Bloated and pine coning Oranda

[Kudzu]

Hoover, large calico oranda, has not been acting right for a couple of
weeks. For several days he will lay upside down in the plants in the tank.
(60 gallon with 10G in sump, 2 large oranda) We go to put food in and out
her comes and eats. Last night he was not eating and we noticed he was
bloated. This morning I saw the first signs of lifting scales.

Is the bloating consistent with Dropsy? I have noticed he has been a bit
lethargic the last few weeks compared to his tank mate but didn't think to
much about it. Symptoms seems confusing to me. But he does seem to float at
the top. Then he dives in the plants and hangs in them, often upside down.

I have a spare 20 gallon I can get and set up to put him in and treat him.
Just need some direction as what to treat him for. Lost on to Dropsy once
and don't want to do that again.

[Donald Kerns]

Kudzu wrote:

> Hoover, large calico oranda, has not been acting right for a couple of
> weeks. For several days he will lay upside down in the plants in the
> tank.
> (60 gallon with 10G in sump, 2 large oranda) We go to put food in and
> out her comes and eats. Last night he was not eating and we noticed he
> was bloated. This morning I saw the first signs of lifting scales.

My sympathies...

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Kudzu]

Following the treatment Dr. Solo has outlined. Have him (well her?) moved to
a hospital tank with elevated temp and epsom salt. Getting some medicated
food ASAP. He keeps flipping over and floating upside down which would
indicate gas in the lower area of his body to me.

I guess my real question at this point is do I want to force feed him a Pea
with some epsom salt? He has not been eating for 2 maybe 3 days. I am just
not sure if the salt/laxative is the right thing. He doesn't appear to have
passed anyting in a couple of days either.


"Kudzu" > wrote in message
...
> Hoover, large calico oranda, has not been acting right for a couple of
> weeks. For several days he will lay upside down in the plants in the tank.
> (60 gallon with 10G in sump, 2 large oranda) We go to put food in and out
> her comes and eats. Last night he was not eating and we noticed he was
> bloated. This morning I saw the first signs of lifting scales.
>
> Is the bloating consistent with Dropsy? I have noticed he has been a bit
> lethargic the last few weeks compared to his tank mate but didn't think to
> much about it. Symptoms seems confusing to me. But he does seem to float
at
> the top. Then he dives in the plants and hangs in them, often upside down.
>
> I have a spare 20 gallon I can get and set up to put him in and treat him.
> Just need some direction as what to treat him for. Lost on to Dropsy once
> and don't want to do that again.
>
>

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http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/puregold/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy
read it all. especially why treatment fails.
Ingrid

"Kudzu" > wrote:

>Hoover, large calico oranda, has not been acting right for a couple of
>weeks. For several days he will lay upside down in the plants in the tank.
>(60 gallon with 10G in sump, 2 large oranda) We go to put food in and out
>her comes and eats. Last night he was not eating and we noticed he was
>bloated. This morning I saw the first signs of lifting scales.
>
>Is the bloating consistent with Dropsy? I have noticed he has been a bit
>lethargic the last few weeks compared to his tank mate but didn't think to
>much about it. Symptoms seems confusing to me. But he does seem to float at
>the top. Then he dives in the plants and hangs in them, often upside down.
>
>I have a spare 20 gallon I can get and set up to put him in and treat him.
>Just need some direction as what to treat him for. Lost on to Dropsy once
>and don't want to do that again.
>



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You could try the pea approach - it's worth a try if nothing
else is working.