Suicidal koi survives...can it grow new scales?

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

We have had plastic milk crates in our pond for years without any mishaps.

Then, about ten days ago, one of our pretty fantail koi decided to push
through an opening that was too small. Jim came out and saw it at the
bottom, about 1/2 way through the crate, with tadpoles on it. He assumed it
dead. When he went in to get it, it was alive...but had 'scaled' itself for
a couple of inches behind the gills. Jim cut the crate to get it out. It
swam off.

Then we did not see it for days. Not a good sign! Then Jim found a piece
of its skin! Dead, we thought. But not floating yet. A couple of days
later, I saw it SWIMMING...slowly. Better than dead.

We were away for a week. Upon arrival home, we found the suicidal koi
swimming, but not with its usual speed. It has lost portions of its tail
and fins. It has a bare midrif and a patch of scales missing on one side.
No fungus or anything else to show illness.

Our question: Will it regrow the peeled scales? Or just look grotesque for
ever? We will try to get a picture of it. and put it on the website. Jim
got a picture of it in the milk crate.

Your thoughts and, especially, knowledge would be much appreciated.

P-
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[Tom La Bron]

Phyllis and Jim,

As long as it is not showing fungus it will probably be all right. Keep an
eye on it though. I had a small Bubble-eye that got sucked through a larger
opening in the cascade cover that opened up while I was at work and it went
into the next pond area, but there is a diffusion basket on the other side
to cut the force of the water as it falls into the pond and so the
Bubble-eye was rolled around for "I don't know, how many hours" in the
basket not able to get away. I found the guy and he was pretty battered
with a lot of scrapping of the scales and scale loss. I put him back into
its rightful pond and it is doing fine. Not moving as quickly as it used
to, at least for Bubble-eye speed, but it is doing fine.

Oh, for those talking about Bubble-eyes in ponds and the ability to be pond
fish, I would like to mention that the bubbles on the fish's eyes didn't
break while the fish was being battered in the basket. Water in my pond is
being pumped around at about 3500gph and all of this volume of water is
cascading between ponds is being buffered by a basket diffuser to dissipate
direct water flow force into the pond. This unplanned demonstration kind of
elaborates on the stamina of the Bubble-eye's bubbles.

Tom L.L.
"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote in
message ...
> We have had plastic milk crates in our pond for years without any mishaps.
>
> Then, about ten days ago, one of our pretty fantail koi decided to push
> through an opening that was too small. Jim came out and saw it at the
> bottom, about 1/2 way through the crate, with tadpoles on it. He assumed
it
> dead. When he went in to get it, it was alive...but had 'scaled' itself
for
> a couple of inches behind the gills. Jim cut the crate to get it out. It
> swam off.
>
> Then we did not see it for days. Not a good sign! Then Jim found a piece
> of its skin! Dead, we thought. But not floating yet. A couple of days
> later, I saw it SWIMMING...slowly. Better than dead.
>
> We were away for a week. Upon arrival home, we found the suicidal koi
> swimming, but not with its usual speed. It has lost portions of its tail
> and fins. It has a bare midrif and a patch of scales missing on one side.
> No fungus or anything else to show illness.
>
> Our question: Will it regrow the peeled scales? Or just look grotesque
for
> ever? We will try to get a picture of it. and put it on the website. Jim
> got a picture of it in the milk crate.
>
> Your thoughts and, especially, knowledge would be much appreciated.
>
> P-
> ____________________________________________
> Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
> www.jogathon.net
> See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
>
>
>

[Chris Tondreau]

Thanks for the Bubble Eye info. I've hesitated to even get one for my
aquarium because their eyes do look so fragile. I think now I'll make a new
additon to the fishy family.

Jacqui

"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Phyllis and Jim,
>
> As long as it is not showing fungus it will probably be all right. Keep
an
> eye on it though. I had a small Bubble-eye that got sucked through a
larger
> opening in the cascade cover that opened up while I was at work and it
went
> into the next pond area, but there is a diffusion basket on the other side
> to cut the force of the water as it falls into the pond and so the
> Bubble-eye was rolled around for "I don't know, how many hours" in the
> basket not able to get away. I found the guy and he was pretty battered
> with a lot of scrapping of the scales and scale loss. I put him back into
> its rightful pond and it is doing fine. Not moving as quickly as it used
> to, at least for Bubble-eye speed, but it is doing fine.
>
> Oh, for those talking about Bubble-eyes in ponds and the ability to be
pond
> fish, I would like to mention that the bubbles on the fish's eyes didn't
> break while the fish was being battered in the basket. Water in my pond
is
> being pumped around at about 3500gph and all of this volume of water is
> cascading between ponds is being buffered by a basket diffuser to
dissipate
> direct water flow force into the pond. This unplanned demonstration kind
of
> elaborates on the stamina of the Bubble-eye's bubbles.
>
> Tom L.L.
> "Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote in
> message ...
> > We have had plastic milk crates in our pond for years without any
mishaps.
> >
> > Then, about ten days ago, one of our pretty fantail koi decided to push
> > through an opening that was too small. Jim came out and saw it at the
> > bottom, about 1/2 way through the crate, with tadpoles on it. He
assumed
> it
> > dead. When he went in to get it, it was alive...but had 'scaled' itself
> for
> > a couple of inches behind the gills. Jim cut the crate to get it out.
It
> > swam off.
> >
> > Then we did not see it for days. Not a good sign! Then Jim found a
piece
> > of its skin! Dead, we thought. But not floating yet. A couple of days
> > later, I saw it SWIMMING...slowly. Better than dead.
> >
> > We were away for a week. Upon arrival home, we found the suicidal koi
> > swimming, but not with its usual speed. It has lost portions of its
tail
> > and fins. It has a bare midrif and a patch of scales missing on one
side.
> > No fungus or anything else to show illness.
> >
> > Our question: Will it regrow the peeled scales? Or just look grotesque
> for
> > ever? We will try to get a picture of it. and put it on the website.
Jim
> > got a picture of it in the milk crate.
> >
> > Your thoughts and, especially, knowledge would be much appreciated.
> >
> > P-
> > ____________________________________________
> > Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
> > www.jogathon.net
> > See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[j.a.smith2]

On a similar subject one of my koi has lost a front fin completely, will
this grow back, he seems to be fine and have treated with a anti bacteria in
case


"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote in
message ...
> Thanks for the response, Tom.
>
> Any thoughts about regrowing scales?
>
> Also, were any of the lillies you sent tropical? Some have what look like
> pointy leaves.
>
> Jim
>
> --
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> Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
> www.jogathon.net
> See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Phyllis and Jim,
> >
> > As long as it is not showing fungus it will probably be all right. Keep
> an
> > eye on it though. I had a small Bubble-eye that got sucked through a
> larger
> > opening in the cascade cover that opened up while I was at work and it
> went
> > into the next pond area, but there is a diffusion basket on the other
side
> > to cut the force of the water as it falls into the pond and so the
> > Bubble-eye was rolled around for "I don't know, how many hours" in the
> > basket not able to get away. I found the guy and he was pretty battered
> > with a lot of scrapping of the scales and scale loss. I put him back
into
> > its rightful pond and it is doing fine. Not moving as quickly as it
used
> > to, at least for Bubble-eye speed, but it is doing fine.
> >
> > Oh, for those talking about Bubble-eyes in ponds and the ability to be
> pond
> > fish, I would like to mention that the bubbles on the fish's eyes didn't
> > break while the fish was being battered in the basket. Water in my pond
> is
> > being pumped around at about 3500gph and all of this volume of water is
> > cascading between ponds is being buffered by a basket diffuser to
> dissipate
> > direct water flow force into the pond. This unplanned demonstration
kind
> of
> > elaborates on the stamina of the Bubble-eye's bubbles.
> >
> > Tom L.L.
> > "Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote in
> > message ...
> > > We have had plastic milk crates in our pond for years without any
> mishaps.
> > >
> > > Then, about ten days ago, one of our pretty fantail koi decided to
push
> > > through an opening that was too small. Jim came out and saw it at the
> > > bottom, about 1/2 way through the crate, with tadpoles on it. He
> assumed
> > it
> > > dead. When he went in to get it, it was alive...but had 'scaled'
itself
> > for
> > > a couple of inches behind the gills. Jim cut the crate to get it out.
> It
> > > swam off.
> > >
> > > Then we did not see it for days. Not a good sign! Then Jim found a
> piece
> > > of its skin! Dead, we thought. But not floating yet. A couple of
days
> > > later, I saw it SWIMMING...slowly. Better than dead.
> > >
> > > We were away for a week. Upon arrival home, we found the suicidal koi
> > > swimming, but not with its usual speed. It has lost portions of its
> tail
> > > and fins. It has a bare midrif and a patch of scales missing on one
> side.
> > > No fungus or anything else to show illness.
> > >
> > > Our question: Will it regrow the peeled scales? Or just look
grotesque
> > for
> > > ever? We will try to get a picture of it. and put it on the website.
> Jim
> > > got a picture of it in the milk crate.
> > >
> > > Your thoughts and, especially, knowledge would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > P-
> > > ____________________________________________
> > > Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
> > > www.jogathon.net
> > > See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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fish that get stuck strip off their slime coat in addition to the scales. the stress
of being stuck also has an effect. I would have dropped the fish into a quarantine
tank with some salt, polyaqua and fed antibiotic food just in case. And kept a close
eye on it for parasites. Scales and fins will normally regrow. Salt in the pond will
help with recovery if a quarantine tank is not going to be used. Ingrid

"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote:
>Then, about ten days ago, one of our pretty fantail koi decided to push
>through an opening that was too small.
It has lost portions of its tail
>and fins. It has a bare midrif and a patch of scales missing on one side.
>No fungus or anything else to show illness.
>Our question: Will it regrow the peeled scales? Or just look grotesque for
>ever?


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if the peduncle or the fleshy part of the fin is there, yes. Ingrid

"j.a.smith2" > wrote:
>On a similar subject one of my koi has lost a front fin completely, will
>this grow back, he seems to be fine and have treated with a anti bacteria in
>case


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[Bob]

Just wondering out loud, and in no way disputing pond salt. When a
human gets a cut, and rubs salt into it, submerses cut into sal****er, or
comes into contact with it in any way, it hurts. So doesn't it hurt the
fish with the cut/scrape? Or is the concentration to low?

Thanks,
Bob


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"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote in
message ...
> Thanks Ingrid.
>
> I wish I could catch it to isolate it! Even wounded, they do not want to
> come to be caught.
>
> It is now swimming with the others. It seems to be doing alright, tho
> looking wierd. I will definitely try to put up a couple of pictures on
our
> website. I have it in the crate and swimming today.
>
> It appears to be a really resilliant fish!
>
> We shall see.
>
> Jim
>
> --
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> Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
> www.jogathon.net
> See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > fish that get stuck strip off their slime coat in addition to the
scales.
> the stress
> > of being stuck also has an effect. I would have dropped the fish into a
> quarantine
> > tank with some salt, polyaqua and fed antibiotic food just in case. And
> kept a close
> > eye on it for parasites. Scales and fins will normally regrow. Salt in
> the pond will
> > help with recovery if a quarantine tank is not going to be used. Ingrid
> >
> > "Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote:
> > >Then, about ten days ago, one of our pretty fantail koi decided to push
> > >through an opening that was too small.
> > It has lost portions of its tail
> > >and fins. It has a bare midrif and a patch of scales missing on one
> side.
> > >No fungus or anything else to show illness.
> > >Our question: Will it regrow the peeled scales? Or just look
grotesque
> for
> > >ever?
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>
>

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have you tried rinsing your mouth with 0.1% salt water? I know my mother tells me to
use salt water gargles for sore throats, etc. It doesnt sting as long as the
concentration is really high. remember, inside we are all 0.9% salt. Ingrid

"Bob" > wrote:
> Just wondering out loud, and in no way disputing pond salt. When a
>human gets a cut, and rubs salt into it, submerses cut into sal****er, or
>comes into contact with it in any way, it hurts. So doesn't it hurt the
>fish with the cut/scrape? Or is the concentration to low?


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[BenignVanilla]

> wrote in message
...
> have you tried rinsing your mouth with 0.1% salt water? I know my mother
tells me to
> use salt water gargles for sore throats, etc. It doesnt sting as long as
the
> concentration is really high. remember, inside we are all 0.9% salt.
Ingrid
<snip>

Ingrid...have you seen the Chris Rock routine on Robitussin?

BV.