Is it legal? (plant acquisition)

[LN \(remove NOSPAM\)]

Is it legal to take pond plants from a local pond?

I have a Pickerel weed (given to me by a friend who was thinning theirs) and
would like more. My local pond has a TON. As a matter of fact, it has more
plant life than it ever has. Starting to look clogged. Tons of water lilies
as well. Is it illegal to take plants from a pond? Do I have to pay the $ to
get them at the not so local water nursery?

I don't want to do anything illegal here, so I'm checking. Who would I ask
locally to find out for sure? I'm not sure the police would know about that
sort of thing, would they?

--
LN in S.NH

[bobkiely]

I have a feeling if you called the police to ask them they would give you
the short, quick answer, "NO".

I think you need to find out who takes care of the pond. If it is a
municipal pond like we have several here I'd try the Parks and Recreation
Department.

You're on the right track and frame of mind when you say, "Starting to look
clogged." When you call them don't simply ask if you can pull some out for
your pond but tell them that you have noticed that the Pickerel weed in that
pond looks like its out of control and you wondered if anyone would care if
you as a citizen volunteer would help thin it out before it completely takes
over the pond?

If that doesn't work, ask them for the name and phone # for the actual guy
(caretaker) who maintains the pond and just ask him if you could have some.
If he's going to be there in the near future, ask him if you could meet him
there.

This used to be so easy before the invention of lawyers. <<<How many things
could that sentence be applied to?

Good Luck,
BK


"LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
...
> Is it legal to take pond plants from a local pond?
>
> I have a Pickerel weed (given to me by a friend who was thinning theirs)
and
> would like more. My local pond has a TON. As a matter of fact, it has more
> plant life than it ever has. Starting to look clogged. Tons of water
lilies
> as well. Is it illegal to take plants from a pond? Do I have to pay the $
to
> get them at the not so local water nursery?
>
> I don't want to do anything illegal here, so I'm checking. Who would I ask
> locally to find out for sure? I'm not sure the police would know about
that
> sort of thing, would they?
>
> --
> LN in S.NH
>
>

[K30a]

go to your state webpage and find a department that looks good. You'll probably
have to call.


k30a

[BenignVanilla]

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
...
> Is it legal to take pond plants from a local pond?
>
> I have a Pickerel weed (given to me by a friend who was thinning theirs)
and
> would like more. My local pond has a TON. As a matter of fact, it has more
> plant life than it ever has. Starting to look clogged. Tons of water
lilies
> as well. Is it illegal to take plants from a pond? Do I have to pay the $
to
> get them at the not so local water nursery?
>
> I don't want to do anything illegal here, so I'm checking. Who would I ask
> locally to find out for sure? I'm not sure the police would know about
that
> sort of thing, would they?

In addition to ponding, I like to rock climb, a new passion. When I have
gone out doors to new locations, I have often called ahead to local
authorities to see it was an allowed area. Nobody ever had answers. So I
gave up and just started climbing. If it's naughty, they'll tell me, and I
will politely leave.

I would assume that if this "local" pond is not on private property, nobody
is going to bother you if you take a few plants, especially if it is
crowded. And if they do, I bet a simple polite, "I didn't think I was doing
harm." would suffice.

BV.

[Wendy Kelly Budd]

What's that old saying? "It's easier to receive forgiveness, than seek
permission."

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"America did not invent human rights. In a very real sense, it is the other
way around. Human rights invented America." Jimmy Carter


"BenignVanilla" > wrote in message
...
> "LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Is it legal to take pond plants from a local pond?
> >
> > I have a Pickerel weed (given to me by a friend who was thinning theirs)
> and
> > would like more. My local pond has a TON. As a matter of fact, it has
more
> > plant life than it ever has. Starting to look clogged. Tons of water
> lilies
> > as well. Is it illegal to take plants from a pond? Do I have to pay the
$
> to
> > get them at the not so local water nursery?
> >
> > I don't want to do anything illegal here, so I'm checking. Who would I
ask
> > locally to find out for sure? I'm not sure the police would know about
> that
> > sort of thing, would they?
>
> In addition to ponding, I like to rock climb, a new passion. When I have
> gone out doors to new locations, I have often called ahead to local
> authorities to see it was an allowed area. Nobody ever had answers. So I
> gave up and just started climbing. If it's naughty, they'll tell me, and I
> will politely leave.
>
> I would assume that if this "local" pond is not on private property,
nobody
> is going to bother you if you take a few plants, especially if it is
> crowded. And if they do, I bet a simple polite, "I didn't think I was
doing
> harm." would suffice.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Hank Pagel]

Give yours a little time and you will be giving some to other people.
If you do take it from a wild pond you may be bringing home more than
just pickerel rush.

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in
message ...
> Is it legal to take pond plants from a local pond?
>
> I have a Pickerel weed (given to me by a friend who was thinning
theirs) and
> would like more. My local pond has a TON. As a matter of fact, it
has more
> plant life than it ever has. Starting to look clogged. Tons of water
lilies
> as well. Is it illegal to take plants from a pond? Do I have to pay
the $ to
> get them at the not so local water nursery?
>
> I don't want to do anything illegal here, so I'm checking. Who would
I ask
> locally to find out for sure? I'm not sure the police would know
about that
> sort of thing, would they?
>
> --
> LN in S.NH
>
>

[K30a]

When I called my state (WA) they told me they aren't concerned about a kid and
a jar full of tadpoles. They are more concerned about someone pulling a truck
up and loading up whatever it is they seek.

Also stay away from a pond that has beavers in it. You can get very sick from
various diseases.


k30a

[KenCo]

"LN (remove NOSPAM)" wrote:
>
> Is it legal to take pond plants from a local pond?
>




nope, fines avg. $500.00+ per plant if caught
on public land.

private land w/ permission is ok unless its an
endangered species.


> I have a Pickerel weed (given to me by a friend who was thinning theirs) and
> would like more. My local pond has a TON. As a matter of fact, it has more
> plant life than it ever has. Starting to look clogged. Tons of water lilies
> as well. Is it illegal to take plants from a pond? Do I have to pay the $ to
> get them at the not so local water nursery?
>
> I don't want to do anything illegal here, so I'm checking. Who would I ask
> locally to find out for sure? I'm not sure the police would know about that
> sort of thing, would they?
>
> --
> LN in S.NH






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[Sam Hopkins]

Nah not different answers.. Bottom line is:

* It's illegal to take anything from government own facilities however
depending where you are you'll find different levels of enforcement of the
law by the enforcement officers.

* If it's privately owned then it's always open to who owns the property.

* If it's from a different area from yours there may be bad things such as
parasites, etc that your pond life is not accustomed to.



"LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
...
> Wow. So many different answers.
>
> 1. The people who live around the pond are in an association that also
> controls the swimming area, so I would think that if I just talk to
someone
> in that association, I'd prolly be ok, I guess. Our friend lives there, so
> I'll ask him to ask around.
>
> 2. There are beavers living there. We've been swimming and kayaking in
there
> for a few years and we seem fine, but would plantlife from there harm my
> goldfish?
>
> Loved reading the answers. Thanks for all the different points of view.
This
> is only my second season with a pond. I am really enjoying it. It's just a
> small thing, compared to what most of you have, but it seems to be
thriving.
>
> Something odd tho, last year by this time we had about 6-7 frogs. By the
end
> of the season, we had 9. This year, none. What's up with that, do you
> think? We had a very cold, wet spring. Ya think that would affect things?
>
>
> --
> LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
>
>

[LN \(remove NOSPAM\)]

Ok. Rephrase that as, a lot of different answers meaning not the same thing
said over and over. Lots of info as in... thanks for the flood of
information. :D


--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)

"Sam Hopkins" > wrote in message
.. .
> Nah not different answers.. Bottom line is:
>
> * It's illegal to take anything from government own facilities however
> depending where you are you'll find different levels of enforcement of the
> law by the enforcement officers.
>
> * If it's privately owned then it's always open to who owns the property.
>
> * If it's from a different area from yours there may be bad things such as
> parasites, etc that your pond life is not accustomed to.
>
>
>
> "LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Wow. So many different answers.
> >
> > 1. The people who live around the pond are in an association that also
> > controls the swimming area, so I would think that if I just talk to
> someone
> > in that association, I'd prolly be ok, I guess. Our friend lives there,
so
> > I'll ask him to ask around.
> >
> > 2. There are beavers living there. We've been swimming and kayaking in
> there
> > for a few years and we seem fine, but would plantlife from there harm my
> > goldfish?
> >
> > Loved reading the answers. Thanks for all the different points of view.
> This
> > is only my second season with a pond. I am really enjoying it. It's just
a
> > small thing, compared to what most of you have, but it seems to be
> thriving.
> >
> > Something odd tho, last year by this time we had about 6-7 frogs. By the
> end
> > of the season, we had 9. This year, none. What's up with that, do you
> > think? We had a very cold, wet spring. Ya think that would affect
things?
> >
> >
> > --
> > LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
> >
> >
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:04:31 GMT, "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)"
> wrote:

>Ok. Rephrase that as, a lot of different answers meaning not the same thing
>said over and over. Lots of info as in... thanks for the flood of
>information. :D

Here's another bottom line:

Even if it's okay, once you get down there, where the plants are living,
you might have 2nd thoughts of how much is your work worth?

In my 2nd year of ponding (or maybe the 1st) I saw yellow flag iris in a
local pond. I parked the car and walked to where I could see that getting
to the area to dig meant wearing something better than flipflops, and a BIG
shovel that could manage digging thru even BIGGER rocks. Than take into
account the mud, the sweat, the sterilizing and I gladly shelled out the $$
and got exactly what I wanted. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[LN \(remove NOSPAM\)]

Actually, the plants I'd be after are the pickerel weed and there are some
in very shallow water and would be easy to get to. What do you mean by
sterizilizing?

I loved your pond pictures. Wish I had the room for that size. Mine is a bit
smaller.

http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed (look under Garden folder - there are
two pages)


--
LN in NH (new gardener/ponder in zone 5)

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 22:04:31 GMT, "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)"
> > wrote:
>
> >Ok. Rephrase that as, a lot of different answers meaning not the same
thing
> >said over and over. Lots of info as in... thanks for the flood of
> >information. :D
>
> Here's another bottom line:
>
> Even if it's okay, once you get down there, where the plants are living,
> you might have 2nd thoughts of how much is your work worth?
>
> In my 2nd year of ponding (or maybe the 1st) I saw yellow flag iris in a
> local pond. I parked the car and walked to where I could see that getting
> to the area to dig meant wearing something better than flipflops, and a
BIG
> shovel that could manage digging thru even BIGGER rocks. Than take into
> account the mud, the sweat, the sterilizing and I gladly shelled out the
$$
> and got exactly what I wanted. ~ jan
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 01:25:32 GMT, "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)" wrote:

>Actually, the plants I'd be after are the pickerel weed and there are some
>in very shallow water and would be easy to get to. What do you mean by
>sterizilizing?

I use PP (potassium permanganate) to soak my plants in so I don't transmit
any diseases or other pests (doesn't always work on snails) to my ponds,
this is regardless of where they are coming from.

>I loved your pond pictures. Wish I had the room for that size. Mine is a bit
>smaller.

>http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed (look under Garden folder - there are
>two pages)

Thank you for visiting my webpage. Considering size, pickerel gets quite
large, I don't even keep it in my ponds. Had it once, wasn't impressed.
~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[bern]

"LN \(remove NOSPAM\)" > wrote in message >...

> Something odd tho, last year by this time we had about 6-7 frogs. By the end
> of the season, we had 9. This year, none. What's up with that, do you
> think? We had a very cold, wet spring. Ya think that would affect things?

Lots of things affect frog populations. Some imponderable. We have had
a pond for 20 odd years, and every year we have different numbers of
frogs, and different kinds. For a couple of years we had none, or only
one, and combined with newspaper reports of world wide amphibian
scarcity we were fearful of never having another one. Then the next
year we had a bumper crop of 3 different species at once. I think frog
populations naturally go up and down on a local scale.

[LN \(remove NOSPAM\)]

I'm sure that's it, but I really miss them! I used to enjoy going out and
counting them and having a chat. My fish won't stay and chat. They watch me
weed/deadhead the flowers nearby, but if I glance their way, they will hide
or look the other way pretending they weren't watching me.


--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)

"bern" > wrote in message
om...
> "LN \(remove NOSPAM\)" > wrote in message
>...
>
> > Something odd tho, last year by this time we had about 6-7 frogs. By the
end
> > of the season, we had 9. This year, none. What's up with that, do you
> > think? We had a very cold, wet spring. Ya think that would affect
things?
>
> Lots of things affect frog populations. Some imponderable. We have had
> a pond for 20 odd years, and every year we have different numbers of
> frogs, and different kinds. For a couple of years we had none, or only
> one, and combined with newspaper reports of world wide amphibian
> scarcity we were fearful of never having another one. Then the next
> year we had a bumper crop of 3 different species at once. I think frog
> populations naturally go up and down on a local scale.

[Snooze]

It's actually a quote, from Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper. One of the
first female computer scientists, and one of the few women to earn the rank
of Admiral.
"It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission."

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-h/g-hoppr.htm

Same lady that coined the term computer bug, and debugging a computer
program.

Sameer

"Wendy Kelly Budd" > wrote in message
...
> What's that old saying? "It's easier to receive forgiveness, than seek
> permission."
>
> --
> Wendy* in N. California,
>

[Wendy Kelly Budd]

Cool! Thanks.
--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"Snooze" > wrote in message
thlink.net...
> It's actually a quote, from Rear Admiral Grace Murray Hopper. One of the
> first female computer scientists, and one of the few women to earn the
rank
> of Admiral.
> "It's easier to ask forgiveness than it is to get permission."
>
> http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/pers-us/uspers-h/g-hoppr.htm
>
> Same lady that coined the term computer bug, and debugging a computer
> program.
>
> Sameer
>
> "Wendy Kelly Budd" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What's that old saying? "It's easier to receive forgiveness, than seek
> > permission."
> >
> > --
> > Wendy* in N. California,
> >
>
>