fish losing color

[Budbudford]

Hi,

I have a panda butterfly that I think is very healthy in the sense
that he eats well, and is very active. However I have noticed a
significant color change change since I've had him. When I first got
him, his black and white was very distinctive. Now he is more black
and grey. The white is not as "clear".

What happened? My water parameters are fine, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites,
8.2 pH, 15 nitrates. Is there something in the lighting?

Thanks for the help,
Ed

[Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl]

On the subject of fish colors I bought 2 black Moore and while one is pitch
black all over
the other appears to have some pitch black and some silvery looking on him

Would that be age difference and as one matures he will become blacker all
over or is
it just how some are ?

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"Budbudford" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I have a panda butterfly that I think is very healthy in the sense
> that he eats well, and is very active. However I have noticed a
> significant color change change since I've had him. When I first got
> him, his black and white was very distinctive. Now he is more black
> and grey. The white is not as "clear".
>
> What happened? My water parameters are fine, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites,
> 8.2 pH, 15 nitrates. Is there something in the lighting?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Ed

[Azul]

On 21 Nov 2003 23:47:25 -0800, (Budbudford) wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I have a panda butterfly that I think is very healthy in the sense
>that he eats well, and is very active. However I have noticed a
>significant color change change since I've had him. When I first got
>him, his black and white was very distinctive. Now he is more black
>and grey. The white is not as "clear".
>
>What happened? My water parameters are fine, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites,
>8.2 pH, 15 nitrates. Is there something in the lighting?
>
>Thanks for the help,
>Ed

From what I understand, Panda coloring is not as fixed as a Moor.
Therefore, many times they will change color as they age. One of the
first fish I bought was a Panda, though I did not know it at the time,
and over this past year he has changed from black to orange. If you
go to my web site you will see some pictures of him in the middle of
his change and then once he finished.

Anyway, from what I understand it is genetics and a normal
progression. Kinda like a kid born with white blonde hair that changes
to brown later on.

http://www.sentex.net/~eamoe/OurSite/index.html

Azul

[T]

Koi, being in the same family can change thier markings ( hench thier
colouration ) up till the time they are five years old.. I have noticed
Black Moor's in warmer tanks lose their deep black colouring and go brownish
orange..

Timmer...


"Budbudford" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I have a panda butterfly that I think is very healthy in the sense
> that he eats well, and is very active. However I have noticed a
> significant color change change since I've had him. When I first got
> him, his black and white was very distinctive. Now he is more black
> and grey. The white is not as "clear".
>
> What happened? My water parameters are fine, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites,
> 8.2 pH, 15 nitrates. Is there something in the lighting?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Ed

[Dark Phoenix]

"T" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Koi, being in the same family can change thier markings ( hench thier
> colouration ) up till the time they are five years old.. I have noticed
> Black Moor's in warmer tanks lose their deep black colouring and go
brownish
> orange..
Hmmm... so that's what's happening! I finally dipped into the 'get a bigger
tank' fund and bought a heater about 2 weeks ago, and Morticia the Moor
(Tish the Fish) is getting more of the brassy color on her belly... now I
see!

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Moors (they are only black) are completely recessive for no colors. they have a
bronzy color underbelly under the black. they cannot change color.
many fish being sold as "moors" are just young telescopes that will change color.
Ingrid


>Black Moor's in warmer tanks lose their deep black colouring and go brownish
>orange..


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[T]

Thank you Ingrid, I was miss informed apparently. I wish I remember where I
read that article. Chances are the LFS does not know the difference..
BTW.. I still need me a home for bunch of fish, what I beleive is a Black
Moor, common GF and Koi.. Help......

Timmer...
> wrote in message
...
> Moors (they are only black) are completely recessive for no colors. they
have a
> bronzy color underbelly under the black. they cannot change color.
> many fish being sold as "moors" are just young telescopes that will change
color.
> Ingrid
>
>
> >Black Moor's in warmer tanks lose their deep black colouring and go
brownish
> >orange..
>
>
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> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[ponder]

That is not a panda oranda, sorry but they ripped you off, yes fish change
color and maybe the parents were a panda and an ordinary orange ryunkin or
other oranda, put Pandas have to be bred specific, and he's not one.

"Budbudford" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi,
>
> I have a panda butterfly that I think is very healthy in the sense
> that he eats well, and is very active. However I have noticed a
> significant color change change since I've had him. When I first got
> him, his black and white was very distinctive. Now he is more black
> and grey. The white is not as "clear".
>
> What happened? My water parameters are fine, 0 ammonia, 0 nitrites,
> 8.2 pH, 15 nitrates. Is there something in the lighting?
>
> Thanks for the help,
> Ed