Lump covering eye, please advise!

[Christopher Lewis]

Dear All,
I hope someone can help me, I have a female goldfish, who has now been
with me for 5 years. She has recently developed what first of all seemed to
be a cloud over her eye, has now developed into a very substanional lump
over her eye. I'm worried that it maybe some kind of cancerous condition.
Twice now when I have cleaned her out, when she has been placed into
different water the lump has started oozing blood from different parts of
it, and the blood has appeared very 'bitty' but perhaps this is just me
thinking this as it's in the water.

The lump is very noticeable, but the other eye has not been affected at all.
Also it doesn't actually seem to be affecting her, she remains active and
still has a good appetite. Its a real worry and would appreciate some
advise. She lives in a large tank, with just water in (no pumps or anything)
she is cleaned out every 2 weeks or so and the water is treated with a
number of disease treatments, though have always been treating her with
these since fin rot about 4 years ago.

Please help!

Christopher Lewis

[Mel]

Because only one eye is affected, there is a strong chance that she injured
it in the tank somehow and it could have become infected since. If it was
some sort of internal infection , usually both eyes would be affected.
I should imagine that poor water quality is not heeding matters here and
could be what's stopping the eye form healing on it's own. Have you tested
your water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate)? If you ahven't then
you really need to. If you don't want to buy the kits yourself then most
aquatic stores will test it for you if you take sample in to them. Don't
just let them tell you it's ok/not ok though as they don't always give out
correct info. Take a pen and paper and write down the results then post them
here so we can help.
Goldfish really, really need a good filter as they are such messy fish, and
without a filter, a water change every 2 weeks is not nearly enough. Even
with an excellent filter a weekly 305 water change is necessary to keep
water parameters in check. I would be doing a 30% water change (with
dechlorinated and temperature matched water) every day if it was my fish. In
fact, you should really start this now and continue until you get your water
tested. It really will perk your fish up and an improvement in water quality
will do wonders for the fishes healing.
By the what, what disease treatments are you currently using? There really
shouldn't be any need to be treating with meds constantly for 4 years and
this would be putting the fish under immense stress.
Mel.


"Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
...
> Dear All,
> I hope someone can help me, I have a female goldfish, who has now been
> with me for 5 years. She has recently developed what first of all seemed
to
> be a cloud over her eye, has now developed into a very substanional lump
> over her eye. I'm worried that it maybe some kind of cancerous condition.
> Twice now when I have cleaned her out, when she has been placed into
> different water the lump has started oozing blood from different parts of
> it, and the blood has appeared very 'bitty' but perhaps this is just me
> thinking this as it's in the water.
>
> The lump is very noticeable, but the other eye has not been affected at
all.
> Also it doesn't actually seem to be affecting her, she remains active and
> still has a good appetite. Its a real worry and would appreciate some
> advise. She lives in a large tank, with just water in (no pumps or
anything)
> she is cleaned out every 2 weeks or so and the water is treated with a
> number of disease treatments, though have always been treating her with
> these since fin rot about 4 years ago.
>
> Please help!
>
> Christopher Lewis
>
>

[[email protected]]

email or call the Goldfish Guru. She has seen almost everything.
1-251-649-4790

"Christopher Lewis" > wrote:

>Dear All,
> I hope someone can help me, I have a female goldfish, who has now been
>with me for 5 years. She has recently developed what first of all seemed to
>be a cloud over her eye, has now developed into a very substanional lump
>over her eye. I'm worried that it maybe some kind of cancerous condition.
>Twice now when I have cleaned her out, when she has been placed into
>different water the lump has started oozing blood from different parts of
>it, and the blood has appeared very 'bitty' but perhaps this is just me
>thinking this as it's in the water.
>
>The lump is very noticeable, but the other eye has not been affected at all.
>Also it doesn't actually seem to be affecting her, she remains active and
>still has a good appetite. Its a real worry and would appreciate some
>advise. She lives in a large tank, with just water in (no pumps or anything)
>she is cleaned out every 2 weeks or so and the water is treated with a
>number of disease treatments, though have always been treating her with
>these since fin rot about 4 years ago.
>
>Please help!
>
>Christopher Lewis
>



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[Christopher Lewis]

Dear Mel, thank you very much indeed for your reply, its interesting
your view that it was an injury in the tank, though its beyond me how
it could have happened but yes I can see where your coming from that
an infection would have affected both eyes.

As for the disease treatment, well I've always put it in, and never
stopped, I was always afraid that stopping putting the medicne in
would cause an attack of some description, I know it seems daft but
even now I'd be very unwilling to stop putting the stuff in. I have a
number of Interpet medicnes, Tap safe, fish safe, disease safe and
Antifungus finrot (As mentioned before she had finrot once)

I cleaned her out today and plesantly the eye didn't bleed at all and
even now she seems as perky as ever with a good appitite. It really is
very noticable though I'm so concerned as she is such an old friend
now.
I will try doing a 30% clean out starting from tomorrow and I will see
about the aquarium test you mentioned. Fingers crossed eh?

Many thanks indeed

Chris Lewis
"Mel" > wrote in message >...
> Because only one eye is affected, there is a strong chance that she injured
> it in the tank somehow and it could have become infected since. If it was
> some sort of internal infection , usually both eyes would be affected.
> I should imagine that poor water quality is not heeding matters here and
> could be what's stopping the eye form healing on it's own. Have you tested
> your water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate)? If you ahven't then
> you really need to. If you don't want to buy the kits yourself then most
> aquatic stores will test it for you if you take sample in to them. Don't
> just let them tell you it's ok/not ok though as they don't always give out
> correct info. Take a pen and paper and write down the results then post them
> here so we can help.
> Goldfish really, really need a good filter as they are such messy fish, and
> without a filter, a water change every 2 weeks is not nearly enough. Even
> with an excellent filter a weekly 305 water change is necessary to keep
> water parameters in check. I would be doing a 30% water change (with
> dechlorinated and temperature matched water) every day if it was my fish. In
> fact, you should really start this now and continue until you get your water
> tested. It really will perk your fish up and an improvement in water quality
> will do wonders for the fishes healing.
> By the what, what disease treatments are you currently using? There really
> shouldn't be any need to be treating with meds constantly for 4 years and
> this would be putting the fish under immense stress.
> Mel.
>
>
> "Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Dear All,
> > I hope someone can help me, I have a female goldfish, who has now been
> > with me for 5 years. She has recently developed what first of all seemed
> to
> > be a cloud over her eye, has now developed into a very substanional lump
> > over her eye. I'm worried that it maybe some kind of cancerous condition.
> > Twice now when I have cleaned her out, when she has been placed into
> > different water the lump has started oozing blood from different parts of
> > it, and the blood has appeared very 'bitty' but perhaps this is just me
> > thinking this as it's in the water.
> >
> > The lump is very noticeable, but the other eye has not been affected at
> all.
> > Also it doesn't actually seem to be affecting her, she remains active and
> > still has a good appetite. Its a real worry and would appreciate some
> > advise. She lives in a large tank, with just water in (no pumps or
> anything)
> > she is cleaned out every 2 weeks or so and the water is treated with a
> > number of disease treatments, though have always been treating her with
> > these since fin rot about 4 years ago.
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> > Christopher Lewis
> >
> >

[Mel]

Kepe up the 30% water changes (and add a filter if at all possible) and
hopefully the eye will begin to heal.
As for the medicines - whilst you're adding them in an attempt to stop
disease before it starts, what you are actually doing is giving all the
disease organisms a chance to get used to, and build up an immunity to the
medicines. The same would happen to us if we constantly took antibiotics.
So, once you really do get a disease outbreak of some sort, using medicines
wont work because the bacteria will have become immune to them. Also, when
medicines are added to the water, the oxygen level decreases which will also
stress the fish.
The only thing you should be adding to your water on a regular basis is
dechlorinator, such as the Tapsafe you mention. You really, really shouldn't
be adding the others all the time. Good water is all a fish needs to remain
healthy. Look after the water and the water will look after the fish. Almost
all the diseases a goldfish can get are caused by bad water quality, finrot
being one of them.
Mel.

"Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
om...
> Dear Mel, thank you very much indeed for your reply, its interesting
> your view that it was an injury in the tank, though its beyond me how
> it could have happened but yes I can see where your coming from that
> an infection would have affected both eyes.
>
> As for the disease treatment, well I've always put it in, and never
> stopped, I was always afraid that stopping putting the medicne in
> would cause an attack of some description, I know it seems daft but
> even now I'd be very unwilling to stop putting the stuff in. I have a
> number of Interpet medicnes, Tap safe, fish safe, disease safe and
> Antifungus finrot (As mentioned before she had finrot once)
>
> I cleaned her out today and plesantly the eye didn't bleed at all and
> even now she seems as perky as ever with a good appitite. It really is
> very noticable though I'm so concerned as she is such an old friend
> now.
> I will try doing a 30% clean out starting from tomorrow and I will see
> about the aquarium test you mentioned. Fingers crossed eh?
>
> Many thanks indeed
>
> Chris Lewis
> "Mel" > wrote in message
>...
> > Because only one eye is affected, there is a strong chance that she
injured
> > it in the tank somehow and it could have become infected since. If it
was
> > some sort of internal infection , usually both eyes would be affected.
> > I should imagine that poor water quality is not heeding matters here and
> > could be what's stopping the eye form healing on it's own. Have you
tested
> > your water parameters (ammonia, nitrite and nitrate)? If you ahven't
then
> > you really need to. If you don't want to buy the kits yourself then most
> > aquatic stores will test it for you if you take sample in to them.
Don't
> > just let them tell you it's ok/not ok though as they don't always give
out
> > correct info. Take a pen and paper and write down the results then post
them
> > here so we can help.
> > Goldfish really, really need a good filter as they are such messy fish,
and
> > without a filter, a water change every 2 weeks is not nearly enough.
Even
> > with an excellent filter a weekly 305 water change is necessary to keep
> > water parameters in check. I would be doing a 30% water change (with
> > dechlorinated and temperature matched water) every day if it was my
fish. In
> > fact, you should really start this now and continue until you get your
water
> > tested. It really will perk your fish up and an improvement in water
quality
> > will do wonders for the fishes healing.
> > By the what, what disease treatments are you currently using? There
really
> > shouldn't be any need to be treating with meds constantly for 4 years
and
> > this would be putting the fish under immense stress.
> > Mel.
> >
> >
> > "Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Dear All,
> > > I hope someone can help me, I have a female goldfish, who has now
been
> > > with me for 5 years. She has recently developed what first of all
seemed
> > to
> > > be a cloud over her eye, has now developed into a very substanional
lump
> > > over her eye. I'm worried that it maybe some kind of cancerous
condition.
> > > Twice now when I have cleaned her out, when she has been placed into
> > > different water the lump has started oozing blood from different parts
of
> > > it, and the blood has appeared very 'bitty' but perhaps this is just
me
> > > thinking this as it's in the water.
> > >
> > > The lump is very noticeable, but the other eye has not been affected
at
> > all.
> > > Also it doesn't actually seem to be affecting her, she remains active
and
> > > still has a good appetite. Its a real worry and would appreciate some
> > > advise. She lives in a large tank, with just water in (no pumps or
> > anything)
> > > she is cleaned out every 2 weeks or so and the water is treated with a
> > > number of disease treatments, though have always been treating her
with
> > > these since fin rot about 4 years ago.
> > >
> > > Please help!
> > >
> > > Christopher Lewis
> > >
> > >

[ponder]

I would also say it is from hitting something.
You said she is 5 yrs old and she just got this. I was thinking of an oranda
we have that has one bubble eye, it is a pearl scale, NO bubble eye, well
guess what one of the parents was?

"Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
...
> Dear All,
> I hope someone can help me, I have a female goldfish, who has now been
> with me for 5 years. She has recently developed what first of all seemed
to
> be a cloud over her eye, has now developed into a very substanional lump
> over her eye. I'm worried that it maybe some kind of cancerous condition.
> Twice now when I have cleaned her out, when she has been placed into
> different water the lump has started oozing blood from different parts of
> it, and the blood has appeared very 'bitty' but perhaps this is just me
> thinking this as it's in the water.
>
> The lump is very noticeable, but the other eye has not been affected at
all.
> Also it doesn't actually seem to be affecting her, she remains active and
> still has a good appetite. Its a real worry and would appreciate some
> advise. She lives in a large tank, with just water in (no pumps or
anything)
> she is cleaned out every 2 weeks or so and the water is treated with a
> number of disease treatments, though have always been treating her with
> these since fin rot about 4 years ago.
>
> Please help!
>
> Christopher Lewis
>
>

[Christopher Lewis]

Hi everyone, thanks for all the messages of help. Am now doing a 30%
cleanout and not adding any more medication other than tap safe (which
just purifies the water a little) but you can't fail to notice that
every day it is growing that little bit bigger. Let me try and
describe what it looks like:
Her actual eye is about 1cm wide, however it is now covered with a
light purple (violet) covered lump which protrudes about 1.5 - 2cm OUT
from her body and is about 2.5cm in length from top to bottom. There
is a lighter shade on the top part of the lump which would appear to
contain some sort of liquid.

However I can't stress enough that she is as active as she has ever
been but this is not going to end well if this lump continues to grow.
Is there any method I could try something that is a definate action, a
medication of some sort or anything as I don't think this is going to
go away on its own.

Thanks guys

Chris

[Geezer From The Freezer]

dr-solo offered a number / email - I'd suggest you use it.

Christopher Lewis wrote:
>
> Hi everyone, thanks for all the messages of help. Am now doing a 30%
> cleanout and not adding any more medication other than tap safe (which
> just purifies the water a little) but you can't fail to notice that
> every day it is growing that little bit bigger. Let me try and
> describe what it looks like:
> Her actual eye is about 1cm wide, however it is now covered with a
> light purple (violet) covered lump which protrudes about 1.5 - 2cm OUT
> from her body and is about 2.5cm in length from top to bottom. There
> is a lighter shade on the top part of the lump which would appear to
> contain some sort of liquid.
>
> However I can't stress enough that she is as active as she has ever
> been but this is not going to end well if this lump continues to grow.
> Is there any method I could try something that is a definate action, a
> medication of some sort or anything as I don't think this is going to
> go away on its own.
>
> Thanks guys
>
> Chris

[Christopher Lewis]

Indeed I did E-Mail, but unfortuantely due to personal problems they
were unable to offer any advice.

So am still worried and confused

Chris

[[email protected]]

yeah, Jo Ann's mother just died. you will have to wait. Ingrid

(Christopher Lewis) wrote:

>Indeed I did E-Mail, but unfortuantely due to personal problems they
>were unable to offer any advice.
>
>So am still worried and confused
>
>Chris



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Christopher Lewis]

' you will have to wait'

Yes thank you for that - I intend to.

[Kodiak]

Goto koivet.com, i thought I read somewhere on the site that Doc Ericson
will
take care of your fish, possibly even operate at no charge if he
thinks it's cancer. I imagine you can discuss the problem over the
phone with him, and ship the fish UPS overnight. Hope this helps.
...Kodiak

"Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
om...
> ' you will have to wait'
>
> Yes thank you for that - I intend to.

[[email protected]]

you got the phone number??

"Kodiak" > wrote:
>Goto koivet.com, i thought I read somewhere on the site that Doc Ericson
>will
>take care of your fish, possibly even operate at no charge if he
>thinks it's cancer. I imagine you can discuss the problem over the
>phone with him, and ship the fish UPS overnight. Hope this helps.
>..Kodiak


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Christopher Lewis]

Dear Kodiak,

Many thanks indeed for the message, unfortunately though I
live in the United Kingdom so I'm afraid that just isn't possible. But
that site certinally is useful there's some great information on it so
thanks for that.

And also just in case anyone is wondering, the lump on her eye has
just about stopped growing now since I now perform a 30% cleanout
daily and a once weekly completle cleanout but alas no signs of it
going at all. Still she still remains active and lively as normal so
am still a bit confused! (Oh and it was her 5th birthday yesterday I'm
so proud!)

Chris


"Kodiak" > wrote in message >...
> Goto koivet.com, i thought I read somewhere on the site that Doc Ericson
> will
> take care of your fish, possibly even operate at no charge if he
> thinks it's cancer. I imagine you can discuss the problem over the
> phone with him, and ship the fish UPS overnight. Hope this helps.
> ..Kodiak
>
> "Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
> om...
> > ' you will have to wait'
> >
> > Yes thank you for that - I intend to.

[Mel]

There is no need to do a once a week complete clean out. Partial water
changes are better for the fish.


"Christopher Lewis" > wrote in message
om...
> Dear Kodiak,
>
> Many thanks indeed for the message, unfortunately though I
> live in the United Kingdom so I'm afraid that just isn't possible. But
> that site certinally is useful there's some great information on it so
> thanks for that.
>
> And also just in case anyone is wondering, the lump on her eye has
> just about stopped growing now since I now perform a 30% cleanout
> daily and a once weekly completle cleanout but alas no signs of it
> going at all. Still she still remains active and lively as normal so
> am still a bit confused! (Oh and it was her 5th birthday yesterday I'm
> so proud!)
>
> Chris
>
>
> "Kodiak" > wrote in message
>...
> > Goto koivet.com, i thought I read somewhere on the site that Doc Ericson
> > will
> > take care of your fish, possibly even operate at no charge if he
> > thinks it's cancer. I imagine you can discuss the problem over the
> > phone with him, and ship the fish UPS overnight. Hope this helps.
> > ..Kodiak
> >
> > "Christopher Lewis" > wrote in
message
> > om...
> > > ' you will have to wait'
> > >
> > > Yes thank you for that - I intend to.