3 fish pushing round another

[_Scott_]

Hi everyone,
I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and leaning up
against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly health,
actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food in to
distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.

There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming very
hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to another tank
it it keeps up.

any assistance would be great.

cheers
Scott

[Mel]

First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to give
goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste they
produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
possibility.
If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female, pushing
their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They will
also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the release
of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
Mel.

"_Scott_" > wrote in message
...
> Hi everyone,
> I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and leaning up
> against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly health,
> actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food in to
> distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
>
> There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming very
> hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to another
tank
> it it keeps up.
>
> any assistance would be great.
>
> cheers
> Scott
>
>

[_Scott_]

Yeah I know about the over stocking I am in the process of moving a couple
of the fish to another tank I was waiting to see the gender of the fish
before I did, I now know :)
I think she is about to release her eggs, not knowing about fish spawning,
if I move her into another tank with the eggs be furtilised or are they
futilised after release?

cheers
Scott
"Mel" > wrote in message
...
> First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to give
> goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste they
> produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> possibility.
> If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female, pushing
> their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They will
> also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the
release
> of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
> Mel.
>
> "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi everyone,
> > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and leaning
up
> > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly health,
> > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food in to
> > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> >
> > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming very
> > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to another
> tank
> > it it keeps up.
> >
> > any assistance would be great.
> >
> > cheers
> > Scott
> >
> >
>
>

[Oscar]

Mel, we recently bought our 1st small tank of around 60L and stocked it with
6 baby goldfish that are 2-3 inch long. Do you consider that overstocked?
Never heard of a 10gal/fish rule before, or are you talking about much
larger mature fish here?

Oscar


"Mel" > wrote in message
...
> First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to give
> goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste they
> produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> possibility.
> If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female, pushing
> their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They will
> also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the
release
> of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
> Mel.
>
> "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi everyone,
> > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and leaning
up
> > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly health,
> > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food in to
> > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> >
> > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming very
> > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to another
> tank
> > it it keeps up.
> >
> > any assistance would be great.
> >
> > cheers
> > Scott
> >
> >
>
>

[Shannon]

If you move her into another tank the eggs would not be fertilised.
The male fertilises the eggs while they are out of the female.

Shannon

"_Scott_" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah I know about the over stocking I am in the process of moving a couple
> of the fish to another tank I was waiting to see the gender of the fish
> before I did, I now know :)
> I think she is about to release her eggs, not knowing about fish spawning,
> if I move her into another tank with the eggs be furtilised or are they
> futilised after release?
>
> cheers
> Scott
> "Mel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to give
> > goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste they
> > produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> > possibility.
> > If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female, pushing
> > their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They will
> > also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the
> release
> > of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
> > Mel.
> >
> > "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and leaning
> up
> > > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly health,
> > > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food in
to
> > > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> > >
> > > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming
very
> > > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to
another
> > tank
> > > it it keeps up.
> > >
> > > any assistance would be great.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Mel]

Unfortunately you are overstocked. People at aquatic/pet stores are
notorious for giving out wrong information regarding goldfish, probably in
an attempt to make more money or possibly through ignorance. People get
their fish home and they either die and they go back to buy more, or they
realise they are outgrowing their tank and go back to buy bigger. Either way
they stand to make a few extra quid!
It is actually 10US gallon and 8Uk gallons. This might sound extreme but it
really isn't considering a goldies lifespan (20+ years), the size they
become and the messy little beasts that they are! They might be able to
survive in smaller tanks (although probably not for 20 years) but they
certainly won't thrive. Also in overstocked tanks the nitrate levels usually
spiral out of control which can cause health problems in the fish. Goldfish
also become stunted when kept in cramped surroundings which can lead to
deformities and ill health.
Your goldfish will grow extremely quickly and you will notice very soon that
they are looking a bit cramped (if they're not already). I have one of my
goldfish (an oranda) in a tank your size and he's having to move to bigger
and better because he hasn't got much room anymore. Once they are a few
years old even a 10 gallon isn't really big enough for them!
I don't know whether you test your water parameters regularly, but are your
ammonia 0, nitrite 0 and nitrates under 20? If not and your tank is cycled
then this will soon cause problems. You might be able to control your water
quality while they are tiny (even this will be hard work) but once they get
a bit bigger, despite every effort from you it will quickly become
impossible to keep it good.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
Mel.

"Oscar" > wrote in message
...
> Mel, we recently bought our 1st small tank of around 60L and stocked it
with
> 6 baby goldfish that are 2-3 inch long. Do you consider that overstocked?
> Never heard of a 10gal/fish rule before, or are you talking about much
> larger mature fish here?
>
> Oscar
>
>
> "Mel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to give
> > goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste they
> > produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> > possibility.
> > If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female, pushing
> > their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They will
> > also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the
> release
> > of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
> > Mel.
> >
> > "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and leaning
> up
> > > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly health,
> > > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food in
to
> > > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> > >
> > > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming
very
> > > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to
another
> > tank
> > > it it keeps up.
> > >
> > > any assistance would be great.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Oscar]

Thanks Mel, for all that very useful info.

Actually we only got the (cold water) tank last week and never had a tank
before, so it's all new to us. There are some black ones and others that
look like mini-Koi ??!! (not sure of the species, has to read up on that)

Tend to agree with you that the people in the pet shop are after profits and
sales, and considering our ignorance we had it coming. Nevertheless we enjoy
the new tank, spend now more time watching the fish than the TV!

Got a book from the library on goldfish, which I am in the process of
reading and they mention a 2L/cm rule. It works like this: add up the total
length of all the fish in cm and multiply by 2, that gives the required tank
capacity in litres. Did that yesterday and our fish totalled 45cm for 8 fish
and we got a 50 litre tank, and we should have 90L.

Got a test for pH, which the guy said to hold around 7.4 but nothing else,
never heard of tests for "ammonia, nitrite and nitrates", that's another
thing we have to figure out. A yes, also got an airpump and filter and water
conditioner.

We also have a bigger outdoor inground pond / fountain with water plants
(maybe 500-1000L) do people ever put their aquarium fish there after they
get too big? We are in Sydney / Australia so the climate is Mediterranean
mild, but we have some predatory species around, cats, meat eating birds,
etc. And sometime frogs in the pond.

Thanks again, Oscar



"Mel" > wrote in message
...
> Unfortunately you are overstocked. People at aquatic/pet stores are
> notorious for giving out wrong information regarding goldfish, probably in
> an attempt to make more money or possibly through ignorance. People get
> their fish home and they either die and they go back to buy more, or they
> realise they are outgrowing their tank and go back to buy bigger. Either
way
> they stand to make a few extra quid!
> It is actually 10US gallon and 8Uk gallons. This might sound extreme but
it
> really isn't considering a goldies lifespan (20+ years), the size they
> become and the messy little beasts that they are! They might be able to
> survive in smaller tanks (although probably not for 20 years) but they
> certainly won't thrive. Also in overstocked tanks the nitrate levels
usually
> spiral out of control which can cause health problems in the fish.
Goldfish
> also become stunted when kept in cramped surroundings which can lead to
> deformities and ill health.
> Your goldfish will grow extremely quickly and you will notice very soon
that
> they are looking a bit cramped (if they're not already). I have one of my
> goldfish (an oranda) in a tank your size and he's having to move to bigger
> and better because he hasn't got much room anymore. Once they are a few
> years old even a 10 gallon isn't really big enough for them!
> I don't know whether you test your water parameters regularly, but are
your
> ammonia 0, nitrite 0 and nitrates under 20? If not and your tank is cycled
> then this will soon cause problems. You might be able to control your
water
> quality while they are tiny (even this will be hard work) but once they
get
> a bit bigger, despite every effort from you it will quickly become
> impossible to keep it good.
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
> Mel.
>
> "Oscar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Mel, we recently bought our 1st small tank of around 60L and stocked it
> with
> > 6 baby goldfish that are 2-3 inch long. Do you consider that
overstocked?
> > Never heard of a 10gal/fish rule before, or are you talking about much
> > larger mature fish here?
> >
> > Oscar
> >
> >
> > "Mel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to
give
> > > goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste
they
> > > produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> > > possibility.
> > > If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female,
pushing
> > > their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They
will
> > > also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the
> > release
> > > of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
> > > Mel.
> > >
> > > "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and
leaning
> > up
> > > > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly
health,
> > > > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food
in
> to
> > > > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > > > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> > > >
> > > > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its swimming
> very
> > > > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to
> another
> > > tank
> > > > it it keeps up.
> > > >
> > > > any assistance would be great.
> > > >
> > > > cheers
> > > > Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Mel]

Unfortunately it seems that most books print outdated information too. Get
yourself the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate test kits as they are extremely
important to have with a new tank which is just beginning to cycle. (You can
buy them online of your lfs doesn't stock them although they should do). The
cycling process can take anything up to a couple of months and during this
time you will experience a spike in first ammonia then nitrites. Both of
these will rise to extremely high levels and will make the water very toxic
to the fish, especially in such an overstocked tank. (When you get a new
tank it is best to add the fish very gradually and not all at once so the
bio-bugs in the filter get a chance to get used to the extra work load and
accomplish themselves).
While your ammonia and nitrites are spiking it will become necessary to
perform daily water changes of 30% to dilute the ammonia and nitrite so they
don't harm your fish. This is where the test kits come in. Without them you
will have no idea what's going on with your water parameters and they could
quickly become out of control causing new tank syndrome which can often kill
the fish. Keep testing the water and while the ammonia and nitrites are high
do the daily water change thing. They will eventually start to lower by
themselves as nitrates kick in. The cycling is only complete when your
ammonia and nitrite are 0, and nitrate is over 0 but preferably under 20.
Once this happens it is usually only necessary to perform a weekly water
change of 30% but as your tank is overstocked it will almost certainly be
necessary to up this to 2 or even 3 times a week. Your maintenance schedule
can be determined by watching your water parameters with the test kits. If
your ammonia or nitrites ever go above 0 you need to seriously increase
water changes, and if your nitrates start creeping up this also means that
you need to increase your water changes.
As for PH - as long as this doesn't fluctuate the fish will be absolutely
fine. It is only when it keeps changing that problems occur. So if your Ph
isn't exactly 7.4 please don't go adding these over the counter remedies to
increase it or lower it as they often do more harm than good and stress the
fish. Goldfish do prefer a PH around 7 but will acclimatise to whatever
water they are in as long as it stays static and be absolutely fine.
Mel.
"Oscar" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Mel, for all that very useful info.
>
> Actually we only got the (cold water) tank last week and never had a tank
> before, so it's all new to us. There are some black ones and others that
> look like mini-Koi ??!! (not sure of the species, has to read up on that)
>
> Tend to agree with you that the people in the pet shop are after profits
and
> sales, and considering our ignorance we had it coming. Nevertheless we
enjoy
> the new tank, spend now more time watching the fish than the TV!
>
> Got a book from the library on goldfish, which I am in the process of
> reading and they mention a 2L/cm rule. It works like this: add up the
total
> length of all the fish in cm and multiply by 2, that gives the required
tank
> capacity in litres. Did that yesterday and our fish totalled 45cm for 8
fish
> and we got a 50 litre tank, and we should have 90L.
>
> Got a test for pH, which the guy said to hold around 7.4 but nothing else,
> never heard of tests for "ammonia, nitrite and nitrates", that's another
> thing we have to figure out. A yes, also got an airpump and filter and
water
> conditioner.
>
> We also have a bigger outdoor inground pond / fountain with water plants
> (maybe 500-1000L) do people ever put their aquarium fish there after they
> get too big? We are in Sydney / Australia so the climate is Mediterranean
> mild, but we have some predatory species around, cats, meat eating birds,
> etc. And sometime frogs in the pond.
>
> Thanks again, Oscar
>
>
>
> "Mel" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Unfortunately you are overstocked. People at aquatic/pet stores are
> > notorious for giving out wrong information regarding goldfish, probably
in
> > an attempt to make more money or possibly through ignorance. People get
> > their fish home and they either die and they go back to buy more, or
they
> > realise they are outgrowing their tank and go back to buy bigger. Either
> way
> > they stand to make a few extra quid!
> > It is actually 10US gallon and 8Uk gallons. This might sound extreme but
> it
> > really isn't considering a goldies lifespan (20+ years), the size they
> > become and the messy little beasts that they are! They might be able to
> > survive in smaller tanks (although probably not for 20 years) but they
> > certainly won't thrive. Also in overstocked tanks the nitrate levels
> usually
> > spiral out of control which can cause health problems in the fish.
> Goldfish
> > also become stunted when kept in cramped surroundings which can lead to
> > deformities and ill health.
> > Your goldfish will grow extremely quickly and you will notice very soon
> that
> > they are looking a bit cramped (if they're not already). I have one of
my
> > goldfish (an oranda) in a tank your size and he's having to move to
bigger
> > and better because he hasn't got much room anymore. Once they are a few
> > years old even a 10 gallon isn't really big enough for them!
> > I don't know whether you test your water parameters regularly, but are
> your
> > ammonia 0, nitrite 0 and nitrates under 20? If not and your tank is
cycled
> > then this will soon cause problems. You might be able to control your
> water
> > quality while they are tiny (even this will be hard work) but once they
> get
> > a bit bigger, despite every effort from you it will quickly become
> > impossible to keep it good.
> > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
> > Mel.
> >
> > "Oscar" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Mel, we recently bought our 1st small tank of around 60L and stocked
it
> > with
> > > 6 baby goldfish that are 2-3 inch long. Do you consider that
> overstocked?
> > > Never heard of a 10gal/fish rule before, or are you talking about much
> > > larger mature fish here?
> > >
> > > Oscar
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mel" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best to
> give
> > > > goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste
> they
> > > > produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> > > > possibility.
> > > > If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female,
> pushing
> > > > their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank. They
> will
> > > > also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate the
> > > release
> > > > of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the female.
> > > > Mel.
> > > >
> > > > "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and
> leaning
> > > up
> > > > > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly
> health,
> > > > > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping food
> in
> > to
> > > > > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > > > > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its
swimming
> > very
> > > > > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to
> > another
> > > > tank
> > > > > it it keeps up.
> > > > >
> > > > > any assistance would be great.
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers
> > > > > Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Oscar]

Thanks Mel, have printed out your instructions - looks like a complex
procedure - but I'll get a testkit and we shell see what happens ....

Oscar


"Mel" > wrote in message
...
> Unfortunately it seems that most books print outdated information too. Get
> yourself the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate test kits as they are extremely
> important to have with a new tank which is just beginning to cycle. (You
can
> buy them online of your lfs doesn't stock them although they should do).
The
> cycling process can take anything up to a couple of months and during this
> time you will experience a spike in first ammonia then nitrites. Both of
> these will rise to extremely high levels and will make the water very
toxic
> to the fish, especially in such an overstocked tank. (When you get a new
> tank it is best to add the fish very gradually and not all at once so the
> bio-bugs in the filter get a chance to get used to the extra work load and
> accomplish themselves).
> While your ammonia and nitrites are spiking it will become necessary to
> perform daily water changes of 30% to dilute the ammonia and nitrite so
they
> don't harm your fish. This is where the test kits come in. Without them
you
> will have no idea what's going on with your water parameters and they
could
> quickly become out of control causing new tank syndrome which can often
kill
> the fish. Keep testing the water and while the ammonia and nitrites are
high
> do the daily water change thing. They will eventually start to lower by
> themselves as nitrates kick in. The cycling is only complete when your
> ammonia and nitrite are 0, and nitrate is over 0 but preferably under 20.
> Once this happens it is usually only necessary to perform a weekly water
> change of 30% but as your tank is overstocked it will almost certainly be
> necessary to up this to 2 or even 3 times a week. Your maintenance
schedule
> can be determined by watching your water parameters with the test kits. If
> your ammonia or nitrites ever go above 0 you need to seriously increase
> water changes, and if your nitrates start creeping up this also means that
> you need to increase your water changes.
> As for PH - as long as this doesn't fluctuate the fish will be absolutely
> fine. It is only when it keeps changing that problems occur. So if your Ph
> isn't exactly 7.4 please don't go adding these over the counter remedies
to
> increase it or lower it as they often do more harm than good and stress
the
> fish. Goldfish do prefer a PH around 7 but will acclimatise to whatever
> water they are in as long as it stays static and be absolutely fine.
> Mel.
> "Oscar" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks Mel, for all that very useful info.
> >
> > Actually we only got the (cold water) tank last week and never had a
tank
> > before, so it's all new to us. There are some black ones and others that
> > look like mini-Koi ??!! (not sure of the species, has to read up on
that)
> >
> > Tend to agree with you that the people in the pet shop are after profits
> and
> > sales, and considering our ignorance we had it coming. Nevertheless we
> enjoy
> > the new tank, spend now more time watching the fish than the TV!
> >
> > Got a book from the library on goldfish, which I am in the process of
> > reading and they mention a 2L/cm rule. It works like this: add up the
> total
> > length of all the fish in cm and multiply by 2, that gives the required
> tank
> > capacity in litres. Did that yesterday and our fish totalled 45cm for 8
> fish
> > and we got a 50 litre tank, and we should have 90L.
> >
> > Got a test for pH, which the guy said to hold around 7.4 but nothing
else,
> > never heard of tests for "ammonia, nitrite and nitrates", that's another
> > thing we have to figure out. A yes, also got an airpump and filter and
> water
> > conditioner.
> >
> > We also have a bigger outdoor inground pond / fountain with water plants
> > (maybe 500-1000L) do people ever put their aquarium fish there after
they
> > get too big? We are in Sydney / Australia so the climate is
Mediterranean
> > mild, but we have some predatory species around, cats, meat eating
birds,
> > etc. And sometime frogs in the pond.
> >
> > Thanks again, Oscar
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mel" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Unfortunately you are overstocked. People at aquatic/pet stores are
> > > notorious for giving out wrong information regarding goldfish,
probably
> in
> > > an attempt to make more money or possibly through ignorance. People
get
> > > their fish home and they either die and they go back to buy more, or
> they
> > > realise they are outgrowing their tank and go back to buy bigger.
Either
> > way
> > > they stand to make a few extra quid!
> > > It is actually 10US gallon and 8Uk gallons. This might sound extreme
but
> > it
> > > really isn't considering a goldies lifespan (20+ years), the size they
> > > become and the messy little beasts that they are! They might be able
to
> > > survive in smaller tanks (although probably not for 20 years) but they
> > > certainly won't thrive. Also in overstocked tanks the nitrate levels
> > usually
> > > spiral out of control which can cause health problems in the fish.
> > Goldfish
> > > also become stunted when kept in cramped surroundings which can lead
to
> > > deformities and ill health.
> > > Your goldfish will grow extremely quickly and you will notice very
soon
> > that
> > > they are looking a bit cramped (if they're not already). I have one of
> my
> > > goldfish (an oranda) in a tank your size and he's having to move to
> bigger
> > > and better because he hasn't got much room anymore. Once they are a
few
> > > years old even a 10 gallon isn't really big enough for them!
> > > I don't know whether you test your water parameters regularly, but are
> > your
> > > ammonia 0, nitrite 0 and nitrates under 20? If not and your tank is
> cycled
> > > then this will soon cause problems. You might be able to control your
> > water
> > > quality while they are tiny (even this will be hard work) but once
they
> > get
> > > a bit bigger, despite every effort from you it will quickly become
> > > impossible to keep it good.
> > > Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
> > > Mel.
> > >
> > > "Oscar" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Mel, we recently bought our 1st small tank of around 60L and stocked
> it
> > > with
> > > > 6 baby goldfish that are 2-3 inch long. Do you consider that
> > overstocked?
> > > > Never heard of a 10gal/fish rule before, or are you talking about
much
> > > > larger mature fish here?
> > > >
> > > > Oscar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Mel" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > First thing is that your tank is a little overstocked. It's best
to
> > give
> > > > > goldfish 10 gallons each due to their size and the amount of waste
> > they
> > > > > produce. In overcrowded conditions bullying can occur so this is a
> > > > > possibility.
> > > > > If they are about to spawn the males will be chasing the female,
> > pushing
> > > > > their noses up under her tail and pushing her around the tank.
They
> > will
> > > > > also nudge her quite roughly in the abdomen to try to stimulate
the
> > > > release
> > > > > of eggs. This can go on for a while and can be rough on the
female.
> > > > > Mel.
> > > > >
> > > > > "_Scott_" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > I have 6 GF in a 120L Tank, 3 of the GF are pushing around and
> > leaning
> > > > up
> > > > > > against 1 fish. The fish getting pushed around looks perfectly
> > health,
> > > > > > actually its looking a little fat. I also have tried dropping
food
> > in
> > > to
> > > > > > distract the other 3 but they are not interested.
> > > > > > Im wondering if its a she and about to drop a few eggs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > There are no visibal signs of injury to the victim and its
> swimming
> > > very
> > > > > > hard to keep away from the other 3 fish. Im about to move it to
> > > another
> > > > > tank
> > > > > > it it keeps up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > any assistance would be great.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > cheers
> > > > > > Scott
> > > > > >
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