Re: bretts fish farm

[jammer]

$3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!

Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
to my 12 cent feeder!




On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
wrote:

>cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
>
>-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
>
>
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com

[jammer]

$3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!

Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
to my 12 cent feeder!




On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
wrote:

>cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
>
>-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
>
>
>
>
>
> John Rutz
> Z5 New Mexico
>
> never miss a good oportunity to shut up
>
> see my pond at:
>
> http://www.fuerjefe.com

[Nedra]

Welll ... jammer, as they say: "To each his own". ;-)

I just wish I had money for a bottom drain, a skimmer
and the Koi! No way would I bring one of Brett's fish into
my simplistic pond. The ones in there today were either
bought in 1995 or born there.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"jammer" > wrote in message
...
>
> $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
>
> Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> to my 12 cent feeder!
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> wrote:
>
> >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> >
> >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Rutz
> > Z5 New Mexico
> >
> > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> >
> > see my pond at:
> >
> > http://www.fuerjefe.com
>
>

[Nedra]

Welll ... jammer, as they say: "To each his own". ;-)

I just wish I had money for a bottom drain, a skimmer
and the Koi! No way would I bring one of Brett's fish into
my simplistic pond. The ones in there today were either
bought in 1995 or born there.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"jammer" > wrote in message
...
>
> $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
>
> Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> to my 12 cent feeder!
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> wrote:
>
> >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> >
> >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Rutz
> > Z5 New Mexico
> >
> > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> >
> > see my pond at:
> >
> > http://www.fuerjefe.com
>
>

[Gregory Young]

If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in
Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality
imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet
labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on
display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia
August 8 - 10th.
You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood
lines for $150 and up.
Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish
side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics
away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them
side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but
I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside
environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would
rather buy them young and watch them grow...
Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may
be the least attractive!
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"jammer" > wrote in message
...
>
> $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
>
> Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> to my 12 cent feeder!
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> wrote:
>
> >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> >
> >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Rutz
> > Z5 New Mexico
> >
> > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> >
> > see my pond at:
> >
> > http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

[Gregory Young]

If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in
Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality
imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host wet
labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish on
display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia
August 8 - 10th.
You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood
lines for $150 and up.
Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish
side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the domestics
away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them
side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$, but
I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside
environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would
rather buy them young and watch them grow...
Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi, may
be the least attractive!
Happy ponding,
Greg
--


"jammer" > wrote in message
...
>
> $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
>
> Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> to my 12 cent feeder!
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> wrote:
>
> >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> >
> >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > John Rutz
> > Z5 New Mexico
> >
> > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> >
> > see my pond at:
> >
> > http://www.fuerjefe.com
>

[Nedra]

Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my
pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too
short for the foreseeable future :( to fix those two minuses.
Thanks for the info anyway.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
> Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in
> Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality
> imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host
wet
> labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish
on
> display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia
> August 8 - 10th.
> You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood
> lines for $150 and up.
> Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish
> side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
domestics
> away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them
> side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
> differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$,
but
> I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside
> environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would
> rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi,
may
> be the least attractive!
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
> --
>
>
> "jammer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> >
> > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> > to my 12 cent feeder!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > >
> > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Rutz
> > > Z5 New Mexico
> > >
> > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > >
> > > see my pond at:
> > >
> > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> >
>
>
>

[Nedra]

Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my
pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too
short for the foreseeable future :( to fix those two minuses.
Thanks for the info anyway.

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
> Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in
> Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality
> imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host
wet
> labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish
on
> display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia
> August 8 - 10th.
> You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood
> lines for $150 and up.
> Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish
> side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
domestics
> away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them
> side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
> differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$,
but
> I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside
> environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would
> rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi,
may
> be the least attractive!
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
> --
>
>
> "jammer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> >
> > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> > to my 12 cent feeder!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > >
> > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Rutz
> > > Z5 New Mexico
> > >
> > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > >
> > > see my pond at:
> > >
> > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> >
>
>
>

[RichToyBox]

Greg,

Small correction on Abel, it is Ray Abell and his web site is
http://www.nishikigoiofniigata.com/. Now he only has a few of his many fish
on the site, and as stated, they are beautiful. The prices on the larger
fish are a LITTLE STEEP. He does import some smaller fish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
> Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in
> Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality
> imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host
wet
> labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish
on
> display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia
> August 8 - 10th.
> You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood
> lines for $150 and up.
> Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish
> side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
domestics
> away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them
> side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
> differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$,
but
> I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside
> environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would
> rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi,
may
> be the least attractive!
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
> --
>
>
> "jammer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> >
> > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> > to my 12 cent feeder!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > >
> > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Rutz
> > > Z5 New Mexico
> > >
> > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > >
> > > see my pond at:
> > >
> > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

Greg,

Small correction on Abel, it is Ray Abell and his web site is
http://www.nishikigoiofniigata.com/. Now he only has a few of his many fish
on the site, and as stated, they are beautiful. The prices on the larger
fish are a LITTLE STEEP. He does import some smaller fish.
--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
. ..
> If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check out
> Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place in
> Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best quality
> imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC, host
wet
> labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their fish
on
> display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly Virginia
> August 8 - 10th.
> You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good blood
> lines for $150 and up.
> Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the fish
> side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
domestics
> away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see them
> side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
> differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the $$,
but
> I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an outside
> environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I would
> rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest koi,
may
> be the least attractive!
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
> --
>
>
> "jammer" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> >
> > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am attached
> > to my 12 cent feeder!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > >
> > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > John Rutz
> > > Z5 New Mexico
> > >
> > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > >
> > > see my pond at:
> > >
> > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> >
>
>

[K30a]

Greg wrote >>Mink vs. man...<<

Let me know if the DIY 4 inch electric fence works.
I'm working on another predator deterrent article.


k30a
yearly brother website posting
http://www.30acreimaging.com/

[K30a]

Greg wrote >>Mink vs. man...<<

Let me know if the DIY 4 inch electric fence works.
I'm working on another predator deterrent article.


k30a
yearly brother website posting
http://www.30acreimaging.com/

[RichToyBox]

Greg,

The wife and I are on the MAKC booth Friday evening 4-6. Come on by, I
would love to lay eyes on some of the people on the newsgroup. If you are
coming to Richmond to see Ray, you are welcome to come to the other side of
town and see my ponds and gardens.

And yes, Ray has a lot of gorgeous fish.

--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Nedra:
> No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the
> cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!!
> Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could
> understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby,
but
> outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they
> were kept in a heated, enclosed pond....
> I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all
my
> best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were
too
> clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no
> luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4
> inches above ground level).
> I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a
> simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As
I
> need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots
> more than that.
> I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for
> small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The
> wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum.
> Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is
> betting on the mink, and she is usually right!
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
>
> PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the
> correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them
> safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank
to
> get everything setup.
>
> PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA
> staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked
> to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday,
> following the show..
> Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so
> it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the
> block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of
months
> back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last
> nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it
was
> a no brainer!)
>
> Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a
face
> to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with
> registration and try to track you down..
>
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> thlink.net...
> > Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
> > buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my
> > pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too
> > short for the foreseeable future :( to fix those two minuses.
> > Thanks for the info anyway.
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check
> out
> > > Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place
in
> > > Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best
quality
> > > imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> > > Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC,
host
> > wet
> > > labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their
> fish
> > on
> > > display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly
Virginia
> > > August 8 - 10th.
> > > You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good
> blood
> > > lines for $150 and up.
> > > Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the
> fish
> > > side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
> > domestics
> > > away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see
> them
> > > side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> > > We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
> > > differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> > > I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the
$$,
> > but
> > > I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an
outside
> > > environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I
would
> > > rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> > > Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest
koi,
> > may
> > > be the least attractive!
> > > Happy ponding,
> > > Greg
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "jammer" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> > > >
> > > > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am
attached
> > > > to my 12 cent feeder!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > > > >
> > > > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Rutz
> > > > > Z5 New Mexico
> > > > >
> > > > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > > > >
> > > > > see my pond at:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[RichToyBox]

Greg,

The wife and I are on the MAKC booth Friday evening 4-6. Come on by, I
would love to lay eyes on some of the people on the newsgroup. If you are
coming to Richmond to see Ray, you are welcome to come to the other side of
town and see my ponds and gardens.

And yes, Ray has a lot of gorgeous fish.

--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/pondintro.html


"Gregory Young" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Nedra:
> No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on the
> cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!!
> Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I could
> understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby,
but
> outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it they
> were kept in a heated, enclosed pond....
> I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite all
my
> best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were
too
> clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no
> luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4
> inches above ground level).
> I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a
> simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod). As
I
> need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost lots
> more than that.
> I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around for
> small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs. The
> wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum.
> Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is
> betting on the mink, and she is usually right!
> Happy ponding,
> Greg
>
> PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the
> correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep them
> safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank
to
> get everything setup.
>
> PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the AKCA
> staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked
> to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday,
> following the show..
> Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me), so
> it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as the
> block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of
months
> back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last
> nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it
was
> a no brainer!)
>
> Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a
face
> to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with
> registration and try to track you down..
>
>
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> thlink.net...
> > Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
> > buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my
> > pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too
> > short for the foreseeable future :( to fix those two minuses.
> > Thanks for the info anyway.
> >
> > Nedra
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> >
> > "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to check
> out
> > > Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's place
in
> > > Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best
quality
> > > imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> > > Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC,
host
> > wet
> > > labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their
> fish
> > on
> > > display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly
Virginia
> > > August 8 - 10th.
> > > You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good
> blood
> > > lines for $150 and up.
> > > Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see the
> fish
> > > side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
> > domestics
> > > away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see
> them
> > > side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> > > We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are large
> > > differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> > > I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the
$$,
> > but
> > > I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an
outside
> > > environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I
would
> > > rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> > > Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest
koi,
> > may
> > > be the least attractive!
> > > Happy ponding,
> > > Greg
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > > "jammer" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> > > >
> > > > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am
attached
> > > > to my 12 cent feeder!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > > > >
> > > > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > John Rutz
> > > > > Z5 New Mexico
> > > > >
> > > > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > > > >
> > > > > see my pond at:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Gregory Young]

Already have the bib!
Thanks Lee!

--


"Lee Brouillet" > wrote in message
...
> I purchased one of my fish from Ray Abel, a beautiful little goromo that
> took second place, and all I wanted to do was keep him someplace for a few
> days until I was ready to go home! The judges said he would have done
> better, but it was mid-March, and the poor little guy was a bit skinny
from
> winter.
>
> FWIW: take a bib to protect your shirt from the drool . . . the man has
> some fanTAStic fish!
>
> Lee
>
> "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Nedra:
> > No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on
the
> > cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!!
> > Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I
could
> > understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby,
> but
> > outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it
they
> > were kept in a heated, enclosed pond....
> > I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite
all
> my
> > best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were
> too
> > clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no
> > luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4
> > inches above ground level).
> > I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a
> > simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod).
As
> I
> > need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost
lots
> > more than that.
> > I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around
for
> > small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs.
The
> > wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum.
> > Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is
> > betting on the mink, and she is usually right!
> > Happy ponding,
> > Greg
> >
> > PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the
> > correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep
them
> > safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank
> to
> > get everything setup.
> >
> > PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the
AKCA
> > staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked
> > to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday,
> > following the show..
> > Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me),
so
> > it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as
the
> > block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of
> months
> > back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last
> > nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it
> was
> > a no brainer!)
> >
> > Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a
> face
> > to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with
> > registration and try to track you down..
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > thlink.net...
> > > Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
> > > buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my
> > > pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too
> > > short for the foreseeable future :( to fix those two minuses.
> > > Thanks for the info anyway.
> > >
> > > Nedra
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > >
> > > "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to
check
> > out
> > > > Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's
place
> in
> > > > Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best
> quality
> > > > imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> > > > Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC,
> host
> > > wet
> > > > labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their
> > fish
> > > on
> > > > display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly
> Virginia
> > > > August 8 - 10th.
> > > > You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good
> > blood
> > > > lines for $150 and up.
> > > > Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see
the
> > fish
> > > > side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
> > > domestics
> > > > away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see
> > them
> > > > side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> > > > We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are
large
> > > > differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> > > > I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the
> $$,
> > > but
> > > > I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an
> outside
> > > > environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I
> would
> > > > rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> > > > Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest
> koi,
> > > may
> > > > be the least attractive!
> > > > Happy ponding,
> > > > Greg
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "jammer" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> > > > >
> > > > > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am
> attached
> > > > > to my 12 cent feeder!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Rutz
> > > > > > Z5 New Mexico
> > > > > >
> > > > > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > > > > >
> > > > > > see my pond at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Gregory Young]

Already have the bib!
Thanks Lee!

--


"Lee Brouillet" > wrote in message
...
> I purchased one of my fish from Ray Abel, a beautiful little goromo that
> took second place, and all I wanted to do was keep him someplace for a few
> days until I was ready to go home! The judges said he would have done
> better, but it was mid-March, and the poor little guy was a bit skinny
from
> winter.
>
> FWIW: take a bib to protect your shirt from the drool . . . the man has
> some fanTAStic fish!
>
> Lee
>
> "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Nedra:
> > No, not at all! I was just responding to jammer, agreeing with him on
the
> > cost of some Koi, which can go for megabucks!!
> > Inside, in a controlled (or at least semicontrolled environment), I
could
> > understand it if you had lots of $$ you wished to invest in your hobby,
> but
> > outside, at least here in WNY, I could never understand it, unless it
they
> > were kept in a heated, enclosed pond....
> > I still haven't caught my mink, (who fished out my koi and GF)despite
all
> my
> > best efforts with baited have-a-hearts, but the pros warned me mink were
> too
> > clever to catch in that fashion. But even a professional trapper had no
> > luck, so I guess I will go with a low visibility electric fence (about 4
> > inches above ground level).
> > I was looking at the fi-shock, but they want a large amount of $$ for a
> > simple fence (retail $155 for 10 posts, wire, shocker and ground rod).
As
> I
> > need a total of about 146 feet to go around everything, it will cost
lots
> > more than that.
> > I can do it for a fraction of that cost, but will have to look around
for
> > small decorative plastic posts that can serve as insulated standoffs.
The
> > wire I have, the shocker I can get for $30 maximum.
> > Mink vs. man.. should be interesting to see who wins. I think my wife is
> > betting on the mink, and she is usually right!
> > Happy ponding,
> > Greg
> >
> > PS I really intend to bring back some of Abel's Koi (thanks for the
> > correction on the typo Rich) from the Koi USA show, so I have to keep
them
> > safe somehow! I have 6 weeks while they are in isolation in my show tank
> to
> > get everything setup.
> >
> > PPS Rich.. a little steep? Wow, some get right up there, but all the
AKCA
> > staff, judges, and almost all of the MAKC folks I have talked
> > to/corresponded with swear he is #1, so I will check him out Monday,
> > following the show..
> > Am bringing a small group from my Koi club here in WNY (8 counting me),
so
> > it should be fun. We will be staying at the Suites across the way, as
the
> > block rates for host hotel were not available when I called couple of
> months
> > back. (instead of $69/night block rate they quoted $129 for 1st and last
> > nights, and $89 for other 2 nights!.. suites were only $72/night, so it
> was
> > a no brainer!)
> >
> > Any other NG readers making the show, that would like to meet up for a
> face
> > to face?? RTB I know will be manning a booth.. Rich I will check in with
> > registration and try to track you down..
> >
> >
> >
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > thlink.net...
> > > Greg, I know your post was *not* directed to me. I can't
> > > buy any Koi at all - no matter how reasonable due to my
> > > pond not having a bottom drain or a skimmer. $$ are too
> > > short for the foreseeable future :( to fix those two minuses.
> > > Thanks for the info anyway.
> > >
> > > Nedra
> > > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > >
> > > "Gregory Young" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > If you want some quality koi, for reasonable $$, you may want to
check
> > out
> > > > Koi by Keiren, located in Pa near Philadelphia, or Harry Abel's
place
> in
> > > > Virginia. The latter is regarded as the place to go for the best
> quality
> > > > imports on the East coast, but the former is pretty close..
> > > > Both are major Japanese importers, are active with AKCA, and MAKC,
> host
> > > wet
> > > > labs with Drs Johnson, Yoshi, etc., and both will have some of their
> > fish
> > > on
> > > > display at the upcoming national Koi America show in Chantilly
> Virginia
> > > > August 8 - 10th.
> > > > You can get quality Japanese Koi, (younger of course), but from good
> > blood
> > > > lines for $150 and up.
> > > > Why spend even $150??.. that's easy. All you have to do is to see
the
> > fish
> > > > side by side. The colors and patterns of the Japanese Koi blow the
> > > domestics
> > > > away. The reds are true reds, not orange reds. Again, unless you see
> > them
> > > > side by side you won't necessarily appreciate how much they differ.
> > > > We've certainly made progress in domestics, but there still are
large
> > > > differences between domestics and the Japanese imports.
> > > > I guess if you want to buy adult show champs, etc, you could pay the
> $$,
> > > but
> > > > I agree.. I would not want to pay that kind of $$ for fish in an
> outside
> > > > environment, with variables that are sometimes hard to control. I
> would
> > > > rather buy them young and watch them grow...
> > > > Each to their own.. it depends on what you want. Some of the nicest
> koi,
> > > may
> > > > be the least attractive!
> > > > Happy ponding,
> > > > Greg
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "jammer" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > $3500 for a freakin' fish that lives outside? UNH UH!
> > > > >
> > > > > Did anyone here do anything that crazy when buying fish? I am
> attached
> > > > > to my 12 cent feeder!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 26 Jul 2003 08:25:05 -0600, johnrutz >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >cant remember if the url was posted or not so here it is
> > > > > >
> > > > > >-- http://www.brettsfishfarm.com/default.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > John Rutz
> > > > > > Z5 New Mexico
> > > > > >
> > > > > > never miss a good oportunity to shut up
> > > > > >
> > > > > > see my pond at:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.fuerjefe.com
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>