Persistant bacterial infection....

[AndrewRobinson]

First off I'd like to introduce myself.My name is Andrew and I have been
keeping goldfish and tropical fish for a little over a year now.I finally
got around to setting up my news reader and emmediately found groups
regarding fishkeeping among others interests.

Anyways...I have a female pearl scale who for the past few months has
been plagued by tiny bloody spots on her body.The spots seem to fade and
reappear at random.They don't seem to be affecting her other than the fact
that she is not growing as fast as my other goldfish.She eats well and isn't
lathargic.

I have tried every remedy I could find and nothing seems to
help...antibiotics,salt baths,melafix,etc.

My water conditions are good as far as pH,ammonia,nitrite and nitrate
are concerned.I don't imagine she can last indefinitely in this state....the
infection is bound to win out sooner or later.

Has anyone here had similar experiences?If so how did you fare in
finding a cure?

Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thankyou,
Andrew

[Jonno]

if it definitely is bacterial you could try
raising the temperature of the tank a little
and see if that will help.

Also do daily water changes to try and flush out the
bacteria from the water for at least a week.

That would be my suggestion if you have tried everything
else.

[Toni]

"AndrewRobinson" > wrote in message
. ..
> Anyways...I have a female pearl scale who for the past few months has
> been plagued by tiny bloody spots on her body.The spots seem to fade and
> reappear at random.They don't seem to be affecting her other than the fact
> that she is not growing as fast as my other goldfish.She eats well and
isn't
> lathargic.
>
> I have tried every remedy I could find and nothing seems to
> help...antibiotics,salt baths,melafix,etc.
>


Folks have been reporting excellent results with Antibac Bath- said to be
the best thing other than antibiotic injections for persistant bacterial
infections.
http://www.goldfishconnection.com/shop/details.php?productId=28&catId=21


--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/aquarium.htm

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what's in it? Ingrid

"Toni" > wrote:
>Folks have been reporting excellent results with Antibac Bath-


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[Toni]

> wrote (regarding Antibac-Bath)

> what's in it? Ingrid



That's a good question.
My bottle does not list ingredients- clear capsules containing a *very*
bright chartreuse colored powder.

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Toni
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pearls are notoriously touchy about water quality.... and minerals
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/puregold/care/care3.htm#PEARL
they need very low nitrates, less than 20 ppm and extremely good aeration to move the
ammonia away from their body. Ingrid

"AndrewRobinson" > wrote:
female pearl scale who for the past few months has
>been plagued by tiny bloody spots on her body.The spots seem to fade and
>reappear at random.They don't seem to be affecting her other than the fact
>that she is not growing as fast as my other goldfish.She eats well and isn't
>lathargic.
>
> I have tried every remedy I could find and nothing seems to
>help...antibiotics,salt baths,melafix,etc.
>
> My water conditions are good as far as pH,ammonia,nitrite and nitrate
>are concerned.I don't imagine she can last indefinitely in this state....the
>infection is bound to win out sooner or later.
>
> Has anyone here had similar experiences?If so how did you fare in
>finding a cure?
>
>Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thankyou,
> Andrew
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

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you use meds without knowing what they are?
http://www.dermstore.com/product_Antibac+Protection_1189.htm says antibac is a
facial scrub containing behenyl alcohol, Cyclomethicone, and Lysozyme.
OTOH, http://www.skybright.co.nz/products/health/antibac_spray.html says the spray is
HYDROGEN PEROXIDE H2O2 WITH COLLOIDAL SILVER Ag+
the "ponddoc" doesnt say what is in it.
now somebody on Puregold said it was nitrofurazone... so maybe there are two things
with same name?????
nitrofurazone is an old antibiotic type treatment
According to Noga: "Nifurpirinol is a nitrofuran. Some are stable in both freshwater
and sal****er and are rapidly absorbed by fish. Unfortunately, nitrofurans are
carcinogenic, genotoxic and mutagenic and are strictly illegal for use on fish in
some countries, including the United States. Nitrofurans are photosensitive and may
be inactivated in bright light. Catfish, loaches and other scaleless fish are
considered sensitive to water-borne nitrofurans, but this varies with species." I
think the ban is only for food fish. Given the genotoxicity, it would not be wise to
use on fish that are breeders. "

Ingrid



"Toni" > wrote:

> wrote (regarding Antibac-Bath)
>
>> what's in it? Ingrid
>
>
>
>That's a good question.
>My bottle does not list ingredients- clear capsules containing a *very*
>bright chartreuse colored powder.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[BErney1014]

>"Nifurpirinol is a nitrofuran. Some are stable in both freshwater
>and sal****er and are rapidly absorbed by fish. Unfortunately, nitrofurans
>are
>carcinogenic, genotoxic and mutagenic and are strictly illegal for use on
>fish in
>some countries, including the United States.


Ornamental fish have benifitted from life saving drugs in that family for
decades. Goldfish especially have been positive in treatments with the family.
They are not illegal or banned.
If you went to all the trouble to search, you would have found furanace, known
as the "Silver Bullet of Aquaculture" and a host of other like meds. Why would
you leave out all the positives? It seems your competitors have advanced the
hobby and sell stuff that works.

http://users6.cgiforme.com/aquanaut/messages/341.html
http://www.argent-labs.com/argentwebsite/index.htm

[AndrewRobinson]

I already have tried raising the water temp with no positive results and I
tore down the tank just three weeks ago when I moved so I would think the
water should be cear of any harmful bacteria....

If it isn't bacterial what could it be?Viral?I dont see any signs of
parasites.

"Jonno" > wrote in message
...
> if it definitely is bacterial you could try
> raising the temperature of the tank a little
> and see if that will help.
>
> Also do daily water changes to try and flush out the
> bacteria from the water for at least a week.
>
> That would be my suggestion if you have tried everything
> else.

[AndrewRobinson]

Thanks for the suggestion.I will have to ask around about this.

"Toni" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
>
> "AndrewRobinson" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Anyways...I have a female pearl scale who for the past few months
has
> > been plagued by tiny bloody spots on her body.The spots seem to fade and
> > reappear at random.They don't seem to be affecting her other than the
fact
> > that she is not growing as fast as my other goldfish.She eats well and
> isn't
> > lathargic.
> >
> > I have tried every remedy I could find and nothing seems to
> > help...antibiotics,salt baths,melafix,etc.
> >
>
>
> Folks have been reporting excellent results with Antibac Bath- said to be
> the best thing other than antibiotic injections for persistant bacterial
> infections.
> http://www.goldfishconnection.com/shop/details.php?productId=28&catId=21
>
>
> --
> Toni
> http://www.cearbhaill.com/aquarium.htm
>
>

[AndrewRobinson]

Thanks for the link...Very informative.
I had no idea about calcium and pottasium.I'll have to look into
supplimenting.
I use salt religiously and my water straight from the tap is pH 7.5 so no
worries there...

> wrote in message
...
> pearls are notoriously touchy about water quality.... and minerals
> http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/puregold/care/care3.htm#PEARL
> they need very low nitrates, less than 20 ppm and extremely good aeration
to move the
> ammonia away from their body. Ingrid
>
> "AndrewRobinson" > wrote:
> female pearl scale who for the past few months has
> >been plagued by tiny bloody spots on her body.The spots seem to fade and
> >reappear at random.They don't seem to be affecting her other than the
fact
> >that she is not growing as fast as my other goldfish.She eats well and
isn't
> >lathargic.
> >
> > I have tried every remedy I could find and nothing seems to
> >help...antibiotics,salt baths,melafix,etc.
> >
> > My water conditions are good as far as pH,ammonia,nitrite and nitrate
> >are concerned.I don't imagine she can last indefinitely in this
state....the
> >infection is bound to win out sooner or later.
> >
> > Has anyone here had similar experiences?If so how did you fare in
> >finding a cure?
> >
> >Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> >Thankyou,
> > Andrew
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.