Snorkelling the pond...why no babies

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

Well, I tried it again. I put on the goggles and snorkel and cruised our
pond for about a half hour.

I highly recommend it if you can fit and if your spouse/family will not
ridicule you too much.

The koi paths make better sense from an underwater perspective!

After a few minutes, the fish just considered me a harmless giant. If I sat
still, they would come right up to my mask. The big koi look really big
from that perspective. I need to do that with an underwater camera some
time!

After the careful search, I saw a total of one small fish that is not a
gambusia. Sadly, it may have been a platy. Conclusion: there are precious
few goldfish or koi babies.

Any theories about the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not
sees clear spawning behavior...but then I have not done the night and
flashlight thing.

Jim
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[jammer]

On 20 Jul 2003 23:47:16 GMT, (Jerrispond) wrote:

>>Conclusion: there are precious>few goldfish or koi babies.>Any theories about
>the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not>sees clear spawning
>behavior...but then I have not done the night and>flashlight thing.
>
>I have probably a hundred goldfish babies....and over a dozen koi
>babies.....the difference this year is a HUGE amount of anacharis in all the
>ponds. This gives them some place to not only lay the eggs, but for the babies
>to hide. The koi babies are probably close to 2 inches now, and they still
>hang around in it....The grown koi avoid it for some reason. I highly
>reccomend it. It also has kept the algea to zero this year....except for a
>little string algea in the goldfish pond Jerri
>
> http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

Hi,
My neighbor had been real snooty when i was talking about a small pond
last year. (A bowl of green slime with hoards of mosquitos is what she
was expecting as she knew i wouldn't have a pump, etc) She came over
today and asked to see it. I had to wipe a grin off of my face when
she showed surprise at my clear water! HA!

I have loads of anacharis.

[Ann in Houston]

How do you get enough anacharis to make a difference when koi are so fond of
it? I tried and it was just fruitless. The reason I don't have "natural"
filtration in the form of plants is that the fish eat them all up before
they can multiply. I had to give up and give in to hubby's "gadget
mentality" and get a uv light. I wanted to feel like I had mastered the
"balance" thing and clear my own water, but he wouldn't be patient and
couldn't see why I didn't want to just "buy" a solution. I couldn't explain
that I don't feel like a true ponder if I didn't get the water to clear
naturally. It really was moot, when the plants didn't stand a chance, but I
still wanted the koi and to him, that was the point, not the ongoing science
experiment. So, how do you still have koi and anacharis together?

Ann
"Jerrispond" > wrote in message
...
> >Conclusion: there are precious>few goldfish or koi babies.>Any theories
about
> the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not>sees clear spawning
> behavior...but then I have not done the night and>flashlight thing.
>
> I have probably a hundred goldfish babies....and over a dozen koi
> babies.....the difference this year is a HUGE amount of anacharis in all
the
> ponds. This gives them some place to not only lay the eggs, but for the
babies
> to hide. The koi babies are probably close to 2 inches now, and they
still
> hang around in it....The grown koi avoid it for some reason. I highly
> reccomend it. It also has kept the algea to zero this year....except for
a
> little string algea in the goldfish pond Jerri
>
>
http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond

[Nedra]

Ann, My anacharis is in the Veggie Filter. My solution.
Nedra

Here is my first pond....
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
and here is the lotus pond ..
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Ann in Houston" > wrote in message
.com...
> How do you get enough anacharis to make a difference when koi are so fond
of
> it? I tried and it was just fruitless. The reason I don't have "natural"
> filtration in the form of plants is that the fish eat them all up before
> they can multiply. I had to give up and give in to hubby's "gadget
> mentality" and get a uv light. I wanted to feel like I had mastered the
> "balance" thing and clear my own water, but he wouldn't be patient and
> couldn't see why I didn't want to just "buy" a solution. I couldn't
explain
> that I don't feel like a true ponder if I didn't get the water to clear
> naturally. It really was moot, when the plants didn't stand a chance, but
I
> still wanted the koi and to him, that was the point, not the ongoing
science
> experiment. So, how do you still have koi and anacharis together?
>
> Ann
> "Jerrispond" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >Conclusion: there are precious>few goldfish or koi babies.>Any theories
> about
> > the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not>sees clear
spawning
> > behavior...but then I have not done the night and>flashlight thing.
> >
> > I have probably a hundred goldfish babies....and over a dozen koi
> > babies.....the difference this year is a HUGE amount of anacharis in all
> the
> > ponds. This gives them some place to not only lay the eggs, but for the
> babies
> > to hide. The koi babies are probably close to 2 inches now, and they
> still
> > hang around in it....The grown koi avoid it for some reason. I highly
> > reccomend it. It also has kept the algea to zero this year....except
for
> a
> > little string algea in the goldfish pond Jerri
> >
> >
> http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond
>
>
>

[infoseeker]

good going! Glad you pleasantly suprised her!

No reason for her (or others) to be snotty- Life's too short. : ]


"jammer" > wrote in message
...
> On 20 Jul 2003 23:47:16 GMT, (Jerrispond) wrote:
>
> >>Conclusion: there are precious>few goldfish or koi babies.>Any theories
about
> >the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not>sees clear spawning
> >behavior...but then I have not done the night and>flashlight thing.
> >
> >I have probably a hundred goldfish babies....and over a dozen koi
> >babies.....the difference this year is a HUGE amount of anacharis in all
the
> >ponds. This gives them some place to not only lay the eggs, but for the
babies
> >to hide. The koi babies are probably close to 2 inches now, and they
still
> >hang around in it....The grown koi avoid it for some reason. I highly
> >reccomend it. It also has kept the algea to zero this year....except
for a
> >little string algea in the goldfish pond Jerri
> >
> >
http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond
>
> Hi,
> My neighbor had been real snooty when i was talking about a small pond
> last year. (A bowl of green slime with hoards of mosquitos is what she
> was expecting as she knew i wouldn't have a pump, etc) She came over
> today and asked to see it. I had to wipe a grin off of my face when
> she showed surprise at my clear water! HA!
>
> I have loads of anacharis.

[Mike Naime]

I bought a lot of Anacharis and Hornwart torward the end of the season last
year. (First year for larger pond, 2nd year ponding) Over the winter, it
GREW while the fish where hibernating! This spring, there was a TON of
anacharis and Hornwart growing from the bottom of the pond. We think that
this gave the KOI the environment to make the babies that we thought they
where too young to produce. Now we have a ton of koi-lings. The greenery
has been eaten down somewhat, but we try to feed the outdoor fish twice a
day.

We are currently running 5 different sections in our main pond.
1 2'x8'x1' section for Water Hyacinth.
1 2'x8'x1' section for Mosaic and some other marginals.
1 main pond area 5.5'x10'x2' Full of Lillies and Koi.
1 150 gallon rubbermaid for Water lettuce. (Fed by a 500GPH pump from the
main area.)
1 650 gallon poly tank. 8' round. More Lillies and GF here. This is also
the place where the 2800GPH pump draws from.

Last winter, I just kept the main section(Koi) and the 8' round (GF) going.

Nedra > wrote in message
rthlink.net...
> Ann, My anacharis is in the Veggie Filter. My solution.
> Nedra
>
> Here is my first pond....
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> and here is the lotus pond ..
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
>
> "Ann in Houston" > wrote in message
> .com...
> > How do you get enough anacharis to make a difference when koi are so
fond
> of
> > it? I tried and it was just fruitless. The reason I don't have
"natural"
> > filtration in the form of plants is that the fish eat them all up before
> > they can multiply. I had to give up and give in to hubby's "gadget
> > mentality" and get a uv light. I wanted to feel like I had mastered the
> > "balance" thing and clear my own water, but he wouldn't be patient and
> > couldn't see why I didn't want to just "buy" a solution. I couldn't
> explain
> > that I don't feel like a true ponder if I didn't get the water to clear
> > naturally. It really was moot, when the plants didn't stand a chance,
but
> I
> > still wanted the koi and to him, that was the point, not the ongoing
> science
> > experiment. So, how do you still have koi and anacharis together?
> >
> > Ann
> > "Jerrispond" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >Conclusion: there are precious>few goldfish or koi babies.>Any
theories
> > about
> > > the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not>sees clear
> spawning
> > > behavior...but then I have not done the night and>flashlight thing.
> > >
> > > I have probably a hundred goldfish babies....and over a dozen koi
> > > babies.....the difference this year is a HUGE amount of anacharis in
all
> > the
> > > ponds. This gives them some place to not only lay the eggs, but for
the
> > babies
> > > to hide. The koi babies are probably close to 2 inches now, and they
> > still
> > > hang around in it....The grown koi avoid it for some reason. I
highly
> > > reccomend it. It also has kept the algea to zero this year....except
> for
> > a
> > > little string algea in the goldfish pond Jerri
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.fringeweb.com/Ponds/JerrisPond
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Wendy Kelly Budd]

I haven't had any koi babies since adding the gambusia. I have a ton of
anacharis as well as wall to wall plants, so there's lots of places for
gambusia babies to hide. :) Well, I had a ton, I removed it 3 weeks ago
when I found it was the reason my bottom drain was clogging. That damn
bottom drain is sometimes more trouble than it's worth...
--
Wendy* in N. California,
"If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be
happy, practice compassion." Dalai Lama


"Phyllis and Jim Hurley" > wrote in
message ...
> Well, I tried it again. I put on the goggles and snorkel and cruised our
> pond for about a half hour.
>
> I highly recommend it if you can fit and if your spouse/family will not
> ridicule you too much.
>
> The koi paths make better sense from an underwater perspective!
>
> After a few minutes, the fish just considered me a harmless giant. If I
sat
> still, they would come right up to my mask. The big koi look really big
> from that perspective. I need to do that with an underwater camera some
> time!
>
> After the careful search, I saw a total of one small fish that is not a
> gambusia. Sadly, it may have been a platy. Conclusion: there are precious
> few goldfish or koi babies.
>
> Any theories about the lack of babies, other than predation? I have not
> sees clear spawning behavior...but then I have not done the night and
> flashlight thing.
>
> Jim
> --
> ____________________________________________
> Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
> www.jogathon.net
> See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
>
>
>