Sick Lotus brown leaves

[jrock64]

H E L P ! !
My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the surface.
No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.

Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.

Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.

approx 6 in below water surface
Full sun from 11am to 6pm

Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots
were started with 3 spikes each about mid May

Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.

Photos are at the end of the pond album.

http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose

Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.

Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on the
side of the pots.

JRock64

[Nedra]

Jrock, I don't have a clue why your lotuses are dying.
Now I will take a couple of guesses... yes, lotus can get
too much fertilizer. Mine get fed once in the spring and then
the pond gets flooded with fish pond water every week.
Too much fertilizer is just a guess. Not sure this is the problem.

I'm wondering if the sun is too strong for them. Where are
you located? It seems strange that the leaves would be green
when they first appear - only to turn brown after they are to
the surface. I'm hoping someone else posts with a definitive
answer for you.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"jrock64" > wrote in message
news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
> H E L P ! !
> My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
surface.
> No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.
>
> Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
> Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.
>
> Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.
>
> approx 6 in below water surface
> Full sun from 11am to 6pm
>
> Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots
> were started with 3 spikes each about mid May
>
> Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.
>
> Photos are at the end of the pond album.
>
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose
>
> Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
> commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.
>
> Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on
the
> side of the pots.
>
> JRock64
>
>
>

[zookeeper]

Nedra, that was my first thought as well -- the leaves look as though
they've been burned or dried out by the sun. Jrock64, have your temps
been higher than usual?
--
Kathy B

Nedra wrote:
>
> I'm wondering if the sun is too strong for them. Where are
> you located? It seems strange that the leaves would be green
> when they first appear - only to turn brown after they are to
> the surface. I'm hoping someone else posts with a definitive
> answer for you.
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "jrock64" > wrote...
>
>>H E L P ! !
>>My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
>
> surface.

[Wendy Kelly Budd]

My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came
back the next spring.

I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell in
the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime
green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would
plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have
their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes
root.

Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
Greenberg? Love those leaves!

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" > wrote in message
news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
> H E L P ! !
> My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
surface.
> No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.
>
> Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
> Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.
>
> Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.
>
> approx 6 in below water surface
> Full sun from 11am to 6pm
>
> Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots
> were started with 3 spikes each about mid May
>
> Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.
>
> Photos are at the end of the pond album.
>
> http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose
>
> Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
> commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.
>
> Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on
the
> side of the pots.
>
> JRock64
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Does anyone else have their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load?

Mine are in a 1,000 gallon pond with 5 goldfish and a few taddies that
haven't changed yet. They are potted pretty much in pure sand. Noticed I
have another bud today, 8 total with 3 open. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[jrock64]

Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round.
Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered)
Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55
degrees 70 degrees for growth.
That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods.
Mid May was way too soon.

Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color.
Do not know what color they should be.
Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the
last.

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give them.

Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay
clouded over the water.

Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface.

JRock64


"Wendy Kelly Budd" > wrote in message
...
> My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
> grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came
> back the next spring.
>
> I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell
in
> the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime
> green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
> until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would
> plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have
> their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
> that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
> should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes
> root.
>
> Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
> Greenberg? Love those leaves!
>
> --
> Wendy* in N. California,
>
> "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in
> school." - Albert Einstein
>
>
> "jrock64" > wrote in message
> news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
> > H E L P ! !
> > My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
> surface.
> > No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.
> >
> > Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
> > Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.
> >
> > Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.
> >
> > approx 6 in below water surface
> > Full sun from 11am to 6pm
> >
> > Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots
> > were started with 3 spikes each about mid May
> >
> > Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.
> >
> > Photos are at the end of the pond album.
> >
> > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose
> >
> > Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
> > commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.
> >
> > Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on
> the
> > side of the pots.
> >
> > JRock64
> >
> >
>
>

[jrock64]

Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round.
Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered)
Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55
degrees 70 degrees for growth.
That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods.
Mid May was way too soon.

Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color.
Do not know what color they should be.
Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the
last.

Zone 4 NW Iowa
Temps in the low 90's
PH 8.5 to 9+

I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give them.

Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay
clouded over the water.

Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface.

JRock64


"Wendy Kelly Budd" > wrote in message
...
> My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
> grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It came
> back the next spring.
>
> I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell
in
> the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More lime
> green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
> until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I would
> plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else have
> their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
> that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
> should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus takes
> root.
>
> Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
> Greenberg? Love those leaves!
>
> --
> Wendy* in N. California,
>
> "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
in
> school." - Albert Einstein
>
>
> "jrock64" > wrote in message
> news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
> > H E L P ! !
> > My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
> surface.
> > No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.
> >
> > Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
> > Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.
> >
> > Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.
> >
> > approx 6 in below water surface
> > Full sun from 11am to 6pm
> >
> > Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago. Pots
> > were started with 3 spikes each about mid May
> >
> > Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.
> >
> > Photos are at the end of the pond album.
> >
> > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose
> >
> > Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
> > commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.
> >
> > Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way on
> the
> > side of the pots.
> >
> > JRock64
> >
> >
>
>

[jrock64]

Sorry

My news server said it was not connecting.

JRock64

[Wendy Kelly Budd]

There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your pH
is 8.5, it's too high. It's a long story, that prior to coffee isn't coming
back to me, but generally speaking, too high pH and plants can't absorb many
required nutrients. You add plants sticks and the plants sit there starving.
By any chance, do you know if your water is soft or hard (GH test kit). Do
you add potash?

Darn, sorry that Albert didn't make it. You think the growers would know
not to send you a plant too soon. However, your tropical lily problem could
be related to your lotus' problem. My tropicals make it through the winter
and my water goes down to 39°F, average is 45°F for two months during
winter.

--
Wendy* in N. California,

"Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned in
school." - Albert Einstein


"jrock64" > wrote in message
news:2MlRa.79994$Ph3.8725@sccrnsc04...
> Yes that WAS an Albert Greenberg
> Did not overwinter in my unheated basement. 45degrees year round.
> Have already killed two tropicals this year.(bareroot internet ordered)
> Will take anyone seriously when they say minimum water temperature 55
> degrees 70 degrees for growth.
> That was about 3 weeks ago in my neck of the woods.
> Mid May was way too soon.
>
> Back to the lotus. All the leaves have always been a lime green in color.
> Do not know what color they should be.
> Started out about dime size with each new leaf about 25% larger than the
> last.
>
> Zone 4 NW Iowa
> Temps in the low 90's
> PH 8.5 to 9+
>
> I thought that lillys and lotus would take all the sun you could give
them.
>
> Dug for the fertilizer spike and could find no trace of it before the clay
> clouded over the water.
>
> Leaves seem to be turning brown now as soon as they unroll at the surface.
>
> JRock64
>
>
> "Wendy Kelly Budd" > wrote in message
> ...
> > My lotus didn't do well it's first year. Planted it in early spring, it
> > grew slightly, then at the end of July it died. Or so I thought. It
came
> > back the next spring.
> >
> > I agree, too high/low pH could be the problem. It's hard for me to tell
> in
> > the photo, but do the new leaves emerge looking all over pale? More
lime
> > green than green? As for feeding, I read somewhere not to feed a lotus
> > until it has 10 or more leaves, this has worked for me. Mind you, I
would
> > plant it in soil (unenriched regular garden soil). Does anyone else
have
> > their lotus in sand & clay only and have a low fish load? Another thing
> > that comes to mind, you could remove that rock from the growing tip; it
> > should only be there to keep the tuber from floating until the lotus
takes
> > root.
> >
> > Very nice lilies! Is that mottled-leafed lily a Leopardess or an Albert
> > Greenberg? Love those leaves!
> >
> > --
> > Wendy* in N. California,
> >
> > "Education is what remains after one has forgotten everything he learned
> in
> > school." - Albert Einstein
> >
> >
> > "jrock64" > wrote in message
> > news:IV2Ra.73528$N7.8514@sccrnsc03...
> > > H E L P ! !
> > > My lotus leaves are turning brown about 3 days after they reach the
> > surface.
> > > No Ariels yet. About 3 inches across.
> > >
> > > Started with tubers 3/4 by 4 inches.
> > > Chawna Basu and Chineese Double Rose.
> > >
> > > Planted in sand and kitty litter in a 8 gallon tub 16 in across.
> > >
> > > approx 6 in below water surface
> > > Full sun from 11am to 6pm
> > >
> > > Last fertilized with one tomato spike(3/4 x 1.5) about a week ago.
Pots
> > > were started with 3 spikes each about mid May
> > >
> > > Useing 2 Tbsp muriate of potash every other week in 2000 gal pond.
> > >
> > > Photos are at the end of the pond album.
> > >
> > > http://f1.pg.photos.yahoo.com/jrock64rose
> > >
> > > Pond is clear. Lillys are blooming. Even have 1 1/2 in baby
> > > commet/fan/subunkin/fish. Lotus are dieing.
> > >
> > > Can you burn a lotus with too much fertilizer. Spikes were stuck way
on
> > the
> > > side of the pots.
> > >
> > > JRock64
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[BenignVanilla]

"Wendy Kelly Budd" > wrote in message
...
> There will be many who disagree with me, but for growing plants, if your
pH
> is 8.5, it's too high.
<snip>

I'd only pick one bone with that statement, and that would be all plants
have different pH requirements. I would guess there are 1 or 2 that grow
nicely above 8.5

BV.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" > wrote:

>Zone 4 NW Iowa
>Temps in the low 90's
>PH 8.5 to 9+

There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your
Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I
can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
spike? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[Nedra]

Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.

I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
That must have been one of the things that worked for you
too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;)

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" > wrote:
>
> >Zone 4 NW Iowa
> >Temps in the low 90's
> >PH 8.5 to 9+
>
> There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
> grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check your
> Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and I
> can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
> spike? ~ jan
>
> See my ponds and filter design:
> http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
>
> ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> To e-mail see website
>

[Gregory Young]

I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting media,
instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further
algal blooms.
I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean up
if you knock it over..
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"Nedra" > wrote in message
rthlink.net...
> Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
> is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
> gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
> weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
> day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
> pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.
>
> I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
> fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
> to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
> That must have been one of the things that worked for you
> too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;)
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
> > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" > wrote:
> >
> > >Zone 4 NW Iowa
> > >Temps in the low 90's
> > >PH 8.5 to 9+
> >
> > There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow, grow,
> > grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
your
> > Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond and
I
> > can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes a
> > spike? ~ jan
> >
> > See my ponds and filter design:
> > http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
> >
> > ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> > Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> > To e-mail see website
> >
>
>

[Gregory Young]

I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies
when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink
them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with
the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into.
I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although
there is no reason I could not.
I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water
gardens with lotus in them.
Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to buildings,
etc.
Happy ponding,
Greg

--


"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
...
> I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting
media,
> instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause further
> algal blooms.
> I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to clean
up
> if you knock it over..
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
> --
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> rthlink.net...
> > Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
> > is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
> > gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
> > weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
> > day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
> > pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.
> >
> > I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
> > fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
> > to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
> > That must have been one of the things that worked for you
> > too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;)
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" > wrote:
> > >
> > > >Zone 4 NW Iowa
> > > >Temps in the low 90's
> > > >PH 8.5 to 9+
> > >
> > > There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow,
grow,
> > > grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
> your
> > > Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond
and
> I
> > > can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid makes
a
> > > spike? ~ jan
> > >
> > > See my ponds and filter design:
> > > http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
> > >
> > > ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> > > Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> > > To e-mail see website
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Nedra]

Hi Greg,

Your method of planting lotuses is the "old fashioned" way!
Wish I were physically able to handle 3 foot wide containers
of clay. Your containers of lotus sound charming... scattered
about so to speak.

My lotus pond is lined only because the two 'on-line' ladies who were
helping me told me to line it ... lol There is no way I could
handle a 3 foot wide container full of clay and lotus. My largest
container is about 20 inches wide - I'm doing good to get that
eased into the pond. I have so many plants that have jumped
the pots and are growing into the sand in the pond. I will have a heck of
time trying to divide next spring.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
...
> I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies
> when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I sink
> them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill with
> the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into.
> I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although
> there is no reason I could not.
> I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water
> gardens with lotus in them.
> Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to
buildings,
> etc.
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
>
> --
>
>
> "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting
> media,
> > instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause
further
> > algal blooms.
> > I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to
clean
> up
> > if you knock it over..
> > Happy ponding,
> > Greg
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > rthlink.net...
> > > Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
> > > is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
> > > gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
> > > weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
> > > day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
> > > pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.
> > >
> > > I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
> > > fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
> > > to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
> > > That must have been one of the things that worked for you
> > > too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;)
> > >
> > > Nedra
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > >
> > > "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" >
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Zone 4 NW Iowa
> > > > >Temps in the low 90's
> > > > >PH 8.5 to 9+
> > > >
> > > > There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow,
> grow,
> > > > grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients. Check
> > your
> > > > Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your pond
> and
> > I
> > > > can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid
makes
> a
> > > > spike? ~ jan
> > > >
> > > > See my ponds and filter design:
> > > > http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
> > > >
> > > > ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> > > > Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> > > > To e-mail see website
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Gregory Young]

Hi Nedra:
Don't feel bad. One of my lotuses (Indian variety... of course the largest),
"secretly" sent out 3 runners into main natural/farm/dirt pond. I went out
and carefully dug them out, lifted them up and wrapped them in a circular
fashion, and then pushed them back into soil in the 3 foot container it was
planted in.
Only broke off one leading edge, which had rooted pretty deep into mud pond.
Got all the remnants of that, fortunately.
Once the lotuses get away from you, they can be worse than cattails (am
referring to strictly in natural/mud/farm ponds).
I will have to keep a closer eye on that lotus.
Other 4 are well behaved, staying in their tubs!
I can not move the tubs once filled with clay either.. no way, but then
again I don't think I could move them filled with sand/rock either.
Once in, they stay in place!
The ones in the terrestrial garden are different. I could always dig the
clay back out, and then remove the tubs, but they look fine where they are
(got the boss to approve the location first. I told her I wasn't going to be
moving those around..
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"Nedra" > wrote in message
rthlink.net...
> Hi Greg,
>
> Your method of planting lotuses is the "old fashioned" way!
> Wish I were physically able to handle 3 foot wide containers
> of clay. Your containers of lotus sound charming... scattered
> about so to speak.
>
> My lotus pond is lined only because the two 'on-line' ladies who were
> helping me told me to line it ... lol There is no way I could
> handle a 3 foot wide container full of clay and lotus. My largest
> container is about 20 inches wide - I'm doing good to get that
> eased into the pond. I have so many plants that have jumped
> the pots and are growing into the sand in the pond. I will have a heck of
> time trying to divide next spring.
>
> Nedra
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I need to correct my last post.. I was referring to marginals and lilies
> > when I mentioned pea gravel/sand. For lotuses, I still use clay, as I
sink
> > them in my "farm"/dirt pond in 3 ft diameter containers, which I fill
with
> > the clay I dug out of the pond to put the container into.
> > I don't maintain lotus in my 8,000 gallon water garden per se, although
> > there is no reason I could not.
> > I also have a couple of tubs sunk in gardens away from ponds and water
> > gardens with lotus in them.
> > Easy to maintain and no weeding hassles! Make great backdrops to
> buildings,
> > etc.
> > Happy ponding,
> > Greg
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I agree with Nedra and Jan.. pea gravel, sand, etc makes fine potting
> > media,
> > > instead of soil. No nutrients to leach out into the pond and cause
> further
> > > algal blooms.
> > > I use the gravel as it is lighter than the sand, and much easier to
> clean
> > up
> > > if you knock it over..
> > > Happy ponding,
> > > Greg
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > > rthlink.net...
> > > > Jan, I notice you mention Muriatic Acid ... My Pond pH
> > > > is always high. I use 1 cup of Baking Soda for every 1,000
> > > > gallon of water. I do this as a matter of course. Every two
> > > > weeks or so I put in another 1 cup of Baking Soda - next
> > > > day I test KH. It has worked fine for the pond. This fish
> > > > pond water is then used to flood the lotus pond.
> > > >
> > > > I notice you are using sand for a planting medium ... works
> > > > fine, doesn't it? The gals who were advising me told me not
> > > > to use sand .... I didn't listen (!) and has worked for me.
> > > > That must have been one of the things that worked for you
> > > > too. That, and adding the touch of acid to the water ;)
> > > >
> > > > Nedra
> > > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > > >
> > > > "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:37:11 GMT, "jrock64" >
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >Zone 4 NW Iowa
> > > > > >Temps in the low 90's
> > > > > >PH 8.5 to 9+
> > > > >
> > > > > There's your problem, high temps and the plant is wanting to grow,
> > grow,
> > > > > grow, but the pH is limiting its ability to take up nutrients.
Check
> > > your
> > > > > Kh, give me how many gallons and what critters resides in your
pond
> > and
> > > I
> > > > > can help you lower that pH with muriatic acid. Wonder if MirAcid
> makes
> > a
> > > > > spike? ~ jan
> > > > >
> > > > > See my ponds and filter design:
> > > > > http://users.owt.com/jjspond/
> > > > >
> > > > > ~Keep 'em Wet!~
> > > > > Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
> > > > > To e-mail see website
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>