anacharis substitute? (it's illegal in Maine)

[Brian]

Hi there,
I have two new half-barrel ponds. I put a water lily and two marginals
in each of them. I'd like to get some more plants, particularly something
that can provide oxygen and prevent algae. In my research, I've heard
glowing reviews of anacharis for this purpose. However, I just learned that
anacharis is illegal in the state of Maine so I can't buy it anywhere.
(It's also illegal to put goldfish into any outdoor pond, even a barrel!)
I'm wondering if anyone has other suggestions for floating or submerged
plants that can help me round out my ecosystem. Does anyone else keep ponds
in Maine, or are the laws too restrictive? It's a real shame, given that
there are so many natural bogs and other wetlands, that we are so restricted
in terms of recreating one in our own yards. I growing discouraged about
the possibility of putting a more ambitious water feature in my yard with
all of these regulations.

Thanks for any tips.
Brian

[Brian]

Yeah, that's what they said at the aquarium store where I tried to buy it.
They can't sell anacharis at all in Maine. It's also illegal to stock
non-native fish anywhere outside. They have really strict rules about this
stuff in Maine, but I didn't realize how much it would affect my pond plans.


"Moontanman" > wrote in message
...
> Are you sure it's illegal to put fish in an artificial pond with no out
let?
> You might be getting info about adding goldfish to a natural pond not a
lawn
> pond. As for anachris I thought it was native to Maine. where are you
getting
> your info? do they understand you are talking about a lawn pond?
>
> Moon
> remove nospam from e-mail to send to me, I grow trees in aquariums like
bonsai.
> I breed dwarf crayfish, great for planted community tanks. If you can get
me a
> shovelnose sturgeon fingerling (Scaphirhynchus platorynchus) no wild
caught
> please, contact me

[Brian]

Yeah, that's what they said at the aquarium store where I tried to buy it.
They can't sell anacharis at all in Maine. It's also illegal to stock
non-native fish anywhere outside. They have really strict rules about this
stuff in Maine, but I didn't realize how much it would affect my pond plans.


"Moontanman" > wrote in message
...
> Are you sure it's illegal to put fish in an artificial pond with no out
let?
> You might be getting info about adding goldfish to a natural pond not a
lawn
> pond. As for anachris I thought it was native to Maine. where are you
getting
> your info? do they understand you are talking about a lawn pond?
>
> Moon
> remove nospam from e-mail to send to me, I grow trees in aquariums like
bonsai.
> I breed dwarf crayfish, great for planted community tanks. If you can get
me a
> shovelnose sturgeon fingerling (Scaphirhynchus platorynchus) no wild
caught
> please, contact me

[jammer]

>Yeah, that's what they said at the aquarium store where I tried to buy it.
>They can't sell anacharis at all in Maine. It's also illegal to stock
>non-native fish anywhere outside. They have really strict rules about this
>stuff in Maine, but I didn't realize how much it would affect my pond plans.

I looked before i went to work, and after. I cant find much searching
for Maine pond club, pond society, or even koi club.

[jammer]

>Yeah, that's what they said at the aquarium store where I tried to buy it.
>They can't sell anacharis at all in Maine. It's also illegal to stock
>non-native fish anywhere outside. They have really strict rules about this
>stuff in Maine, but I didn't realize how much it would affect my pond plans.

I looked before i went to work, and after. I cant find much searching
for Maine pond club, pond society, or even koi club.

[Anne Lurie]

Brian,

I had no luck finding anything helpful for you when I googled the same
topics that Jammer did, sigh.. (And yes, Moon, goldfish seem to be illegal
in Maine, from what I read.)

OTOH, Brian, I think that you could legally put sunfish in your pond, if I
read the Maine statutes correctly. Of course, they might be somewhat
stunted in a half-barrel pond!

Have you ever thought about moving to New Hampshire? :

Sorry, but I lived in northern VT for 8 years and the best thing we could
say about New Hampshire was that it had such a great view of Vermont! (not
my words, just a quote from the *most excellent book* "Real Vermonters Don't
Milk Goats"

Anne Lurie
[finally escaped from the snow belt & moved to] Raleigh, NC



"Brian" > wrote in message
et...
> Hi there,
> I have two new half-barrel ponds. I put a water lily and two
marginals
> in each of them. I'd like to get some more plants, particularly something
> that can provide oxygen and prevent algae. In my research, I've heard
> glowing reviews of anacharis for this purpose. However, I just learned
that
> anacharis is illegal in the state of Maine so I can't buy it anywhere.
> (It's also illegal to put goldfish into any outdoor pond, even a barrel!)
> I'm wondering if anyone has other suggestions for floating or submerged
> plants that can help me round out my ecosystem. Does anyone else keep
ponds
> in Maine, or are the laws too restrictive? It's a real shame, given that
> there are so many natural bogs and other wetlands, that we are so
restricted
> in terms of recreating one in our own yards. I growing discouraged about
> the possibility of putting a more ambitious water feature in my yard with
> all of these regulations.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
> Brian
>
>

[Anne Lurie]

Brian,

I had no luck finding anything helpful for you when I googled the same
topics that Jammer did, sigh.. (And yes, Moon, goldfish seem to be illegal
in Maine, from what I read.)

OTOH, Brian, I think that you could legally put sunfish in your pond, if I
read the Maine statutes correctly. Of course, they might be somewhat
stunted in a half-barrel pond!

Have you ever thought about moving to New Hampshire? :

Sorry, but I lived in northern VT for 8 years and the best thing we could
say about New Hampshire was that it had such a great view of Vermont! (not
my words, just a quote from the *most excellent book* "Real Vermonters Don't
Milk Goats"

Anne Lurie
[finally escaped from the snow belt & moved to] Raleigh, NC



"Brian" > wrote in message
et...
> Hi there,
> I have two new half-barrel ponds. I put a water lily and two
marginals
> in each of them. I'd like to get some more plants, particularly something
> that can provide oxygen and prevent algae. In my research, I've heard
> glowing reviews of anacharis for this purpose. However, I just learned
that
> anacharis is illegal in the state of Maine so I can't buy it anywhere.
> (It's also illegal to put goldfish into any outdoor pond, even a barrel!)
> I'm wondering if anyone has other suggestions for floating or submerged
> plants that can help me round out my ecosystem. Does anyone else keep
ponds
> in Maine, or are the laws too restrictive? It's a real shame, given that
> there are so many natural bogs and other wetlands, that we are so
restricted
> in terms of recreating one in our own yards. I growing discouraged about
> the possibility of putting a more ambitious water feature in my yard with
> all of these regulations.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
> Brian
>
>

[LN \(remove NOSPAM\)]

The way I discover what's illegal in my state is to try to order it and the
website says, "Cannot ship to..." When I looked up anacharis, it said, "We
cannot ship this product to Vermont or Washington."

Where can you find what's banned in your state beyond that method?


--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Brian" > wrote in message
et...
> Hi there,
> I have two new half-barrel ponds. I put a water lily and two
marginals
> in each of them. I'd like to get some more plants, particularly something
> that can provide oxygen and prevent algae. In my research, I've heard
> glowing reviews of anacharis for this purpose. However, I just learned
that
> anacharis is illegal in the state of Maine so I can't buy it anywhere.
> (It's also illegal to put goldfish into any outdoor pond, even a barrel!)
> I'm wondering if anyone has other suggestions for floating or submerged
> plants that can help me round out my ecosystem. Does anyone else keep
ponds
> in Maine, or are the laws too restrictive? It's a real shame, given that
> there are so many natural bogs and other wetlands, that we are so
restricted
> in terms of recreating one in our own yards. I growing discouraged about
> the possibility of putting a more ambitious water feature in my yard with
> all of these regulations.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
> Brian
>
>

[LN \(remove NOSPAM\)]

The way I discover what's illegal in my state is to try to order it and the
website says, "Cannot ship to..." When I looked up anacharis, it said, "We
cannot ship this product to Vermont or Washington."

Where can you find what's banned in your state beyond that method?


--
LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed


"Brian" > wrote in message
et...
> Hi there,
> I have two new half-barrel ponds. I put a water lily and two
marginals
> in each of them. I'd like to get some more plants, particularly something
> that can provide oxygen and prevent algae. In my research, I've heard
> glowing reviews of anacharis for this purpose. However, I just learned
that
> anacharis is illegal in the state of Maine so I can't buy it anywhere.
> (It's also illegal to put goldfish into any outdoor pond, even a barrel!)
> I'm wondering if anyone has other suggestions for floating or submerged
> plants that can help me round out my ecosystem. Does anyone else keep
ponds
> in Maine, or are the laws too restrictive? It's a real shame, given that
> there are so many natural bogs and other wetlands, that we are so
restricted
> in terms of recreating one in our own yards. I growing discouraged about
> the possibility of putting a more ambitious water feature in my yard with
> all of these regulations.
>
> Thanks for any tips.
> Brian
>
>

[K30a]

LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I have in
my pond that
I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>

Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.





k30a

[K30a]

LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I have in
my pond that
I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>

Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.





k30a

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On 25 Jul 2003 04:14:12 GMT
(K30a) wrote:

> LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I
> have in my pond that
> I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>
>
> Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.

> k30a

So, did you turn in the dealer?

Cybe

[Cybe R. Wizard]

On 25 Jul 2003 04:14:12 GMT
(K30a) wrote:

> LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I
> have in my pond that
> I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>
>
> Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.

> k30a

So, did you turn in the dealer?

Cybe

[Nedra]

Cybe,
I wouldn't, would you? If you look at the numbers of plants
banned in Missouri you will see why...... no way am I going
to do their police work.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" > wrote in message
news:20030725082054.7c73606b.cyber_wizard@mindspri ng.com...
> On 25 Jul 2003 04:14:12 GMT
> (K30a) wrote:
>
> > LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I
> > have in my pond that
> > I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>
> >
> > Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.
>
> > k30a
>
> So, did you turn in the dealer?
>
> Cybe
>

[Nedra]

Cybe,
I wouldn't, would you? If you look at the numbers of plants
banned in Missouri you will see why...... no way am I going
to do their police work.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Cybe R. Wizard" > wrote in message
news:20030725082054.7c73606b.cyber_wizard@mindspri ng.com...
> On 25 Jul 2003 04:14:12 GMT
> (K30a) wrote:
>
> > LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I
> > have in my pond that
> > I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>
> >
> > Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.
>
> > k30a
>
> So, did you turn in the dealer?
>
> Cybe
>

[K30a]

Cybe wrote << So, did you turn in the dealer? >>

Nope.
At the time I didn't know it was banned
in this state.
And I wouldn't have turned them in anyway.
I'd let them know what I had found out and then they might have removed it from
sale. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

k30a

[K30a]

Cybe wrote << So, did you turn in the dealer? >>

Nope.
At the time I didn't know it was banned
in this state.
And I wouldn't have turned them in anyway.
I'd let them know what I had found out and then they might have removed it from
sale. You want to give them the benefit of the doubt.

k30a

[Anne Lurie]

I found this website yesterday when I was looking for info on anacharis --
you can check by plant name or by state name:
http://invader.dbs.umt.edu/Noxious_Weeds/ in US & Canada.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
...
> The way I discover what's illegal in my state is to try to order it and
the
> website says, "Cannot ship to..." When I looked up anacharis, it said, "We
> cannot ship this product to Vermont or Washington."
>
> Where can you find what's banned in your state beyond that method?
>
>
> --
> LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
> http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed

[Anne Lurie]

I found this website yesterday when I was looking for info on anacharis --
you can check by plant name or by state name:
http://invader.dbs.umt.edu/Noxious_Weeds/ in US & Canada.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC


"LN (remove NOSPAM)" > wrote in message
...
> The way I discover what's illegal in my state is to try to order it and
the
> website says, "Cannot ship to..." When I looked up anacharis, it said, "We
> cannot ship this product to Vermont or Washington."
>
> Where can you find what's banned in your state beyond that method?
>
>
> --
> LN in NH (new gardener in zone 5)
> http://photos.yahoo.com/lns_obsessed

[Cichlidiot]

Dan Dixon > wrote:
> I looked at that link and saw nothing about either type of anacharis being
> banned or illegal in Maine.

> Maine's own Dept of Environmental Protection does not list it either.

> http://www.state.me.us/dep/blwq/topic/invasives/invlist.htm

> What's all the hubub?

Look again, this time looking at species names, not common name. Anacharis
is Egeria densa, which is listed on that page under the now uncommon
"common" name of Brazilian Elodea (although I still remember when
anacharis was sold as elodea and I'm not too old I hope). Most of the
other good submerged plants are also banned (fanwort/camboda, milfoil,
parrot feather). Hornwort (Ceratophyllum demersum) doesn't seem to be
listed though. Perhaps that would be a viable alternative to anacharis
for the original poster.

[Cichlidiot]

Dan Dixon > wrote:
> I looked at that link and saw nothing about either type of anacharis being
> banned or illegal in Maine.

> Maine's own Dept of Environmental Protection does not list it either.

> http://www.state.me.us/dep/blwq/topic/invasives/invlist.htm

> What's all the hubub?

Look again, this time looking at species names, not common name. Anacharis
is Egeria densa, which is listed on that page under the now uncommon
"common" name of Brazilian Elodea (although I still remember when
anacharis was sold as elodea and I'm not too old I hope). Most of the
other good submerged plants are also banned (fanwort/camboda, milfoil,
parrot feather). Hornwort (Ceratophyllum demersum) doesn't seem to be
listed though. Perhaps that would be a viable alternative to anacharis
for the original poster.

[jammer]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:20:54 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> wrote:

>On 25 Jul 2003 04:14:12 GMT
(K30a) wrote:
>
>> LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I
>> have in my pond that
>> I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>
>>
>> Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.
>
>> k30a
>
>So, did you turn in the dealer?
>
>Cybe

That would be "biting the hand that feeds you" wouldn't it?

[jammer]

On Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:20:54 -0500, "Cybe R. Wizard"
> wrote:

>On 25 Jul 2003 04:14:12 GMT
(K30a) wrote:
>
>> LN wrote >><< Funny, when I looked up my state, I found some plants I
>> have in my pond that
>> I bought in my own state. Hmmm. >>
>>
>> Yup, I found frogbit for sale in my state last year, a banned plant.
>
>> k30a
>
>So, did you turn in the dealer?
>
>Cybe

That would be "biting the hand that feeds you" wouldn't it?

[Brian]

Thanks, Cichlidiot for helping me research an alternative plant! I'll see
if I can find Hornwort in my area.

Brian



"Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
...
> Dan Dixon > wrote:
> > I looked at that link and saw nothing about either type of anacharis
being
> > banned or illegal in Maine.
>
> > Maine's own Dept of Environmental Protection does not list it either.
>
> > http://www.state.me.us/dep/blwq/topic/invasives/invlist.htm
>
> > What's all the hubub?
>
> Look again, this time looking at species names, not common name. Anacharis
> is Egeria densa, which is listed on that page under the now uncommon
> "common" name of Brazilian Elodea (although I still remember when
> anacharis was sold as elodea and I'm not too old I hope). Most of the
> other good submerged plants are also banned (fanwort/camboda, milfoil,
> parrot feather). Hornwort (Ceratophyllum demersum) doesn't seem to be
> listed though. Perhaps that would be a viable alternative to anacharis
> for the original poster.

[Brian]

Thanks, Cichlidiot for helping me research an alternative plant! I'll see
if I can find Hornwort in my area.

Brian



"Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
...
> Dan Dixon > wrote:
> > I looked at that link and saw nothing about either type of anacharis
being
> > banned or illegal in Maine.
>
> > Maine's own Dept of Environmental Protection does not list it either.
>
> > http://www.state.me.us/dep/blwq/topic/invasives/invlist.htm
>
> > What's all the hubub?
>
> Look again, this time looking at species names, not common name. Anacharis
> is Egeria densa, which is listed on that page under the now uncommon
> "common" name of Brazilian Elodea (although I still remember when
> anacharis was sold as elodea and I'm not too old I hope). Most of the
> other good submerged plants are also banned (fanwort/camboda, milfoil,
> parrot feather). Hornwort (Ceratophyllum demersum) doesn't seem to be
> listed though. Perhaps that would be a viable alternative to anacharis
> for the original poster.