Re: Why doesn't the SPCA do something?

[blove]

because its just a fish
i wish the people would lose that way of thinking.

maybe there is a way people can write and voice their concerns to the
network of the show and perhaps send in caresheets on goldfish and such.

"Donald Kerns" > wrote in message
...
> Sigh,
>
> I was watching Seasame Street with my daughter this morning. Elmo takes
> his pet goldfish "Dorthy" to the vet.
>
> "Dorthy" is probably a 2.5" SL fish, being show in... oh... 1/2 - 2/3s
> of a gallon of water in a bowl.
>
> The vet pronounces "Dorthy" completely healthy and says that Elmo is
> taking very good care of it.
>
> [zoom in on fish]
> "Dorthy" is hovering near the bottom, fins as tightly clenched as I've
> ever seen. Even looks a bit de-colored.
>
> That was one STRESSED fish.
>
> Sigh.
>
> -Donald
> --
> "There is nothing so strong as gentleness, and there is nothing so
> gentle as real strength." St. Francis de Sales

[Chris + Jacqui]

"Donald Kerns" > wrote in message
...
> Sigh,
>
> I was watching Seasame Street with my daughter this morning. Elmo takes
> his pet goldfish "Dorthy" to the vet.
>
> "Dorthy" is probably a 2.5" SL fish, being show in... oh... 1/2 - 2/3s
> of a gallon of water in a bowl.
>
> The vet pronounces "Dorthy" completely healthy and says that Elmo is
> taking very good care of it.
>
> [zoom in on fish]
> "Dorthy" is hovering near the bottom, fins as tightly clenched as I've
> ever seen. Even looks a bit de-colored.
>
> That was one STRESSED fish.
>
> Sigh.
>
> -Donald
> --
> "There is nothing so strong as gentleness, and there is nothing so
> gentle as real strength." St. Francis de Sales

It's very frustrating how children's programming perpetuates myths about
what animals like. I just talked my daughters through an episode of Dora
the Explorer, a show I normally love. However in today's episode, Dora is
helping a lion who wants to join the circus. So, we had a chat about what
animals would actually prefer and how sometimes animal trainers are not very
kind to lions & other animals.

I feel for Elmo's goldfish, but be glad you're able to help your daughter
understand how fish really like to be kept. I also intend to write to the
show's producers. The more people make themselves heard, the better the
chance of eliminating these stereotypes.

Jacqui

[bassett]

For ****s sake its a children's program, How many people do you know that
has a live Elmo, living in a cage in the lounge room,, Does it really matter
if the fish was alive or
pretend with a six inch grin, and green ears,, It,s a children's program,,
How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.

How bloody paranoid are you, Take a powder, Grow up, or switch the
tellie off..

What about all the fish keepers that feed Live goldfish, to there Oscars
and other predatory fish.. or guppies, or baby Brine Shrimp, or nice fat
wriggle worms.

Tell me do you get "Bob the Builder" you would really like that,

Love bassett








Chris + Jacqui > wrote in message ...
> It's very frustrating how children's programming perpetuates myths about
> what animals like. I just talked my daughters through an episode of Dora
> the Explorer, a show I normally love. However in today's episode, Dora is
> helping a lion who wants to join the circus. So, we had a chat about what
> animals would actually prefer and how sometimes animal trainers are not
very
> kind to lions & other animals.
>
> I feel for Elmo's goldfish, but be glad you're able to help your daughter
> understand how fish really like to be kept. I also intend to write to the
> show's producers. The more people make themselves heard, the better the
> chance of eliminating these stereotypes.
>
> Jacqui
>
>
>
> "Donald Kerns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Sigh,
> >
> > I was watching Seasame Street with my daughter this morning. Elmo takes
> > his pet goldfish "Dorthy" to the vet.
> >
> > "Dorthy" is probably a 2.5" SL fish, being show in... oh... 1/2 - 2/3s
> > of a gallon of water in a bowl.
> >
> > The vet pronounces "Dorthy" completely healthy and says that Elmo is
> > taking very good care of it.
> >
> > [zoom in on fish]
> > "Dorthy" is hovering near the bottom, fins as tightly clenched as I've
> > ever seen. Even looks a bit de-colored.
> >
> > That was one STRESSED fish.
> >
> > Sigh.
> >
> > -Donald
> > --
>

[Cheryl Isaak]

Having endured a few episodes of Sesame Street, it is always the same,
nearly unmoving image of Dorothy the Goldfish. And your fins would be
clamped too under those lights - it is hot.
Cheryl

[Chris + Jacqui]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> For ****s sake its a children's program, How many people do you know
that
> has a live Elmo, living in a cage in the lounge room,, Does it really
matter
> if the fish was alive or
> pretend with a six inch grin, and green ears,, It,s a children's
program,,
> How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.
>
> How bloody paranoid are you, Take a powder, Grow up, or switch the
> tellie off..
>
> What about all the fish keepers that feed Live goldfish, to there Oscars
> and other predatory fish.. or guppies, or baby Brine Shrimp, or nice fat
> wriggle worms.
>
> Tell me do you get "Bob the Builder" you would really like that,
>
> Love bassett
>

I fail to see how I'm paranoid because I want my children to know the truth
about pet keeping. Growing up to be a mindless yobbo who believes
everything that is seen on TV is no virtue.

Feeding live fish to Oscars and other fish is an entirely different issue.

Jacqui

[Jonno]

Bassett, take a chill pill.

I think the point being made is, childrens shows
should stop stereotyping situations. It doesn't
help them learn. yes Elmo is ficticious - keeps
children amused - lying about a healthy fishes
characteristics doesn't interest them (well it might)
and if it does, get it right!


As regards to fish eating fish, well thats a different
matter. A fish can live in a small, polluted environment
and suffer for quite a long time. If it was swallowed
it'd probably die quite quickly.

Heres a scenario:
Hey would you rather, given the two choices only!!
have a fox torn slowly to death by hunting dogs, or
shot in the head - instant kill?

[Chris + Jacqui]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.
>

Uhhh..... Elmo doesn't live in the garbage bin, does he? Maybe you need to
adjust the red/green contol on your TV??

(or is THAT another issue too?? *sigh*)

Chris

[coelacanth]

Ahh--but remember that to most kids "All television is educational" It is
important that
they see animals properly housed and in good condition. My son noticed that
Bob the
Builder changed the water in his aquarium "just like daddy" and swears that
Dorothy
has Ich.

It's not unreasonable to ask for a positive example for your kids (and/or
switch the
idiot box off).

And, not to be picky, but Elmo lives in an apartment with a talking
computer, magic window
shade, animated furniture and, yes, a very wretched looking goldfish. My
guess would
be they're on "Dorothy XXVII" by now.

-coelacanth
(Who always fed his fish when Mr. Rodgers fed his.)


"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> For ****s sake its a children's program, How many people do you know
that
> has a live Elmo, living in a cage in the lounge room,, Does it really
matter
> if the fish was alive or
> pretend with a six inch grin, and green ears,, It,s a children's
program,,
> How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.
>
> How bloody paranoid are you, Take a powder, Grow up, or switch the
> tellie off..
>
> What about all the fish keepers that feed Live goldfish, to there Oscars
> and other predatory fish.. or guppies, or baby Brine Shrimp, or nice fat
> wriggle worms.
>
> Tell me do you get "Bob the Builder" you would really like that,
>
> Love bassett
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Chris + Jacqui > wrote in message ...
> > It's very frustrating how children's programming perpetuates myths about
> > what animals like. I just talked my daughters through an episode of
Dora
> > the Explorer, a show I normally love. However in today's episode, Dora
is
> > helping a lion who wants to join the circus. So, we had a chat about
what
> > animals would actually prefer and how sometimes animal trainers are not
> very
> > kind to lions & other animals.
> >
> > I feel for Elmo's goldfish, but be glad you're able to help your
daughter
> > understand how fish really like to be kept. I also intend to write to
the
> > show's producers. The more people make themselves heard, the better the
> > chance of eliminating these stereotypes.
> >
> > Jacqui
> >
> >
> >
> > "Donald Kerns" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Sigh,
> > >
> > > I was watching Seasame Street with my daughter this morning. Elmo
takes
> > > his pet goldfish "Dorthy" to the vet.
> > >
> > > "Dorthy" is probably a 2.5" SL fish, being show in... oh... 1/2 - 2/3s
> > > of a gallon of water in a bowl.
> > >
> > > The vet pronounces "Dorthy" completely healthy and says that Elmo is
> > > taking very good care of it.
> > >
> > > [zoom in on fish]
> > > "Dorthy" is hovering near the bottom, fins as tightly clenched as I've
> > > ever seen. Even looks a bit de-colored.
> > >
> > > That was one STRESSED fish.
> > >
> > > Sigh.
> > >
> > > -Donald
> > > --
> >
>
>

[bassett]

Well it proves one thing,, Your all well versed on the saga, or is it
enigma of Sesame Street.
What a great educational tool Sesame street is,,It,s an advanced form of
cartoon,,, And surprise,surprise its not real. Might be better to take the
kids to the local aquarium or Zoo. Here we go,, The Zoo,s a two hour drive
away, and we don,t have an aquarium.. So organize a field trip to the local
Pet Shop, or local vets..


bassett
The worlds not perfect, just look at me..


coelacanth > wrote in message
> Ahh--but remember that to most kids "All television is educational" It is
> important that
> they see animals properly housed and in good condition. My son noticed
that
> Bob the
> Builder changed the water in his aquarium "just like daddy" and swears
that
> Dorothy
> has Ich.
>
> It's not unreasonable to ask for a positive example for your kids (and/or
> switch the
> idiot box off).
>
> And, not to be picky, but Elmo lives in an apartment with a talking
> computer, magic window
> shade, animated furniture and, yes, a very wretched looking goldfish. My
> guess would
> be they're on "Dorothy XXVII" by now.
>
> -coelacanth
> (Who always fed his fish when Mr. Rodgers fed his.)
>
>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
> > For ****s sake its a children's program, How many people do you know
> that
> > has a live Elmo, living in a cage in the lounge room,, Does it really
> matter
> > if the fish was alive or
> > pretend with a six inch grin, and green ears,, It,s a children's
> program,,
> > How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.
> >
> > How bloody paranoid are you, Take a powder, Grow up, or switch the
> > tellie off..
> >
> > What about all the fish keepers that feed Live goldfish, to there
Oscars
> > and other predatory fish.. or guppies, or baby Brine Shrimp, or nice
fat
> > wriggle worms.
> >
> > Tell me do you get "Bob the Builder" you would really like that,
> >
> > Love bassett
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris + Jacqui > wrote in message ...
> > > It's very frustrating how children's programming perpetuates myths
about
> > > what animals like. I just talked my daughters through an episode of
> Dora
> > > the Explorer, a show I normally love. However in today's episode,
Dora
> is
> > > helping a lion who wants to join the circus. So, we had a chat about
> what
> > > animals would actually prefer and how sometimes animal trainers are
not
> > very
> > > kind to lions & other animals.
> > >
> > > I feel for Elmo's goldfish, but be glad you're able to help your
> daughter
> > > understand how fish really like to be kept. I also intend to write to
> the
> > > show's producers. The more people make themselves heard, the better
the
> > > chance of eliminating these stereotypes.
> > >
> > > Jacqui
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Donald Kerns" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Sigh,
> > > >
> > > > I was watching Seasame Street with my daughter this morning. Elmo
> takes
> > > > his pet goldfish "Dorthy" to the vet.
> > > >
> > > > "Dorthy" is probably a 2.5" SL fish, being show in... oh... 1/2 -
2/3s
> > > > of a gallon of water in a bowl.
> > > >
> > > > The vet pronounces "Dorthy" completely healthy and says that Elmo is
> > > > taking very good care of it.
> > > >
> > > > [zoom in on fish]
> > > > "Dorthy" is hovering near the bottom, fins as tightly clenched as
I've
> > > > ever seen. Even looks a bit de-colored.
> > > >
> > > > That was one STRESSED fish.
> > > >
> > > > Sigh.
> > > >
> > > > -Donald
> > > > --
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Craig]

> >
>
> Because our children watch some TV doesn't mean they live in front of it.
> We visit the zoo, pet shops & many, many other places. I don't, however,
> take my kids to the local aquarium. I'm not paying my hard earned $$$ for
> kids to see Belugas and Orcas kept in the whale sized equivalent of goldfish
> bowls. Worse even... the whales have to do tricks.

and lets not forget the local fairs that let you win a goldfish by tossing a
ping pong ball in a bowl. too many people end up with a fish not knowing what
they got themselves into..

Craig


>

[bassett]

There's more people getting into fish, because little johny won a fish at
the fairground,
then any other reason.
Nough said,, bassett

Craig > wrote in message
> > >
> >
> > Because our children watch some TV doesn't mean they live in front of
it.
> > We visit the zoo, pet shops & many, many other places. I don't,
however,
> > take my kids to the local aquarium. I'm not paying my hard earned $$$
for
> > kids to see Belugas and Orcas kept in the whale sized equivalent of
goldfish
> > bowls. Worse even... the whales have to do tricks.
>
> and lets not forget the local fairs that let you win a goldfish by
tossing a
> ping pong ball in a bowl. too many people end up with a fish not knowing
what
> they got themselves into..
>
> Craig
>
>
> >
>

[coelacanth]

Well gee, thanks for the suggestion, bassett! Of course I just did the two
hour drive to
the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco last weekend and we went to the Zoo
last
month.Oh, and we were at local fish shop three days ago. But then you knew
all that
didn't you? I await further insights into pet care, parenting and the path
to total
enlightenment.

-coelacanth

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> Well it proves one thing,, Your all well versed on the saga, or is it
> enigma of Sesame Street.
> What a great educational tool Sesame street is,,It,s an advanced form of
> cartoon,,, And surprise,surprise its not real. Might be better to take
the
> kids to the local aquarium or Zoo. Here we go,, The Zoo,s a two hour
drive
> away, and we don,t have an aquarium.. So organize a field trip to the
local
> Pet Shop, or local vets..
>
>
> bassett
> The worlds not perfect, just look at me..
>
>
> coelacanth > wrote in message
> > Ahh--but remember that to most kids "All television is educational" It
is
> > important that
> > they see animals properly housed and in good condition. My son noticed
> that
> > Bob the
> > Builder changed the water in his aquarium "just like daddy" and swears
> that
> > Dorothy
> > has Ich.
> >
> > It's not unreasonable to ask for a positive example for your kids
(and/or
> > switch the
> > idiot box off).
> >
> > And, not to be picky, but Elmo lives in an apartment with a talking
> > computer, magic window
> > shade, animated furniture and, yes, a very wretched looking goldfish.
My
> > guess would
> > be they're on "Dorothy XXVII" by now.
> >
> > -coelacanth
> > (Who always fed his fish when Mr. Rodgers fed his.)
> >
> >
> > "bassett" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > For ****s sake its a children's program, How many people do you know
> > that
> > > has a live Elmo, living in a cage in the lounge room,, Does it really
> > matter
> > > if the fish was alive or
> > > pretend with a six inch grin, and green ears,, It,s a children's
> > program,,
> > > How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.
> > >
> > > How bloody paranoid are you, Take a powder, Grow up, or switch the
> > > tellie off..
> > >
> > > What about all the fish keepers that feed Live goldfish, to there
> Oscars
> > > and other predatory fish.. or guppies, or baby Brine Shrimp, or nice
> fat
> > > wriggle worms.
> > >
> > > Tell me do you get "Bob the Builder" you would really like that,
> > >
> > > Love bassett
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Chris + Jacqui > wrote in message ...
> > > > It's very frustrating how children's programming perpetuates myths
> about
> > > > what animals like. I just talked my daughters through an episode of
> > Dora
> > > > the Explorer, a show I normally love. However in today's episode,
> Dora
> > is
> > > > helping a lion who wants to join the circus. So, we had a chat
about
> > what
> > > > animals would actually prefer and how sometimes animal trainers are
> not
> > > very
> > > > kind to lions & other animals.
> > > >
> > > > I feel for Elmo's goldfish, but be glad you're able to help your
> > daughter
> > > > understand how fish really like to be kept. I also intend to write
to
> > the
> > > > show's producers. The more people make themselves heard, the better
> the
> > > > chance of eliminating these stereotypes.
> > > >
> > > > Jacqui
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Donald Kerns" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Sigh,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was watching Seasame Street with my daughter this morning. Elmo
> > takes
> > > > > his pet goldfish "Dorthy" to the vet.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Dorthy" is probably a 2.5" SL fish, being show in... oh... 1/2 -
> 2/3s
> > > > > of a gallon of water in a bowl.
> > > > >
> > > > > The vet pronounces "Dorthy" completely healthy and says that Elmo
is
> > > > > taking very good care of it.
> > > > >
> > > > > [zoom in on fish]
> > > > > "Dorthy" is hovering near the bottom, fins as tightly clenched as
> I've
> > > > > ever seen. Even looks a bit de-colored.
> > > > >
> > > > > That was one STRESSED fish.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sigh.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Donald
> > > > > --
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[bassett]

Thank You Ethyl, the cold voice of reason. I always say, If you want to
know something
ask a woman, even when there wrong, there right.
So where does Elmo live...*sob,sob*
bassett,
If we lived in a perfect world, I'd live somewhere else.


Cold Ethyl > wrote in message

Actually it's Oscar the Grouch who lives in the bin.
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
> > For ****s sake its a children's program, How many people do you know
> that
> > has a live Elmo, living in a cage in the lounge room,, Does it really
> matter
> > if the fish was alive or
> > pretend with a six inch grin, and green ears,, It,s a children's
> program,,
> > How many kids want to be like Elmo and live in the garbage bin.
>
>
>
>

[MattO]

Basset, in an unintelligible rambling I could barely get through, wrote
> and I don,t even like "Goldfish" <punctuation sic>
And so there it is.
This is an unusually civilized, specialized, helpful & informative newsgroup
for and by people that care about their Goldfish
Only a small group that have no business here have earned their way to my
killfile
Hank Newmeyer, Nike1051, and now... basset
A troll is still a troll.
cheers
~ MattO

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> Your lucky,,, I drive longer then that for a loaf of bread. Who would
have
> thought
> that I "bassett" would be entertaining our American brothers, O;well
push
> on..I'll keep it simple.. .
> We had some of your mob, up here the other day,, Mormons they where,
> anyway , we gave then directions on how to leave and they wondered off,
> They wanted to bless
> my Dope Crop, but I wasn't having that. So we sent them up the road , to
> the bloke with the friendly sheep,, Someone said he was a kiwi, so that
> would explain it..
> Someone once said I was the way and the light,, and theirs nothing
religious
> about me,
> even thought I live in the mountains, I,m higher up you see, closer to
God.
> I digress,,,
> Anyway I'd just knocked off the latest street map, and I had a large
> economy size
> packet of double "A" batteries, for her indoors that just happened to fit
my
> little torch..
>
> You know its amazing what you can learn on a '"News group" and I don,t
even
> like
> "Goldfish" but some of these people do go on.. But it's nice to see your
a
> disciple of
> "Bob the Builder", That shows a lot of mental aptitude, and trying to
> follow the story
> demands a large amount of concentration. If you can stay awake.. Bit like
> Thomas
> the Tank Engine,,, you never see what happens in the tunnel.
> But there is something you can do for me, I,m using a spell checker ,
> produced
> by one of your countryman, Gates I think his name is,, But he does not
have
> "bassett'
> in his checker, perhaps you could have a quite word with him and get him
to
> add it
> next time..
> Love
> bassett.
> When you think things can't get any worse,, I turn up.
>
> coelacanth > wrote in message
> > Well gee, thanks for the suggestion, bassett! Of course I just did the
> two
> > hour drive to
> > the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco last weekend and we went to the
> Zoo
> > last
> > month.Oh, and we were at local fish shop three days ago. But then you
knew
> > all that
> > didn't you? I await further insights into pet care, parenting and the
path
> > to total
> > enlightenment.
> >
> > -coelacanth
> >
>
>

[bassett]

Yes, Well I did say I would keep it simple , and you still had trouble
reading my rubbish.
Not my fault that you have a literary handicap, and are unable to read plain
English, which I might say is not corrupted.
I should also like to remind you , that as a Public news group, anyone can
read and post, if you want specifics go to a registered forum, and exercise
your ego there.. Cretin.


bassett


MattO > wrote in message Basset, in an
unintelligible rambling I could barely get through, wrote
> > and I don,t even like "Goldfish" <punctuation sic>
> And so there it is.
> This is an unusually civilized, specialized, helpful & informative
newsgroup
> for and by people that care about their Goldfish
> Only a small group that have no business here have earned their way to my
> killfile
> Hank Newmeyer, Nike1051, and now... basset
> A troll is still a troll.
> cheers
> ~ MattO
>
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Your lucky,,, I drive longer then that for a loaf of bread. Who would
> have
> > thought
> > that I "bassett" would be entertaining our American brothers, O;well
> push
> > on..I'll keep it simple.. .
> > We had some of your mob, up here the other day,, Mormons they where,
> > anyway , we gave then directions on how to leave and they wondered off,
> > They wanted to bless
> > my Dope Crop, but I wasn't having that. So we sent them up the road ,
to
> > the bloke with the friendly sheep,, Someone said he was a kiwi, so that
> > would explain it..
> > Someone once said I was the way and the light,, and theirs nothing
> religious
> > about me,
> > even thought I live in the mountains, I,m higher up you see, closer to
> God.
> > I digress,,,
> > Anyway I'd just knocked off the latest street map, and I had a large
> > economy size
> > packet of double "A" batteries, for her indoors that just happened to
fit
> my
> > little torch..
> >
> > You know its amazing what you can learn on a '"News group" and I don,t
> even
> > like
> > "Goldfish" but some of these people do go on.. But it's nice to see
your
> a
> > disciple of
> > "Bob the Builder", That shows a lot of mental aptitude, and trying to
> > follow the story
> > demands a large amount of concentration. If you can stay awake.. Bit
like
> > Thomas
> > the Tank Engine,,, you never see what happens in the tunnel.
> > But there is something you can do for me, I,m using a spell checker
,
> > produced
> > by one of your countryman, Gates I think his name is,, But he does not
> have
> > "bassett'
> > in his checker, perhaps you could have a quite word with him and get him
> to
> > add it
> > next time..
> >
Love
> > bassett.
> > When you think things can't get any worse,, I turn up.
> >
> > coelacanth > wrote in message
> > > Well gee, thanks for the suggestion, bassett! Of course I just did
the
> > two
> > > hour drive to
> > > the Steinhart Aquarium in San Francisco last weekend and we went to
the
> > Zoo
> > > last
> > > month.Oh, and we were at local fish shop three days ago. But then you
> knew
> > > all that
> > > didn't you? I await further insights into pet care, parenting and the
> path
> > > to total
> > > enlightenment.
> > >
> > > -coelacanth
> > >
> >
> >
>
>