just up and die...
>>
>> If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I
>> find a place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m
>> over Rams...
>>
>> --
>> RedForeman ©®

--
RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
streetfighter!!!

==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[Dave Millman]

"RedForeman ©®" wrote:

> I can only say this about Rams, they suck... I love, absolutely LOVE them,
> but they suck... They are the hardest fish I've EVER, EVER tried to keep
> alive... I'll give them maybe a month, then they develop popeye, some fungus
> or just up and die...
>
> If I ever have a chance, I'd love another crack at them, but until I find a
> place that can get and keep them for any length of time, I"m over Rams...

Of course there are those who will disagree, just as there are those who can
breed Discus in conditions resembling Lake Tanganyika, but Rams are soft, acidic
water fish. They seem a bit harder to aclimate than most. It breaks my heart
when I go to the local wholesaler and see 200 tanks of moderately healthy fish
plus 5 tanks of dead rams floatin in our local rock-hard water.

Most fish can be aclimated, but Rams seem to need more TLC during aclimation.

[Happy'Cam'per]

> Most fish can be aclimated, but Rams seem to need more TLC during
aclimation.

Dave, right on the money there. I would even go as far as acclimating them
as do the marine guys. A long and tedious process but the fish will benefit
greatly.

Red, you need to assess the state of your LFS's tanks. I would say the
biggest culprit would be water quality. The rams probably go into osmotic
shock and then over the next few days/weeks slowly dwindle away. In my my
part of the woods Rams are pretty expensive so acclimating them slowly was
the way to go for me. You could also try Bolivian Rams, not as colourful but
also an equally wonderful fish. I bought 6 and one died ;( The rest are
thriving in my tank, a much hardier species IMO. hth
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**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

>

[RedForeman ©®]

> Red, you need to assess the state of your LFS's tanks. I would say the
> biggest culprit would be water quality. The rams probably go into
> osmotic shock and then over the next few days/weeks slowly dwindle
> away. In my my part of the woods Rams are pretty expensive so
> acclimating them slowly was the way to go for me. You could also try
> Bolivian Rams, not as colourful but also an equally wonderful fish. I
> bought 6 and one died ;( The rest are thriving in my tank, a much
> hardier species IMO. hth

Most of the blue rams I got were online purchases, and it was my mistake by
getting them from the same place twice...

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streetfighter!!!

==========================
2003 TRX450ES
1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
1987 TRX250R (sold)
1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
1995 TRX300ex (sold)
2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
'98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
==========================
ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
"By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
whichever is greater, for each violation."

If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).

[Amit]

Bubble eye Ram died... (At least when it was quarantined)
I have still 6 left - One is itching all the time...go figure what this is
;-)
The 'big' issue today was that I was able to see one Amano shrimp but it
disappear after a short while....
Maybe they are still hiding some place...
As for the Rams they are locally grown in HARD water.... imported Rams would
survive in my tank only for about a week....

Amit

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> > Red, you need to assess the state of your LFS's tanks. I would say the
> > biggest culprit would be water quality. The rams probably go into
> > osmotic shock and then over the next few days/weeks slowly dwindle
> > away. In my my part of the woods Rams are pretty expensive so
> > acclimating them slowly was the way to go for me. You could also try
> > Bolivian Rams, not as colourful but also an equally wonderful fish. I
> > bought 6 and one died ;( The rest are thriving in my tank, a much
> > hardier species IMO. hth
>
> Most of the blue rams I got were online purchases, and it was my mistake
by
> getting them from the same place twice...
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
> streetfighter!!!
>
> ==========================
> 2003 TRX450ES
> 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
> 1987 TRX250R (sold)
> 1987 CBR600 Hurricane (sold)
> 1987 VFR700 Interceptor (sold)
> 1995 TRX300ex (sold)
> 2000 CBR600F4 silver/red (sold) *sniff*sniff*
> '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
> ==========================
> ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
> "By US Code Title 47, Sec.227(a)(2)(B), a computer/modem/printer
> meets the definition of a telephone fax machine. By Sec.227(b)(1)(C),
> it is unlawful to send any unsolicited advertisement to such equipment.
> By Sec.227(b)(3)(C), a violation of the aforementioned Section is
> punishable by action to recover actual monetary loss, or $500,
> whichever is greater, for each violation."
>
> If you do send me unsolicited e-mail I will proof-read it at a rate
> of $100 per hour (4 hour minimum).
>
>