Lead weights for plants

[RedForeman ©®]

I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of lead at a
time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it in.

My current ideas are, using 1"x1" wood, and fastening it to make a series of
steps, X's or triangular shaped ridges /\/\/\/\/\ in some fashion, cap on
both ends, and pour the lead into the valleys, and cool, extract, lay on
sheet of "_____________" to resist sticking, and heat in oven till a temp
that allows the metal to be mallable. Use rolling pin to flatten, and
orient them to the same size, cut off the ends, and shape as needed...

As you can see, I've got the idea worked out but need the blank filled in..
Also, if you can help make the mold, or improve upon it, I'll make some
strips for you too... btw, I've got 40lbs of lead...

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is that better??

[GloFish]

On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:28:12 -0400, "RedForeman ©®"
> wrote:

>I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of lead at a
>time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it in.
>
>My current ideas are, using 1"x1" wood, and fastening it to make a series of
>steps, X's or triangular shaped ridges /\/\/\/\/\ in some fashion, cap on
>both ends, and pour the lead into the valleys, and cool, extract, lay on
>sheet of "_____________" to resist sticking, and heat in oven till a temp
>that allows the metal to be mallable. Use rolling pin to flatten, and
>orient them to the same size, cut off the ends, and shape as needed...
>
>As you can see, I've got the idea worked out but need the blank filled in..
>Also, if you can help make the mold, or improve upon it, I'll make some
>strips for you too... btw, I've got 40lbs of lead...


Marble butting board.... or granite..... in the pastry kitchen we use
a large piece of granite about an inch thick to cool cooked sugar and
chocolate....

The lead shouldn't stick, and often can get leftovers from local
quarries or cabinet makers.... those kitchen counters do break on
occasion....

As for the mold.... I used to do this long long ago for wishing
weights - lead strips, just like we use for plants... I used sand,
although all I did was pour it flat and cut the strips out using a
razor knife and a T-square.

hope that inspires something useful.


--Tony

[Crusader]

Isn`t the lead a poison?

"GloFish" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 18 May 2004 09:28:12 -0400, "RedForeman ©®"
> > wrote:
>
> >I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of lead at
a
> >time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it in.
> >
> >My current ideas are, using 1"x1" wood, and fastening it to make a series
of
> >steps, X's or triangular shaped ridges /\/\/\/\/\ in some fashion, cap on
> >both ends, and pour the lead into the valleys, and cool, extract, lay on
> >sheet of "_____________" to resist sticking, and heat in oven till a temp
> >that allows the metal to be mallable. Use rolling pin to flatten, and
> >orient them to the same size, cut off the ends, and shape as needed...
> >
> >As you can see, I've got the idea worked out but need the blank filled
in..
> >Also, if you can help make the mold, or improve upon it, I'll make some
> >strips for you too... btw, I've got 40lbs of lead...
>
>
> Marble butting board.... or granite..... in the pastry kitchen we use
> a large piece of granite about an inch thick to cool cooked sugar and
> chocolate....
>
> The lead shouldn't stick, and often can get leftovers from local
> quarries or cabinet makers.... those kitchen counters do break on
> occasion....
>
> As for the mold.... I used to do this long long ago for wishing
> weights - lead strips, just like we use for plants... I used sand,
> although all I did was pour it flat and cut the strips out using a
> razor knife and a T-square.
>
> hope that inspires something useful.
>
>
> --Tony

[RedForeman ©®]

|| I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of
|| lead at a time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it
|| in.

I think I've found my mold... If this works, I'll make enough for the whole
group, for cost of shipping 50 or so.... we'll find a way to make it
work...

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is that better??

[RedForeman ©®]

http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread.cfm?threadid=24126&messages=19

Scroll down to read a bunch of article/posts from other shooters, who have
all done this, and been around it for over 20 years... I myself have been
doing it for almost 20 years...

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is that better??

[Scott Rogahn]

I load pistol ammo for league use. Both kids have been tested part of
normal yearly check up with no problems. I have never been tested. I do
take the precaution of emptying my case cleaner outside away from the house.
I also wash immediately after handling the tumbling media or lead bullets.

This is way off topic, but what the hell
Scott

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.trapshooters.com/cfpages/thread.cfm?threadid=24126&messages=19
>
> Scroll down to read a bunch of article/posts from other shooters, who have
> all done this, and been around it for over 20 years... I myself have been
> doing it for almost 20 years...
>
> --
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> streetfighter!!! ==========================
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> 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
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>
>
> is that better??
>
>

[Sir Douglas Cook]

I am just guessing but I would use a cast iron pot to
melt the lead in. And I would try:

First!!!!!!!
Plaster of Paris.
First make a master of what you want in wax.
Then make a copy using plaster of Paris.
Then pour lead into your plaster mold.
Note: If your end product has and odd shape you
won't feel bad about breaking the plaster mold away.
Although, I have used plastic dividers in the making
of the mold and when it dries I remove the plastic dividers
and use rubber (inner tube for bike tires, cut in strips)
I use plaster of Paris in this manner to make plaster
sand castles...

Second!!!!!!!!
I worked in a foundry,,, making large electrical brass equipment found in
high voltage boxes.
First we would use a sand that was mixed with
(I would guess, oil) until it would clump together when
squeezed in your hand under pressure. Not unlike
checking the soil in your garden.
The sand was put into these buckets and made level with the top edge by
dragging a stick across the top.
Then you would take your master and press it into the sand mix and remove
it, making a mold. And later pouring the lead, or brass.
A more complex mold was made by using dividers and straws were added to the
master as pouring spouts.
If you need more information I would be more than
happy to converse with you. If you don't mind my spelling..

I hope this helps

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"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of lead at
a
> time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it in.
>
> My current ideas are, using 1"x1" wood, and fastening it to make a series
of
> steps, X's or triangular shaped ridges /\/\/\/\/\ in some fashion, cap on
> both ends, and pour the lead into the valleys, and cool, extract, lay on
> sheet of "_____________" to resist sticking, and heat in oven till a temp
> that allows the metal to be mallable. Use rolling pin to flatten, and
> orient them to the same size, cut off the ends, and shape as needed...
>
> As you can see, I've got the idea worked out but need the blank filled
in..
> Also, if you can help make the mold, or improve upon it, I'll make some
> strips for you too... btw, I've got 40lbs of lead...
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
> streetfighter!!! ==========================
> 2003 TRX450ES
> 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
> '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
> ==========================
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>
>
> is that better??
>
>

[Dinky]

"Crusader" > wrote in message
...
| Isn`t the lead a poison?
|


This topic has been gone through pretty heavily here, and the
concensus generally reached is that it doesn't break down in
freshwater at a high enough rate to cause a problem. But Red should
avoid eating the lead during his project.<g>

[Charles Spitzer]

lead is absorbed via breathing or ingestion. it isn't absorbed through the
skin unless you have a break in the skin.

"Sir Douglas Cook" > wrote in message
. ..
> That is true, some added information on lead.
> Some Stain Glass workers use gloves as
> the lead can be absorbed through the skin.
>
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> "Dinky" > wrote in message
> k.net...
> >
> >
> > "Crusader" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > | Isn`t the lead a poison?
> > |
> >
> >
> > This topic has been gone through pretty heavily here, and the
> > concensus generally reached is that it doesn't break down in
> > freshwater at a high enough rate to cause a problem. But Red should
> > avoid eating the lead during his project.<g>
> >
> >
>
>

[Sir Douglas Cook]

That is true, some added information on lead.
Some Stain Glass workers use gloves as
the lead can be absorbed through the skin.

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"Dinky" > wrote in message
k.net...
>
>
> "Crusader" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Isn`t the lead a poison?
> |
>
>
> This topic has been gone through pretty heavily here, and the
> concensus generally reached is that it doesn't break down in
> freshwater at a high enough rate to cause a problem. But Red should
> avoid eating the lead during his project.<g>
>
>

[skozzy]

If you want thin flat strips then pour the lead onto a marble surface, as
it's cooling run a roller over it, once set then use a guillotine to cut it.

Otherwise you use aluminium. Making sinkers for fishing is done with
aluminium molds.



"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
...
> I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of lead at
a
> time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it in.
>
> My current ideas are, using 1"x1" wood, and fastening it to make a series
of
> steps, X's or triangular shaped ridges /\/\/\/\/\ in some fashion, cap on
> both ends, and pour the lead into the valleys, and cool, extract, lay on
> sheet of "_____________" to resist sticking, and heat in oven till a temp
> that allows the metal to be mallable. Use rolling pin to flatten, and
> orient them to the same size, cut off the ends, and shape as needed...
>
> As you can see, I've got the idea worked out but need the blank filled
in..
> Also, if you can help make the mold, or improve upon it, I'll make some
> strips for you too... btw, I've got 40lbs of lead...
>
> --
> RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
> streetfighter!!! ==========================
> 2003 TRX450ES
> 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
> '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
> ==========================
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>
>
> is that better??
>
>

[Charles Spitzer]

references? i work in the stained glass industry. it's pretty commonly known
that almost all lead is ingested or inhaled. osha doesn't require gloves
when working with lead, although they do require, in certain cases,
respirators.

in actuality, the only reference to skin in the osha regulation is because
of possible skin irritation and not absorption.

http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10030


"Sir Douglas Cook" > wrote in message
. ..
> Sorry, but it is a fact that lead is absorbed through unbroken skin.
> In the same manner as a patch for smoking.
>
> Although, I don't have a wimis data sheet on me.
>
> --
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> "Charles Spitzer" > wrote in message
> ...
> > lead is absorbed via breathing or ingestion. it isn't absorbed through
the
> > skin unless you have a break in the skin.
> >
> > "Sir Douglas Cook" > wrote in
message
> > . ..
> > > That is true, some added information on lead.
> > > Some Stain Glass workers use gloves as
> > > the lead can be absorbed through the skin.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Sir Douglas Cook
> > >
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> > > "Dinky" > wrote in message
> > > k.net...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Crusader" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > | Isn`t the lead a poison?
> > > > |
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > This topic has been gone through pretty heavily here, and the
> > > > concensus generally reached is that it doesn't break down in
> > > > freshwater at a high enough rate to cause a problem. But Red should
> > > > avoid eating the lead during his project.<g>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[The Outcaste]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 13:38:07 -0700, "Charles Spitzer"
> bubbled forth the following:

>references? i work in the stained glass industry. it's pretty commonly known
>that almost all lead is ingested or inhaled. osha doesn't require gloves
>when working with lead, although they do require, in certain cases,
>respirators.
>
>in actuality, the only reference to skin in the osha regulation is because
>of possible skin irritation and not absorption.
>
>http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS&p_id=10030
>
From http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/lead/

"Most exposures occur with inorganic lead. Organic (tetraethyl and
tetramethyl) lead, which was added to gasoline up until the late
1970s, is not commonly encountered. Organic forms may be absorbed
through the skin, while inorganic forms cannot."

However the ERP says recent research indicates that inorganic lead may
be absorbed thru the skin. They do not list references though.

See this page under Dermal Absorption:
http://www.epa.nsw.gov.au/leadsafe/leadinf3.htm

Further, this article from the "Journal of the Australasian College of
Nutritional & Environmental Medicine, Vol. 15, No. 2, December 1996,
pages 11-12." shows that inorganic lead can be absorbed through the
skin, and even worse, lead absorbed this way may not show up in the
blood:
"By applying solutions of the stable lead isotope Pb-204 to the skin
of volunteers and measuring the increase in Pb-204 in blood, we were
able to show that skin-absorbed lead has a very short residence time
in blood3. The ability of lead salts to enter the body through the
skin without significantly raising blood lead has important
implications for occupational health control, because measurement of
lead in blood is the prime technique for monitoring lead exposure.
Surveys of workers in lead industries such as lead battery manufacture
showed that many of them had very high levels of lead in sweat, even
those who had retired or who had been away on leave for several
weeks1. Workers in lead industries often wear masks to avoid
inhalation of lead, but rarely have skin protection. Some lead battery
workers have their skin covered with a layer of finely powdered
lead/metal oxide1. Both lead metal and lead oxide were found to
dissolve in sweat and pass through the skin1-3."

The full article is here:
http://www.acnem.org/journal/15-2_december_1996/skin_absorption_of_lead.htm

I always thought the main danger from handling lead is that particles
that adhere to the skin may be ingested or inhaled by touching the
mouth or nose, or via transfer to a cigarette, then inhaled. Looks
like we may have to re-think that.

HTH

Jerry

[Sir Douglas Cook]

Sorry, but it is a fact that lead is absorbed through unbroken skin.
In the same manner as a patch for smoking.

Although, I don't have a wimis data sheet on me.

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"Charles Spitzer" > wrote in message
...
> lead is absorbed via breathing or ingestion. it isn't absorbed through the
> skin unless you have a break in the skin.
>
> "Sir Douglas Cook" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > That is true, some added information on lead.
> > Some Stain Glass workers use gloves as
> > the lead can be absorbed through the skin.
> >
> > --
> > Sir Douglas Cook
> >
> > http://www.greyspace.bravehostNOSPAM.com/
> > Remove "NOSPAM" for correct address
> > London Ontario Canada
> > Aquarium Maintenance Man for Hire
> >
> >
> > "Dinky" > wrote in message
> > k.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > "Crusader" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > | Isn`t the lead a poison?
> > > |
> > >
> > >
> > > This topic has been gone through pretty heavily here, and the
> > > concensus generally reached is that it doesn't break down in
> > > freshwater at a high enough rate to cause a problem. But Red should
> > > avoid eating the lead during his project.<g>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[NetMax]

I think he has a supply of lead-tin alloy and an interest in utilizing
it. If all he really needed was lead weight for plants, I'd send him
some. I buy it in 10 lb spools and give it away at work. Making your
own sounds like much more fun ;~)
--
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"skozzy" > wrote in message
...
> If you want thin flat strips then pour the lead onto a marble surface,
as
> it's cooling run a roller over it, once set then use a guillotine to
cut it.
>
> Otherwise you use aluminium. Making sinkers for fishing is done with
> aluminium molds.
>
>
>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I have a lead melter/burner device that melts about a US pound of
lead at
> a
> > time. I'd like to find out how to make a mold to shape it in.
> >
> > My current ideas are, using 1"x1" wood, and fastening it to make a
series
> of
> > steps, X's or triangular shaped ridges /\/\/\/\/\ in some fashion,
cap on
> > both ends, and pour the lead into the valleys, and cool, extract, lay
on
> > sheet of "_____________" to resist sticking, and heat in oven till a
temp
> > that allows the metal to be mallable. Use rolling pin to flatten,
and
> > orient them to the same size, cut off the ends, and shape as
needed...
> >
> > As you can see, I've got the idea worked out but need the blank
filled
> in..
> > Also, if you can help make the mold, or improve upon it, I'll make
some
> > strips for you too... btw, I've got 40lbs of lead...
> >
> > --
> > RedForeman ©® future fabricator and creator of a ratbike
> > streetfighter!!! ==========================
> > 2003 TRX450ES
> > 1992 TRX-350 XX (For Sale)
> > '98 Tacoma Ext Cab 4X4 Lifted....
> > ==========================
> > ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø,¸¸¸,ø¤° `°¤ø,¸¸,ø¤°`°¤ø
> >
> >
> > is that better??
> >
> >
>
>