Cycling

[Geezer From The Freezer]

ok for my first tank I did a terrible job of cycling it
(only a week of so before fish).

Now I am cycling the big tank and was wondering how long it
would be before I see ammonia spiking. It's been about a week
and nothing at all yet. I have put some food pellets in and
some cycling solution but nothing, no ammonia or nitrites yet.
(not tested Nitrates as thought they wouldn't be showing yet).

Any ideas?

[LoaderLady]

I have a 90g tank which has been running for 3 weeks. After 1 week, I put
in a 1" fantail. Right now,there is the fantail, a baby swordtail (only 3
mos old, and about 1/2" long) and 4 snails (mystery snails I added last
week), and I still haven't seen the ammonia go up either. Maybe if you do
it slow enough, it doesn't spike as high. I have 2 ryukins (1-1 1/2") and
plan to add them slowly as well, one at a time, at least a week apart. They
are still in quarantine until next week, though.

Good luck,
Tammy

[Donald Kerns]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

> ok for my first tank I did a terrible job of cycling it
> (only a week of so before fish).

Um, did you put anything in for it to cycle from? Just putting water in
a tank doesn't do the trick.

The bio-buggies need something to eat (ammonia) from some source. If it
isn't fish, you need to provide an artificial source.

Most fishless cycling methods use liquid ammonia, a couple suggest a
chemical powder form, one or two people advocate using... [ah-hem], the
supply that nature gives you everyday...

Ingrid advocates using fish food which decays into ammonia. (Which seems
to be the method that you're trying.)

> Now I am cycling the big tank and was wondering how long it
> would be before I see ammonia spiking. It's been about a week
> and nothing at all yet. I have put some food pellets in and
> some cycling solution but nothing, no ammonia or nitrites yet.
> (not tested Nitrates as thought they wouldn't be showing yet).
>
> Any ideas?

How big is the tank vs how much food did you put in there?
Might try the specific brand of food Ingrid has had results with...
Might do a google search on "fishless cycling" and use some ammonia from
the store. (The method I use.)

http://www.mindspring.com/~reed/fishless.html

Good luck,

-Donald
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Donald,

It's a 63gallon tank. I've got plants (some leaves dropped off, i've
left them to decay) and i've added about 10 pellets of food.

I'm off to the LFS to get some liquid ammonia and a better(and another)
filter (Fluval 4)

[Donald Kerns]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

> Donald,
>
> It's a 63gallon tank. I've got plants (some leaves dropped off, i've
> left them to decay) and i've added about 10 pellets of food.
>
> I'm off to the LFS to get some liquid ammonia and a better(and
> another) filter (Fluval 4)

Ah, the plants...

They compete with the biobuggies for the ammonia and nitrite. Also seed
the tank with biobuggies so you don't have to start from scratch.

In that case, I'd just slowly add your population of fish and keep an
eye on the NH3 and NO2 levels. A new fish or two (depending on size)
every three days or so. Should be fine.

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Donald Kerns wrote:
> They compete with the biobuggies for the ammonia and nitrite. Also seed
> the tank with biobuggies so you don't have to start from scratch.
>
> In that case, I'd just slowly add your population of fish and keep an
> eye on the NH3 and NO2 levels. A new fish or two (depending on size)
> every three days or so. Should be fine.

Donald,

I did add a carbon filter from my old tank and dumped it on top of
the filters in the cycling tank. I added about 3 pints worth of
old tank water and a stone bridge from my old tank.

I've now added my two fish. They seem happy, but I have noticed
that the ammonia had risen this morning. The levels are low, but
detectable. I will be doing a water change to even those levels to
0 later.

[Donald Kerns]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

>
>
> Donald Kerns wrote:
>> They compete with the biobuggies for the ammonia and nitrite. Also
>> seed the tank with biobuggies so you don't have to start from
>> scratch.
>>
>> In that case, I'd just slowly add your population of fish and keep an
>> eye on the NH3 and NO2 levels. A new fish or two (depending on size)
>> every three days or so. Should be fine.
>
> Donald,
>
> I did add a carbon filter from my old tank and dumped it on top of
> the filters in the cycling tank. I added about 3 pints worth of
> old tank water and a stone bridge from my old tank.

The filter and stone bridge will help, the water won't (unless it was
really grungy mulm).

> I've now added my two fish. They seem happy, but I have noticed
> that the ammonia had risen this morning. The levels are low, but
> detectable. I will be doing a water change to even those levels to
> 0 later.

Yup, don't need to drive it to zero, but hovering about the first
detectable level.

How big are those 2 fish in a 60-some odd gallon tank?

-D

--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Donald Kerns wrote:

>
> Yup, don't need to drive it to zero, but hovering about the first
> detectable level.
>
> How big are those 2 fish in a 60-some odd gallon tank?

They are about 2 and 2.5 inchs long excluding tail.

[Donald Kerns]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

>
>
> Donald Kerns wrote:
>
>>
>> Yup, don't need to drive it to zero, but hovering about the first
>> detectable level.
>>
>> How big are those 2 fish in a 60-some odd gallon tank?
>
> They are about 2 and 2.5 inchs long excluding tail.

You've got lucky fish! :-)

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Donald Kerns wrote:
>
> You've got lucky fish! :-)

Donald,

I've been going to work early last couple of days and turned
their light on early and noticed both sunk at the bottom. I assumed
something was wrong until they perked up 2 minutes later. Think
I caught them asleep - very cute!

[Donald Kerns]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:

> I've now added my two fish. They seem happy, but I have noticed
> that the ammonia had risen this morning. The levels are low, but
> detectable.

Other than getting awoken from their beauty sleep [ ;-) ], how
are those guys doing?

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Donald Kerns wrote:
>
> Geezer From The Freezer wrote:
>
> > I've now added my two fish. They seem happy, but I have noticed
> > that the ammonia had risen this morning. The levels are low, but
> > detectable.
>
> Other than getting awoken from their beauty sleep [ ;-) ], how
> are those guys doing?

They seem to be doing good now, current is strong but they are getting the
hang of it. It certainly takes them longer to find food now!

Also bought two baby moors yesterday and 2 golden apple snails
for the smaller tank.
They are only about an inch in length including their tails.
They did the swim, drop to bottom and not move, swim, drop to bottom
again routine to start with, but seem to be adjusting.