lump on 'carp'??

[Carrie White]

Hi

I'm new here and I've had bad experiences with newsgroups so I'm
treading carefully here....

I have 1 Koi, 1 Ghost Koi and 1 carp??(it was sold as a carp but I have
my doubts).

The 'carp' is long in the body, very narrow, kinked tail(fault I think)
and down turned mouth. I have noticed that this fish has a swelling just
below its gills on the underside. Is this eggs or a lump of more
sinister origins? I am grateful for any advice or suggestions...

This fish cost me £12 which was more than the Grade A Koi.

The tank is 24", fluval 1 filter and aeration stone. I do fortnightly
water changes at 50%, gravel cleaning etc. I feed a combination of
flakes and pellets. The 'carp' was used to pellets so I continue with those.

The fish is feeding well and appears quite well.

Carrie

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Koi are carp, so no problem. the swelling is not eggs. is the lump well under the
skin, or does it appear to be irregular and from the skin?
koi and carp require a minimum of 100 gallons of water each, recommendation is no
smaller than a 500 gallon pond.
what are your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH?
keep the nitrates at or below 20 ppm. Ingrid

Carrie White > wrote:
>The 'carp' is long in the body, very narrow, kinked tail(fault I think)
>and down turned mouth. I have noticed that this fish has a swelling just
>below its gills on the underside. Is this eggs or a lump of more
>sinister origins? I am grateful for any advice or suggestions...
>
>This fish cost me £12 which was more than the Grade A Koi.
>
>The tank is 24", fluval 1 filter and aeration stone. I do fortnightly
>water changes at 50%, gravel cleaning etc. I feed a combination of
>flakes and pellets. The 'carp' was used to pellets so I continue with those.
>
>The fish is feeding well and appears quite well.
>
>Carrie



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[Mel]

Koi really shouldn't be kept in tanks unless they are incredibly large (the
tanks not the fish!), which yours isn't. In fact, if it's 24 inches long
then it's not even big enough to house 3 goldfish let alone 3 koi! I should
imagine that your water quality is terrible especially as you only do a
fortnightly 50% water change. Have you tested for ammonia, nitrite and
nitrate? If not then you should do so immediately. Ammonia and nitrite
should be 0, and nitrate should be under 20. If they aren't at these levels
then you need to do daily water changes of 30% until they are, which could
be never in such a small area.
I would advise rehousing these fish in a pond if you possibly can. If not
then at least try to get a bigger tank and a much bigger filter. With
goldfish alone it's advisable to have the volume of your water turned over
8-10 times per hour, and as good as they are a fluval 1 just wouldn't do
this. If you can't get one big filter, then have one at each end of the
tank. This will help you out in the short term but these fish really aren't
meant to be in tanks.
I should imagine that the problem you are experiencing with your fish is due
to the poor water quality, especially as it is in the gill area. Get the
water quality better and it may well improve.
Mel.


"Carrie White" > wrote in message
...
> Hi
>
> I'm new here and I've had bad experiences with newsgroups so I'm
> treading carefully here....
>
> I have 1 Koi, 1 Ghost Koi and 1 carp??(it was sold as a carp but I have
> my doubts).
>
> The 'carp' is long in the body, very narrow, kinked tail(fault I think)
> and down turned mouth. I have noticed that this fish has a swelling just
> below its gills on the underside. Is this eggs or a lump of more
> sinister origins? I am grateful for any advice or suggestions...
>
> This fish cost me £12 which was more than the Grade A Koi.
>
> The tank is 24", fluval 1 filter and aeration stone. I do fortnightly
> water changes at 50%, gravel cleaning etc. I feed a combination of
> flakes and pellets. The 'carp' was used to pellets so I continue with
those.
>
> The fish is feeding well and appears quite well.
>
> Carrie
>

[Carrie White]

Thanks for your reply!

Umm I'm a bit naughty. I used to do tests regularly but money problems
prevented me from doing so recently. I shall be getting a test kit this
month and then can test both tanks(my partner has 3 goldifsh). I look
after them both.

I know the koi need a bigger space and would like to get them outside
eventually.

I can also get a piccie done to you can get a closer look at the fish
and the 'lump'. It's definitely under the skin and of a substantial size
which made me think of eggs.

Thinking about it the depth of its body has increased slightly. I'm
doubtful its a tumour.

I'd hate to lose this fish. My track record over the years has not been
overly lucky...

Oh well.



wrote:
> Koi are carp, so no problem. the swelling is not eggs. is the lump well under the
> skin, or does it appear to be irregular and from the skin?
> koi and carp require a minimum of 100 gallons of water each, recommendation is no
> smaller than a 500 gallon pond.
> what are your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH?
> keep the nitrates at or below 20 ppm. Ingrid
>
>

[Carrie White]

Ok, I admit that I am doing some things wrong and no doubt many other
fish keepers are doing the same thing.

IF there is something wrong with the water quality then, of course, I
will do something to correct it. Until then.....

I appreciate the advice and suggestions, I really do but I don't
appreciate the tone.

Mel wrote:

> Koi really shouldn't be kept in tanks unless they are incredibly large (the
> tanks not the fish!), which yours isn't. In fact, if it's 24 inches long
> then it's not even big enough to house 3 goldfish let alone 3 koi! I should
> imagine that your water quality is terrible especially as you only do a
> fortnightly 50% water change. Have you tested for ammonia, nitrite and
> nitrate? If not then you should do so immediately. Ammonia and nitrite
> should be 0, and nitrate should be under 20. If they aren't at these levels
> then you need to do daily water changes of 30% until they are, which could
> be never in such a small area.
> I would advise rehousing these fish in a pond if you possibly can. If not
> then at least try to get a bigger tank and a much bigger filter. With
> goldfish alone it's advisable to have the volume of your water turned over
> 8-10 times per hour, and as good as they are a fluval 1 just wouldn't do
> this. If you can't get one big filter, then have one at each end of the
> tank. This will help you out in the short term but these fish really aren't
> meant to be in tanks.
> I should imagine that the problem you are experiencing with your fish is due
> to the poor water quality, especially as it is in the gill area. Get the
> water quality better and it may well improve.
> Mel.
>