Re: Enlarging my pond, please advise

[bjt]

I'm glad (and a bit surprised) to hear that some folks have had success
joining two liners together. I tried to join a small pond and a big pond
and it was a two year disaster. In retrospect I guess I never did it
'right'.

If you do it make very very very sure that both liners are 100% clean...and
then clean them again!

Brian Tarbox



"Sue Alexandre" > wrote in message
news:NTSOa.57869$G6.41418@lakeread04...
> Good luck, Ice. Sounds like you're well on your way to a new and
improved
> pond! Will you be seaming the two liners together while the old one
is
> still in the pond, or will you be completely removing it? I tried to do
> mine without taking it out, and had to deal with folds and creases, but
> other than being more difficult that way, I still think it worked OK. Get
> yourself a 2" x 4" board or something straight and rigid and place that
> under the area you're seaming so you can press down hard and get a good,
> tight seam. They never mentioned on the directions anything about the
> ideal temperature for performing this task, but I found the day I used it
> (completely sunny and in the 90's) was actually too hot to be working
> successfully with it, especially on BLACK liners. As I mentioned, the
> sticky part of the seaming tape is like tar, and it became TOO gooey and
> sticky to work with easily in that kind of heat. I actually found myself
> rubbing ice cubes on the paper portion to get it to "let go" of the black
> tar. Good luck - I'm sure you'll do fine.
> Sue
> "IceEros" > wrote in message
> s.com...
> > I have found that "seam tape" Sue, thank you for your advice. It has
> > been recommended by others too so i'm gonna go for it....
> > To buy that tape is gonna cost me no more £25 while to buy a whole new
> > liner for the size I need is gonna cost me £276!!!!!
> > Already I have to give away the old (OLD!!!!! are not even 4 months)
> > pump,filter and UV almost for nothing, at least I can keep the liner. I
> > know is a chance I take trying to glue the old and new liner together
> > but is worth taking it.
> > 276-25 = £251. I add another £140 and I can buy a new pump, UV, vortex
> > and filter for the new pond.
> > Once again thanks for the advice Sue....i'm gonna "stick" with the
> > tape...:)
> > --
> > IceEros
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> >
>
>

[jammer]

As far as the color of the liner, i think it will be growing a thin
coat of green anyway, so i'm not sure it would matter.

I could be wrong, of course.





On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:52:02 GMT, IceEros
> wrote:

>I used to be indecisive........now I'm not sure anymore.....:D
>I have turned around and (hopefully) FINALLY decided to go for liner in
>one piece. The reason for that is because I've found a source that sell
>at factory price, butyl 0.75mm liner with 35 years guarantee. I am
>willing to pay their price which is 3 times cheaper than the one found
>in any shop. Another reason for going for one piece liner is because
>I'm kinda fed up with black liner and the company I found sells liner
>in black, green, sky blue and sandstone. Which gives me another
>dilema....sandstone or skyblue???????????. I am still waiting for the
>samples so (maybe) when I get them may be easier to take my decision.
>Skyblue brings the best color in fish(most of shows use blue liner for
>koi display) and I am very tempted BUT may look ugly like hell if the
>whole garden in context. Sandstone may blend better with the rest of
>the garden.....anyway.....i will see.
>Regarding your question Sue, I was going to take out the old liner
>altogether anyway. Mainly because I am gonna increase the depth of the
>pond (now at an average of 2.5ft and i want to go an average of 5ft).
>Actually that was my intention in the first place but my gf stopped me
>at that time. Four months later, 5 more books red and £800 spent on 4
>fishes she has decided to sacrifice half of the garden in favour of
>fish. So back to the drawing board ( I meant to the shovel!!!!). From
>500 gallon pond to 5000 gallons pond is a big jump. Also a big jump
>(read NOSEDIVE) in our bank account as the whole filtration system
>needs changed and the new one is gonna cost about £1800. Anyway I have
>pics of the garden the way it was 5 months ago, the way is now and as
>soon as i'm done I will make a website with all the steps taken.
>To all the people who decided to reply to my thread a big thank you.

[IceEros]

I used to be indecisive........now I'm not sure anymore.....:D
I have turned around and (hopefully) FINALLY decided to go for liner in
one piece. The reason for that is because I've found a source that sell
at factory price, butyl 0.75mm liner with 35 years guarantee. I am
willing to pay their price which is 3 times cheaper than the one found
in any shop. Another reason for going for one piece liner is because
I'm kinda fed up with black liner and the company I found sells liner
in black, green, sky blue and sandstone. Which gives me another
dilema....sandstone or skyblue???????????. I am still waiting for the
samples so (maybe) when I get them may be easier to take my decision.
Skyblue brings the best color in fish(most of shows use blue liner for
koi display) and I am very tempted BUT may look ugly like hell if the
whole garden in context. Sandstone may blend better with the rest of
the garden.....anyway.....i will see.
Regarding your question Sue, I was going to take out the old liner
altogether anyway. Mainly because I am gonna increase the depth of the
pond (now at an average of 2.5ft and i want to go an average of 5ft).
Actually that was my intention in the first place but my gf stopped me
at that time. Four months later, 5 more books red and £800 spent on 4
fishes she has decided to sacrifice half of the garden in favour of
fish. So back to the drawing board ( I meant to the shovel!!!!). From
500 gallon pond to 5000 gallons pond is a big jump. Also a big jump
(read NOSEDIVE) in our bank account as the whole filtration system
needs changed and the new one is gonna cost about £1800. Anyway I have
pics of the garden the way it was 5 months ago, the way is now and as
soon as i'm done I will make a website with all the steps taken.
To all the people who decided to reply to my thread a big thank you.
--
IceEros
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[jammer]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:38 GMT, IceEros
> wrote:

>I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
>after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
>cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color

I dont know if without scrubbing it, that would be possible, and we
aren't supposed to scrub it, right??

[IceEros]

I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color
--
IceEros
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>>I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
>>after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
>>cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color
>
>I dont know if without scrubbing it, that would be possible, and we
>aren't supposed to scrub it, right??

That's right, jammer, after all it's a pond, not a swimming pool for
people. Black liner will make any pond look deep and mysterious, and
covers a whole hosts of sins like folds plus it doesn't clash with the
color green = algae. Not to mention, it doesn't reflect light, so the only
thing that does is the living jewels swiming around within and above the
liner. ~ jan

PS. I could only see the poster's posts via jammer's replies.

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[John Rutz]

jammer wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 23:11:38 GMT, IceEros
> > wrote:
>
>
>>I'm afraid that you are not wrong at all Jammer and that may be the case
>>after a while. I dont think I will be prepared to use the vaccum
>>cleaner at least twice a week to keep the liner at original color
>
>
> I dont know if without scrubbing it, that would be possible, and we
> aren't supposed to scrub it, right??


-- I vote for the sandstone at least while it shows it will loook natural





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Z5 New Mexico

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