Re: dead koi/upside down comet info

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:01:26 GMT, Bruce >
wrote:

>I have a 700 gal pond with 4 koi around 15" and 4 comets
>about 5". Today one of the koi, the one that laid eggs a week
>ago and gave the pond ammonia problems was found dead today along
>with a barely live bloated upside down comet. The kois intestines were clear
>of food/waste and 2 large white "bags" in the body were filled with air.
>Also, there was two sacs containing small eggs. I thought she already
>laid many eggs, cause she got real thin as soon as the eggs showed up
>so I thought that was the one that laid the eggs. The koi is very slimy,
>gills are
>reddish pink. Anyone have an idea. No outside marks on koi or comet.
>Thanks!
>Bruce
>ammonia is about .25,
>also...I turned waterfall off last nite. (leaking waterfall liner)
>turned back on today

There's your answer. Fish gills dealing with ammonia and oxygen
deprivation. If your filter was off all night too, I hope you cleaned it
before turning it back on?? How are the other koi doing? ~ jan

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Tue, 29 Jul 2003 19:01:26 GMT, Bruce >
wrote:

>I have a 700 gal pond with 4 koi around 15" and 4 comets
>about 5". Today one of the koi, the one that laid eggs a week
>ago and gave the pond ammonia problems was found dead today along
>with a barely live bloated upside down comet. The kois intestines were clear
>of food/waste and 2 large white "bags" in the body were filled with air.
>Also, there was two sacs containing small eggs. I thought she already
>laid many eggs, cause she got real thin as soon as the eggs showed up
>so I thought that was the one that laid the eggs. The koi is very slimy,
>gills are
>reddish pink. Anyone have an idea. No outside marks on koi or comet.
>Thanks!
>Bruce
>ammonia is about .25,
>also...I turned waterfall off last nite. (leaking waterfall liner)
>turned back on today

There's your answer. Fish gills dealing with ammonia and oxygen
deprivation. If your filter was off all night too, I hope you cleaned it
before turning it back on?? How are the other koi doing? ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[Bruce]

The others are doing so-so. They seem to be slow moving.
I stopped feeding hopefully to help the ammonia level also,
as a water change was done this pm.
Bruce

>
>
>>reddish pink. Anyone have an idea. No outside marks on koi or comet.
>>Thanks!
>>Bruce
>>ammonia is about .25,
>>also...I turned waterfall off last nite. (leaking waterfall liner)
>>turned back on today
>>
>>
>
>There's your answer. Fish gills dealing with ammonia and oxygen
>deprivation. If your filter was off all night too, I hope you cleaned it
>before turning it back on?? How are the other koi doing? ~ jan
>
>

[Bruce]

The others are doing so-so. They seem to be slow moving.
I stopped feeding hopefully to help the ammonia level also,
as a water change was done this pm.
Bruce

>
>
>>reddish pink. Anyone have an idea. No outside marks on koi or comet.
>>Thanks!
>>Bruce
>>ammonia is about .25,
>>also...I turned waterfall off last nite. (leaking waterfall liner)
>>turned back on today
>>
>>
>
>There's your answer. Fish gills dealing with ammonia and oxygen
>deprivation. If your filter was off all night too, I hope you cleaned it
>before turning it back on?? How are the other koi doing? ~ jan
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>The others are doing so-so. They seem to be slow moving.
>I stopped feeding hopefully to help the ammonia level also,
>as a water change was done this pm.
>Bruce

Sometimes a water change can be detrimental. I know in the real old days it
was said to do water changes when problems occur, but now we know if there
is ammonia in the water and we do a water change with water of a higher pH
we make the situation worst. Better is to check your pH if you have ammonia
showing, if your pH is 7.5 and your changing water is same or less, then by
all means do the change. Better though is to use a product that detoxs the
ammonia before doing the water changes. Amquel or Chloram-X are two
products that will dechlor and detox ammonia. Use salt to keep brown blood
disease from happening when the nitrites start showing up. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>The others are doing so-so. They seem to be slow moving.
>I stopped feeding hopefully to help the ammonia level also,
>as a water change was done this pm.
>Bruce

Sometimes a water change can be detrimental. I know in the real old days it
was said to do water changes when problems occur, but now we know if there
is ammonia in the water and we do a water change with water of a higher pH
we make the situation worst. Better is to check your pH if you have ammonia
showing, if your pH is 7.5 and your changing water is same or less, then by
all means do the change. Better though is to use a product that detoxs the
ammonia before doing the water changes. Amquel or Chloram-X are two
products that will dechlor and detox ammonia. Use salt to keep brown blood
disease from happening when the nitrites start showing up. ~ jan

See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[Iain Miller]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >The others are doing so-so. They seem to be slow moving.
> >I stopped feeding hopefully to help the ammonia level also,
> >as a water change was done this pm.
> >Bruce
>
> Sometimes a water change can be detrimental. I know in the real old days
it
> was said to do water changes when problems occur, but now we know if there
> is ammonia in the water and we do a water change with water of a higher pH
> we make the situation worst. Better is to check your pH if you have
ammonia
> showing, if your pH is 7.5 and your changing water is same or less, then
by
> all means do the change. Better though is to use a product that detoxs the
> ammonia before doing the water changes. Amquel or Chloram-X are two
> products that will dechlor and detox ammonia. Use salt to keep brown blood
> disease from happening when the nitrites start showing up. ~ jan

Not quite.....this happens if you have non-toxic AmmoniUM in the water. If
you then raise the Kh of the water then this releases Ammonia which, as we
all know is not good for your fish. Not sure whether most ammonia test kits
will even detect Ammonium or not so you may not be able to even know its
there. If your Ph drops into the 6s then its possible but not definite that
it will start to build up. In the aquarium world its referred to as "Old
tank syndrome"

HTH

I.

[Iain Miller]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >The others are doing so-so. They seem to be slow moving.
> >I stopped feeding hopefully to help the ammonia level also,
> >as a water change was done this pm.
> >Bruce
>
> Sometimes a water change can be detrimental. I know in the real old days
it
> was said to do water changes when problems occur, but now we know if there
> is ammonia in the water and we do a water change with water of a higher pH
> we make the situation worst. Better is to check your pH if you have
ammonia
> showing, if your pH is 7.5 and your changing water is same or less, then
by
> all means do the change. Better though is to use a product that detoxs the
> ammonia before doing the water changes. Amquel or Chloram-X are two
> products that will dechlor and detox ammonia. Use salt to keep brown blood
> disease from happening when the nitrites start showing up. ~ jan

Not quite.....this happens if you have non-toxic AmmoniUM in the water. If
you then raise the Kh of the water then this releases Ammonia which, as we
all know is not good for your fish. Not sure whether most ammonia test kits
will even detect Ammonium or not so you may not be able to even know its
there. If your Ph drops into the 6s then its possible but not definite that
it will start to build up. In the aquarium world its referred to as "Old
tank syndrome"

HTH

I.

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