BGD update

[johnrutz]

--as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
disease, and was loosing my Koi
well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor

this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
more Koi than I thought I had



John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

John,

So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.

Jim

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"johnrutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> --as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
> disease, and was loosing my Koi
> well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
> point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
> are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
> is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
> standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
> seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
> that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
> worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
> get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
> problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
> one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
> these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor
>
> this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
> treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
> so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
> more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

[Phyllis and Jim Hurley]

John,

So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.

Jim

--
____________________________________________
Check out Jog-A-Thon fundraiser (clears $140+ per jogger) at:
www.jogathon.net
See our pond at: http://www.home.bellsouth.net/p/pwp-jameshurley
"johnrutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> --as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
> disease, and was loosing my Koi
> well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
> point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
> are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
> is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
> standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
> seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
> that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
> worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
> get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
> problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
> one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
> these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor
>
> this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
> treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
> so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
> more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

[Nedra]

Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
I'm so sorry.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"johnrutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> --as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
> disease, and was loosing my Koi
> well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
> point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
> are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
> is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
> standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
> seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
> that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
> worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
> get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
> problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
> one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
> these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor
>
> this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
> treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
> so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
> more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>
>

[Nedra]

Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
I'm so sorry.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
"johnrutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> --as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
> disease, and was loosing my Koi
> well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
> point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
> are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
> is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
> standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
> seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
> that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
> worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
> get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
> problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
> one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
> these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor
>
> this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
> treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
> so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
> more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>
>

[johnrutz]

Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote:
> John,
>
> So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.
>
> Jim
>
Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
I'm so sorry.

Nedra

-Thanks guys -

the pond looks realy wierd with so few fish now, but there is a "good
side" to all this, I am hoping/planing to move about 18 mos from now.
it will be a lot easyer to move 11 Koi than 1oo Koi
that is if I can stay away from the LFS Koi tanks in the meantime :-)


John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[johnrutz]

Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote:
> John,
>
> So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.
>
> Jim
>
Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
I'm so sorry.

Nedra

-Thanks guys -

the pond looks realy wierd with so few fish now, but there is a "good
side" to all this, I am hoping/planing to move about 18 mos from now.
it will be a lot easyer to move 11 Koi than 1oo Koi
that is if I can stay away from the LFS Koi tanks in the meantime :-)


John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[DonKcR]

John & Carol, Wow do you have a project. That is far more than I would ever
endeavor. It looks big enough to be your own lake. My pond is a puddle next
to yours. Sorry to hear about your fish loss. But guess you learned about a
new disease from the whole ordeal. Thanks for sharing your projects.Kc
"johnrutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> --as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
> disease, and was loosing my Koi
> well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
> point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
> are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
> is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
> standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
> seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
> that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
> worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
> get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
> problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
> one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
> these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor
>
> this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
> treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
> so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
> more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

[DonKcR]

John & Carol, Wow do you have a project. That is far more than I would ever
endeavor. It looks big enough to be your own lake. My pond is a puddle next
to yours. Sorry to hear about your fish loss. But guess you learned about a
new disease from the whole ordeal. Thanks for sharing your projects.Kc
"johnrutz" > wrote in message
...
>
> --as some of you all remember last month I was hit with bacterial gill
> disease, and was loosing my Koi
> well its been over 6 weeks since i started treating the disease, at that
> point i still had 115 Koi as of today I have 11 left. 4 of which
> are my original Koi (all butterflies that I have had for 4 yrs now) one
> is the sole survivor of the new fish i bought this spring and 6 are
> standard non fancy Koi about 8 in long that I got 2 yrs ago
> seems the older butterflies were able to not get the BGD and the ones
> that have ben lost had it in various degrees, the ones that had it the
> worst of course were the first to die off, the ones Im losing now didn't
> get it so bad but still bad enough to weaken them to fall to other
> problems of Koi such as heart attack Im guessing this as some are fine
> one minute and floating the next I can see minimal gill damage in all
> these so problems processing oxygen seem to be the main factor
>
> this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
> treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
> so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
> more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

[Bonnie Espenshade]

johnrutz wrote:
>
>
> Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.
>>
>> Jim
>>
> Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
> I'm so sorry.
>
> Nedra
>
> -Thanks guys -
>
> the pond looks realy wierd with so few fish now, but there is a "good
> side" to all this, I am hoping/planing to move about 18 mos from now.
> it will be a lot easyer to move 11 Koi than 1oo Koi
> that is if I can stay away from the LFS Koi tanks in the meantime :-)
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

Sorry to hear of your continued fish loss. Question - Do
you plan on putting in a huge pond at future home site? And
where do you plan the future home site to be?

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

[Bonnie Espenshade]

johnrutz wrote:
>
>
> Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote:
>
>> John,
>>
>> So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.
>>
>> Jim
>>
> Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
> I'm so sorry.
>
> Nedra
>
> -Thanks guys -
>
> the pond looks realy wierd with so few fish now, but there is a "good
> side" to all this, I am hoping/planing to move about 18 mos from now.
> it will be a lot easyer to move 11 Koi than 1oo Koi
> that is if I can stay away from the LFS Koi tanks in the meantime :-)
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

Sorry to hear of your continued fish loss. Question - Do
you plan on putting in a huge pond at future home site? And
where do you plan the future home site to be?

--
Bonnie
NJ
http://home.earthlink.net/~maebe43/

[johnrutz]

Bonnie Espenshade wrote:
> johnrutz wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>> Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
>> I'm so sorry.
>>
>> Nedra
>>
>> -Thanks guys -
>>
>> the pond looks realy wierd with so few fish now, but there is a "good
>> side" to all this, I am hoping/planing to move about 18 mos from now.
>> it will be a lot easyer to move 11 Koi than 1oo Koi
>> that is if I can stay away from the LFS Koi tanks in the meantime :-)
>>
>>
>> John Rutz
>> Z5 New Mexico
>> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>> see my pond at:
>>
>> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>>
>
> Sorry to hear of your continued fish loss. Question - Do you plan on
> putting in a huge pond at future home site? And
> where do you plan the future home site to be?
>


--
of course :-) biggert and better and this time maybe I will get it right
the first time

a litle town outside Shrevport called Stonewall




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[johnrutz]

Bonnie Espenshade wrote:
> johnrutz wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Phyllis and Jim Hurley wrote:
>>
>>> John,
>>>
>>> So sorry to hear of the continuing losses.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>> Good Heavens, John ... I thought these losing days were over.
>> I'm so sorry.
>>
>> Nedra
>>
>> -Thanks guys -
>>
>> the pond looks realy wierd with so few fish now, but there is a "good
>> side" to all this, I am hoping/planing to move about 18 mos from now.
>> it will be a lot easyer to move 11 Koi than 1oo Koi
>> that is if I can stay away from the LFS Koi tanks in the meantime :-)
>>
>>
>> John Rutz
>> Z5 New Mexico
>> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>> see my pond at:
>>
>> http://www.fuerjefe.com
>>
>
> Sorry to hear of your continued fish loss. Question - Do you plan on
> putting in a huge pond at future home site? And
> where do you plan the future home site to be?
>


--
of course :-) biggert and better and this time maybe I will get it right
the first time

a litle town outside Shrevport called Stonewall




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[johnrutz]

Hal wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:32:27 -0600, johnrutz >
> wrote:
>
>
>>this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
>>treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
>>so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
>>more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
> I'm sorry for your loss, but if you have survivors load the pond with
> plants or spawning mats to hide eggs and fry and raise your
> replacements. I can't help but feel these survivors may have more
> resistance to the disease and are likely to pass it on to their
> descendants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal


--
My Koi are ahead of you I have a bunch of 1/2 in fry trying to survive
to adulthood ;-)




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[johnrutz]

Hal wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:32:27 -0600, johnrutz >
> wrote:
>
>
>>this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
>>treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
>>so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
>>more Koi than I thought I had
>
>
> I'm sorry for your loss, but if you have survivors load the pond with
> plants or spawning mats to hide eggs and fry and raise your
> replacements. I can't help but feel these survivors may have more
> resistance to the disease and are likely to pass it on to their
> descendants.
>
> Regards,
>
> Hal


--
My Koi are ahead of you I have a bunch of 1/2 in fry trying to survive
to adulthood ;-)




John Rutz
Z5 New Mexico

never miss a good oportunity to shut up

see my pond at:

http://www.fuerjefe.com

[Hal]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:32:27 -0600, johnrutz >
wrote:

>this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
>treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
>so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
>more Koi than I thought I had

I'm sorry for your loss, but if you have survivors load the pond with
plants or spawning mats to hide eggs and fry and raise your
replacements. I can't help but feel these survivors may have more
resistance to the disease and are likely to pass it on to their
descendants.

Regards,

Hal

[Hal]

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 21:32:27 -0600, johnrutz >
wrote:

>this was a disease I had not heard about or I might have been able to
>treat it earlier and save more of my fish and of course if I hadnt been
>so overpopulated I wouldnt have been hit so dang hard I had 80 or so
>more Koi than I thought I had

I'm sorry for your loss, but if you have survivors load the pond with
plants or spawning mats to hide eggs and fry and raise your
replacements. I can't help but feel these survivors may have more
resistance to the disease and are likely to pass it on to their
descendants.

Regards,

Hal

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

John,

Sorry to hear you ended up losing so many.

I lost a couple to ulcers this year and can empathize with the fact when
things go wrong, this hobby isn't that fun and relaxing when one goes thru
all the steps and expense to save them. ~ jan :o)

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

John,

Sorry to hear you ended up losing so many.

I lost a couple to ulcers this year and can empathize with the fact when
things go wrong, this hobby isn't that fun and relaxing when one goes thru
all the steps and expense to save them. ~ jan :o)

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website