Rescued Large Goldfish - very very ill - please advise urgently !!!

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Hi,

I rescued this poor thing from an office where it was alone in a
filthy tank that actually had MOULD growing on the gravel. The tank
smelled awful and the poor fish (not sure what variety, but it's about
7 inches long with fancy fins) was just sitting in a corner on the
bottom, motionless. I couldn't leave him / her there to die so I
insisted to the 'owners' I take it home. I have a couple of smaller
goldfish in a tank, and used to keep tropicals, so I'm not a complete
novice.

I brought it home and transferred it to a separate tank with clean
water (it worked out about 4/5 new water and 1/5 of the 'water' that
came with it. I had to take the stress risk as the filth it was in
was too polluted to mix in greater proportions.

I treated the water (tap) with a conditioner and added a little tonic
salt. I've added an airstone set to a very low level. The poor thing
is pretty much motionless on the bottom (as he was in his original
tank), his fins are just draped on the bottom, lifeless. I cannot see
any obvious signs of illness beyond his inactivity.

Given the conditions he was living in, what would be the best course
of treatment now ? Is there a general 'antibiotic' or something I
could use ?

Many thanks in advance,

Cheers,

Kev.

[Mel]

Well done you for rescuing the poor little thing.
I think the best thing you can do for him is to keep the water absolutely
perfectly clean and hope for the best. Make sure you have good filtration
and I'd do a 30% water change daily to keep the water good. As for
medication, if there's nothing specifically wrong with him then adding meds
might do more harm than good.
Make sure you feed him really nutritous food too as he will need all his
strength to recover (lots of blood worms and high quality pellets etc).
Good luck and let us know how he gets on.
Mel.


"Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I rescued this poor thing from an office where it was alone in a
> filthy tank that actually had MOULD growing on the gravel. The tank
> smelled awful and the poor fish (not sure what variety, but it's about
> 7 inches long with fancy fins) was just sitting in a corner on the
> bottom, motionless. I couldn't leave him / her there to die so I
> insisted to the 'owners' I take it home. I have a couple of smaller
> goldfish in a tank, and used to keep tropicals, so I'm not a complete
> novice.
>
> I brought it home and transferred it to a separate tank with clean
> water (it worked out about 4/5 new water and 1/5 of the 'water' that
> came with it. I had to take the stress risk as the filth it was in
> was too polluted to mix in greater proportions.
>
> I treated the water (tap) with a conditioner and added a little tonic
> salt. I've added an airstone set to a very low level. The poor thing
> is pretty much motionless on the bottom (as he was in his original
> tank), his fins are just draped on the bottom, lifeless. I cannot see
> any obvious signs of illness beyond his inactivity.
>
> Given the conditions he was living in, what would be the best course
> of treatment now ? Is there a general 'antibiotic' or something I
> could use ?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kev.

[Donald Kerns]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:

> Given the conditions he was living in, what would be the best course
> of treatment now ? Is there a general 'antibiotic' or something I
> could use ?

Keep the water REALLY clean. Add an air stone. Add aquarium salt 1
teaspoon per 5 gallons. Once per day for 3 days (to a total
concentration of 3 teaspoons/5 gal).

Clean water will reduce stress, the salt will increase slime coat
production, hopefully helping the fish's own immune system.

My $0.02US

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[T]

Hey Kevin, I need a home for my gf as well.. Do you have room?? I live in
southern Cali and desperately need homes for my friends...

Tim...
"Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I rescued this poor thing from an office where it was alone in a
> filthy tank that actually had MOULD growing on the gravel. The tank
> smelled awful and the poor fish (not sure what variety, but it's about
> 7 inches long with fancy fins) was just sitting in a corner on the
> bottom, motionless. I couldn't leave him / her there to die so I
> insisted to the 'owners' I take it home. I have a couple of smaller
> goldfish in a tank, and used to keep tropicals, so I'm not a complete
> novice.
>
> I brought it home and transferred it to a separate tank with clean
> water (it worked out about 4/5 new water and 1/5 of the 'water' that
> came with it. I had to take the stress risk as the filth it was in
> was too polluted to mix in greater proportions.
>
> I treated the water (tap) with a conditioner and added a little tonic
> salt. I've added an airstone set to a very low level. The poor thing
> is pretty much motionless on the bottom (as he was in his original
> tank), his fins are just draped on the bottom, lifeless. I cannot see
> any obvious signs of illness beyond his inactivity.
>
> Given the conditions he was living in, what would be the best course
> of treatment now ? Is there a general 'antibiotic' or something I
> could use ?
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kev.

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Well - 24hrs into the rescue and there is a slight improvement..
Whilst he is still mostly stationary on the bottom, he does move a
little now and then, but he looks very stiff. I have also noticed
some eye movement for the first time. Most significant though is that
he has doubled his respiration rate. Yesterday he was breathing about
once every five seconds, now it's once every two or three. I can only
presume this is a positive indication ???

I have increased the salt content a bit as advised, and did a 30%
water change.

I have yet to see him rise from the bottom, or eat anything though.
He has however produced a little poop but it's mainly mucous with
bubbles in.

I did see one or two white spots on the fins yesterday - presumeably
ich. I think he can live with that for the moment - I don't want to
upset the water quality until he is stronger.

Will keep you informed...

p.s. Sorry Tim, I don't even have the room for the one I've rescued -
if he makes it I'm going to have to get another tank! Besides, there
is the small matter of some 5,200 miles between us !!




"T" > wrote in message et>...
> Hey Kevin, I need a home for my gf as well.. Do you have room?? I live in
> southern Cali and desperately need homes for my friends...
>
> Tim...
> "Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Hi,
> >
> > I rescued this poor thing from an office where it was alone in a
> > filthy tank that actually had MOULD growing on the gravel. The tank
> > smelled awful and the poor fish (not sure what variety, but it's about
> > 7 inches long with fancy fins) was just sitting in a corner on the
> > bottom, motionless. I couldn't leave him / her there to die so I
> > insisted to the 'owners' I take it home. I have a couple of smaller
> > goldfish in a tank, and used to keep tropicals, so I'm not a complete
> > novice.
> >
> > I brought it home and transferred it to a separate tank with clean
> > water (it worked out about 4/5 new water and 1/5 of the 'water' that
> > came with it. I had to take the stress risk as the filth it was in
> > was too polluted to mix in greater proportions.
> >
> > I treated the water (tap) with a conditioner and added a little tonic
> > salt. I've added an airstone set to a very low level. The poor thing
> > is pretty much motionless on the bottom (as he was in his original
> > tank), his fins are just draped on the bottom, lifeless. I cannot see
> > any obvious signs of illness beyond his inactivity.
> >
> > Given the conditions he was living in, what would be the best course
> > of treatment now ? Is there a general 'antibiotic' or something I
> > could use ?
> >
> > Many thanks in advance,
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Kev.

[Mel]

If he has ich the salt should help get rid of it anyway. Keep the tank dark
as ich doesn't like lack of light and raise the temperature very slowly to
80. Hopefully that will get rid of it without any meds.
Mel.


"Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
om...
> Well - 24hrs into the rescue and there is a slight improvement..
> Whilst he is still mostly stationary on the bottom, he does move a
> little now and then, but he looks very stiff. I have also noticed
> some eye movement for the first time. Most significant though is that
> he has doubled his respiration rate. Yesterday he was breathing about
> once every five seconds, now it's once every two or three. I can only
> presume this is a positive indication ???
>
> I have increased the salt content a bit as advised, and did a 30%
> water change.
>
> I have yet to see him rise from the bottom, or eat anything though.
> He has however produced a little poop but it's mainly mucous with
> bubbles in.
>
> I did see one or two white spots on the fins yesterday - presumeably
> ich. I think he can live with that for the moment - I don't want to
> upset the water quality until he is stronger.
>
> Will keep you informed...
>
> p.s. Sorry Tim, I don't even have the room for the one I've rescued -
> if he makes it I'm going to have to get another tank! Besides, there
> is the small matter of some 5,200 miles between us !!
>
>
>
>
> "T" > wrote in message
et>...
> > Hey Kevin, I need a home for my gf as well.. Do you have room?? I live
in
> > southern Cali and desperately need homes for my friends...
> >
> > Tim...
> > "Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I rescued this poor thing from an office where it was alone in a
> > > filthy tank that actually had MOULD growing on the gravel. The tank
> > > smelled awful and the poor fish (not sure what variety, but it's about
> > > 7 inches long with fancy fins) was just sitting in a corner on the
> > > bottom, motionless. I couldn't leave him / her there to die so I
> > > insisted to the 'owners' I take it home. I have a couple of smaller
> > > goldfish in a tank, and used to keep tropicals, so I'm not a complete
> > > novice.
> > >
> > > I brought it home and transferred it to a separate tank with clean
> > > water (it worked out about 4/5 new water and 1/5 of the 'water' that
> > > came with it. I had to take the stress risk as the filth it was in
> > > was too polluted to mix in greater proportions.
> > >
> > > I treated the water (tap) with a conditioner and added a little tonic
> > > salt. I've added an airstone set to a very low level. The poor thing
> > > is pretty much motionless on the bottom (as he was in his original
> > > tank), his fins are just draped on the bottom, lifeless. I cannot see
> > > any obvious signs of illness beyond his inactivity.
> > >
> > > Given the conditions he was living in, what would be the best course
> > > of treatment now ? Is there a general 'antibiotic' or something I
> > > could use ?
> > >
> > > Many thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > >
> > > Kev.

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Hmmm... I've just noticed that there are small bits of mucous
floating in the tank - he must be shedding it as they weren't there
earlier. I'm very reluctant to handle him to inspect him further as
he looks so weak. He's not a small fish and would probably expend a
lot of energy struggling. If the small improvements seen in the last
24hrs don't continue in the next 24 I think I might salt-bath him.
Any and all suggestions welcome !

[LoaderLady]

Not that I am an expert, but I am guessing the "mucus" you see floating is
slime coat. I believe I read somewhere that salt sheds the slime coat so
the fish will produce a new slime coat, which will help it heal. You will
probably see the fish turn black in spots as well - almost like bruising.
This is healing and is a good thing. It sounds like you are doing a
wonderful job with this big fella. Best of luck to you.

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"Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
om...
> Hmmm... I've just noticed that there are small bits of mucous
> floating in the tank - he must be shedding it as they weren't there
> earlier. I'm very reluctant to handle him to inspect him further as
> he looks so weak. He's not a small fish and would probably expend a
> lot of energy struggling. If the small improvements seen in the last
> 24hrs don't continue in the next 24 I think I might salt-bath him.
> Any and all suggestions welcome !

[Donald Kerns]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:

> He has however produced a little poop but it's mainly mucous with
> bubbles in.
>

Try here, that poop seems like a strong indicator...

"http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/puregold/disease/technique/technique.html#JoAnns_diagnosis_by_poop"

Good luck!

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Well, I gave him a 30 second salt bath 24hrs ago but there is
unfortunately no real improvement. He is still not eating a thing..
not the bloodworm I got for him, not even the piece of cocktail shrimp
I put right in front of his mouth. I was told that he is an old fish
- could he be just 'on his last legs (fins?!)' and is not really ill,
bar old age ? He should be eating though surely ?

I'm keeping the water spotlessly clean, though I've run out of
aquarium salt, so it's pretty low in salt content at the moment.

I would feel a lot happier if he would eat something.

[Donald Kerns]

T wrote:

> Hey Kevin, I need a home for my gf as well.. Do you have room?? I live
> in southern Cali and desperately need homes for my friends...
>
> Tim...

Tim,

(quickly counting tanks and fish)... (groans inwardly)

I have room for a small to medium-sized fish. I'm in Northern California
so a well packaged overnight should be OK.

What sizes/types do you have?

-Donald
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Donald Kerns]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:

> He is still not eating a thing..
> not the bloodworm I got for him, not even the piece of cocktail shrimp
> I put right in front of his mouth.

IME not eating even the cocktail shrimp says he's in really bad shape.

He could be suffering an infection from the old dirty water. He could be
suffering from frapped gills due to the rapid change in TDS/pH/temp
between the two tanks.

In another part of the thread you mentioned mucousy poop. In looking at
Ingrid's site, the bubbles and poop suggest an internal infection. That
would indicate feeding an antibiotic food. But the fish isn't eating...

7 inch fish, right? If you're really emotionally attached, it might be
worth the trip to a fish-vet for a real diagnosis and perhaps some
injectable antibiotics...

I'm not an expert, but at this point I'd recommend the best supportive
care and hope he can pull out of it by himself...

Really clean water, keep the temperature stable, keep the salt up, lots
of aeration. Perhaps darken the tank so that external lights/motion
don't cause additional stress. Prayer wouldn't hurt at this point
either...

My $0.02US.

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[[email protected]]

give him another few days, then force feed the fish. get one of those small syringes
(no needle) and put it into the back of the mouth and shoot it in. most will come
out the gills so do this in bucket of water move the fish away from the food in teh
water. Ingrid

(Nebukadnezar The Third) wrote:

>Well, I gave him a 30 second salt bath 24hrs ago but there is
>unfortunately no real improvement. He is still not eating a thing..
>not the bloodworm I got for him, not even the piece of cocktail shrimp
>I put right in front of his mouth. I was told that he is an old fish
>- could he be just 'on his last legs (fins?!)' and is not really ill,
>bar old age ? He should be eating though surely ?
>
>I'm keeping the water spotlessly clean, though I've run out of
>aquarium salt, so it's pretty low in salt content at the moment.
>
>I would feel a lot happier if he would eat something.



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[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Update:

I've had him (her?) for four and a half days now and still no eating.
I put a heater in the tank last night and have raised the temp to 80
degrees. He moves fast enough when you go near him, but otherwise
stays motionless. I'll get some more salt today as he's probably in
100% fresh water right now (I ran out a couple of days ago).

When I raised the temp (over several hours) from about 70 to 80 he
made a few violent 'swims' and hit the side of the tank (I call it a
tank, but it's a large plastic tub), leaving two scales on the bottom,
but he's calmed down overnight and is back to his usual state.

I've noticed that when he does swim, his fins look very stiff, like
some kind of paralysis in the muscles. The top (dorsal?) fin has
lifted a little from when I first got him, when it was totally
collapsed on his back. There has been no more stringy mucous in the
water (presumeably he's no longer shedding his slime coat). He sits
on the bottom, resting on his forward fins, in a slightly nose down
attitude. I've yet to see him come to the top at all.

No other changes to report yet, but I don't think it's looking too
good :-(

I've decided to call him Nemo (not very original I know, but seeing as
I 'found' him !).

Cheers,

Kev.

(pls ignore the 'Nebukadnezzar' nonsense, I must have been drunk when
I created this account for Google Groups and I can't find where to
change it !)

[[email protected]]

what color are the gills? Ingrid

(Nebukadnezar The Third) wrote:

>Update:
>
>I've had him (her?) for four and a half days now and still no eating.
>I put a heater in the tank last night and have raised the temp to 80
>degrees. He moves fast enough when you go near him, but otherwise
>stays motionless. I'll get some more salt today as he's probably in
>100% fresh water right now (I ran out a couple of days ago).
>
>When I raised the temp (over several hours) from about 70 to 80 he
>made a few violent 'swims' and hit the side of the tank (I call it a
>tank, but it's a large plastic tub), leaving two scales on the bottom,
>but he's calmed down overnight and is back to his usual state.
>
>I've noticed that when he does swim, his fins look very stiff, like
>some kind of paralysis in the muscles. The top (dorsal?) fin has
>lifted a little from when I first got him, when it was totally
>collapsed on his back. There has been no more stringy mucous in the
>water (presumeably he's no longer shedding his slime coat). He sits
>on the bottom, resting on his forward fins, in a slightly nose down
>attitude. I've yet to see him come to the top at all.
>
>No other changes to report yet, but I don't think it's looking too
>good :-(
>
>I've decided to call him Nemo (not very original I know, but seeing as
>I 'found' him !).
>
>Cheers,
>
>Kev.
>
>(pls ignore the 'Nebukadnezzar' nonsense, I must have been drunk when
>I created this account for Google Groups and I can't find where to
>change it !)



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[Nebukadnezar The Third]

wrote in message >...
> what color are the gills? Ingrid

I Don't know. The only time I tried to do the 'fish physical'
described on the puregold site, he moved so fast I couldn't pick him
up (I don't have a net big enough). He's got quite a kick to him when
he wants to move - I could easily see him ending up on the carpet.
I'll get a big net tomorrow and see if I can manage it. From what I
can see of the edges by looking down at him, they seem quite dark..
perhaps darker than 'cherry red' - but I will hopefully confirm this
tomorrow.

Many thanks to all who are helping here - I really appreciate it.

Cheers,

Kev.

[Vissy Dartae]

I don't know if this is any help, but I rescued a fish last February
who sat on the bottom with his fins clamped, and couldn't eat-- every
time he tried, he ended up spitting it out, and he sort of quit
trying. I read that flukes can cause those symptoms, so I got some
praziquantel (brand names Prazi-pro, or Droncit) and he got better
very quickly--he's fine now. It is easy to use and causes no stress on
the fish or filters. Might be worth a try.

www.goldfishconnection.com has it and could probably rush it to you if
you ask.

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:
>
> wrote in message >...
> > what color are the gills? Ingrid
>
> I Don't know. The only time I tried to do the 'fish physical'
> described on the puregold site, he moved so fast I couldn't pick him
> up (I don't have a net big enough). He's got quite a kick to him when
> he wants to move - I could easily see him ending up on the carpet.
> I'll get a big net tomorrow and see if I can manage it.
> Cheers,
>
> Kev.

Don't use a net to pick fish up - the fish can wiggle and scratch their
slime coat off. I always use a plastic container and "scoop" them up, or
if they are small enough, cupped hands.

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Hi - I've just returned from my local Aquarium centre and had a long
chat with their head man. From what I described to him he is pretty
sure it is a bacterial infection of the stomach and has given me some
meds for him. He also advised me to increase the salt level to 3
grams per litre and to treat the water changes with Ammo-lock instead
of regular conditioner. He also said it was not worth trying to feed
him for a few days whilst the antibiotic kicks in as he will almost
certainly not feed and it will just pollute the water.

He said that I should let him know how the fish progresses and if
there wasn't any improvement he would make up some specially medicated
flake. I must say he was extremely knowledgeable and stopped me from
wasting money on some unneccessary meds I was about to buy. It makes
such a lovely change these days to get excellent customer service. :-)

He does seem to be a little better over the last 24hrs, though I have
only just now put the extra salt and antibiotics in. He is moving
better, and also *almost* making it to the surface sometimes.

Will keep you posted... :-) Fingers crossed !

[[email protected]]

prazi is not that easy on fish. use a peroxide dip instead next time.
http://users.megapathdsl.net/~solo/puregold/disease/disease.htm
anything goes in the tank to treat is going to be harder on fish because it is
contact with the gills. dips are short and less stressful because it is so fast.
Ingrid

I read that flukes can cause those symptoms, so I got some
>praziquantel (brand names Prazi-pro, or Droncit) and he got better
>very quickly--he's fine now. It is easy to use and causes no stress on
>the fish or filters. Might be worth a try.


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Update:

Good news !! (so far... don't want to tempt fate).. He is showing a
significant improvement. He's not 100% yet by any means, but I'd say
he was around the 60% mark. I was advised to give him 50% daily water
changes with 3 grams of salt per litre, plus half the recommended full
dose of anti-bacterial - administered daily rather than the full dose,
wait 4 days, second full dose advised on the bottle. The guy in the
aquarium shop said this would be better due to the large water changes
each day, which would dilute the medication too much. Seeing as he is
showing some improvement, I've started to lower the temp slightly. I
don't think 80 degrees is good, long term, for a goldfish - or am I
wrong ?

He also said not to feed him for a few days, but when I watched him
tonight, he was obviously 'picking' around the bottom looking for
food, and since I've had him (1 week now) he's eaten virtually
nothing. Plus, I seriously doubt he had eaten anything for a while in
his old tank, as he was so ill and the tank was so filthy. I couldn't
bear to see him hungry after not eating for so long, so, I went
against the advice and fed him some bloodworm. He ate a few pieces -
the first time I've ever seen him eat, then ignored the rest - so I
removed it from the tank. It was good to see him get some
nourishment. I hope I've not hindered his recovery by feeding him too
early. He is also moving a lot more, and his fins look much less
stiff than they did.

I think he's probably going to make it after all :-)

Now... I have to get him a proper tank, as he can't stay in that
plastic 'tidy box' for long.

Unless there are any objections to posting small binaries here, I
would like to end this thread (once he's 100% and in a new tank) with
a small photo of the patient.

Thanks again to everyone who has helped.

Cheers for now,

Kev.

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:
> I don't think 80 degrees is good, long term, for a goldfish - or am I
> wrong ?

80 degrees is fine!

[GiveMeABMW]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:
> I don't think 80 degrees is good, long term, for a goldfish - or am I
> wrong ?

80 degrees is fine!>>>

Is it preferable?

[Mel]

Fancy goldfish do best at a temperature between 75-80.
Mel.

"GiveMeABMW" > wrote in message
...
>
> Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:
> > I don't think 80 degrees is good, long term, for a goldfish - or am I
> > wrong ?
>
> 80 degrees is fine!>>>
>
> Is it preferable?

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for fancy GF yes, but a fish with compromised gills a lower temp with superb aeration
would be better. like 70-72. Ingrid

(GiveMeABMW) wrote:

>
>Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:
>> I don't think 80 degrees is good, long term, for a goldfish - or am I
>> wrong ?
>
>80 degrees is fine!>>>
>
>Is it preferable?



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endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Final update:

Well, I think I can say he's 95% now :-) He's still on the
anti-bacterial, but his last dose is tomorrow. I'll keep him on the
salt for a couple of weeks, gradually reducing the content to zero.
He's eating a lot now, and I'm only used to dealing with my two little
ones, so I'm not really sure how much and how often. He seems to
dislike broccoli and lettuce (strange, as my other two love it !), but
is happy munching flake and floating pellets.

I'm going to see if I can buy his old tank from his previous owners,
but I will thoroughly clean it then sterilize it with formalin and
cycle it first. Failing that, it's going to be a new 3 foot tank on
my already straining credit card !

Thanks again to everyone, and Nemo sends his love :-)

Cheers,

Kev.

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 11/30/03 4:33 PM, in article
, "Nebukadnezar The Third"
> wrote:

> Final update:
>
> Well, I think I can say he's 95% now :-) He's still on the
> anti-bacterial, but his last dose is tomorrow. I'll keep him on the
> salt for a couple of weeks, gradually reducing the content to zero.
> He's eating a lot now, and I'm only used to dealing with my two little
> ones, so I'm not really sure how much and how often. He seems to
> dislike broccoli and lettuce (strange, as my other two love it !), but
> is happy munching flake and floating pellets.
>
> I'm going to see if I can buy his old tank from his previous owners,
> but I will thoroughly clean it then sterilize it with formalin and
> cycle it first. Failing that, it's going to be a new 3 foot tank on
> my already straining credit card !
>
> Thanks again to everyone, and Nemo sends his love :-)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kev.


Glad to hear the happy ending!
Cheryl

[Donald Kerns]

Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:

> Well, I think I can say he's 95% now :-)

Happy sigh.

It's nice to win one every once in a while!

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Vissy Dartae]

Donald Kerns > wrote in message >...
> Nebukadnezar The Third wrote:
>
> > Well, I think I can say he's 95% now :-)

Yes! That is one lucky (& tough) goldie. Congratulations.

[Nebukadnezar The Third]

Oh Dear... I seem to have hit a problem with Nemo. I have now spent
far more than I imagined on a 4 foot tank & all the accessories and
tonight was the night of the transfer...

I have two small gf about 2 inches long and big Nemo - about 6 inches
long.
I was advised by the aquarium shop to put the two little ones in first
so Nemo would be coming into 'someone elses tank' and would hopefully
be less territorial. I hasn't quite worked out like that :-(

Nemo has done nothing but hunt down and chase both my little 'uns to
the point that they are now permanently hiding in plants & rocks. I
won't let him spoil the tank for my original two, no matter how much I
cared for him to get him well !!

Right now, I've split the tank with a glass partition to keep him away
from them. It's not what I was hoping for !!

Is there anything I can do to make him behave ??

Many thanks,

Naughty Nemo's Dad.

[_Scott_]

"Nebukadnezar The Third" > wrote in message
om...
> Oh Dear... I seem to have hit a problem with Nemo. I have now spent
> far more than I imagined on a 4 foot tank & all the accessories and
> tonight was the night of the transfer...
>
> I have two small gf about 2 inches long and big Nemo - about 6 inches
> long.
> I was advised by the aquarium shop to put the two little ones in first
> so Nemo would be coming into 'someone elses tank' and would hopefully
> be less territorial. I hasn't quite worked out like that :-(
>
> Nemo has done nothing but hunt down and chase both my little 'uns to
> the point that they are now permanently hiding in plants & rocks. I
> won't let him spoil the tank for my original two, no matter how much I
> cared for him to get him well !!
>
> Right now, I've split the tank with a glass partition to keep him away
> from them. It's not what I was hoping for !!
>
> Is there anything I can do to make him behave ??
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Naughty Nemo's Dad.
I heard somewhere, have a chopstick in the tank and when he starts chasing
the other fish give him a little tap eventually he will realise not to do it
:)

Or maybe show him a fish recipie book ;)
scott

[[email protected]]

GF arent territorial. they are hungry. big GF see little GF as food. until those
little guys get bigger, that will be the story. Ingrid

(Nebukadnezar The Third) wrote:

>Oh Dear... I seem to have hit a problem with Nemo. I have now spent
>far more than I imagined on a 4 foot tank & all the accessories and
>tonight was the night of the transfer...
>
>I have two small gf about 2 inches long and big Nemo - about 6 inches
>long.
>I was advised by the aquarium shop to put the two little ones in first
>so Nemo would be coming into 'someone elses tank' and would hopefully
>be less territorial. I hasn't quite worked out like that :-(
>
>Nemo has done nothing but hunt down and chase both my little 'uns to
>the point that they are now permanently hiding in plants & rocks. I
>won't let him spoil the tank for my original two, no matter how much I
>cared for him to get him well !!
>
>Right now, I've split the tank with a glass partition to keep him away
>from them. It's not what I was hoping for !!
>
>Is there anything I can do to make him behave ??
>
>Many thanks,
>
>Naughty Nemo's Dad.



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