goldfish keeping _before_ electricity ??

[Dennis Fox]

I am curious ... goldfish have been bred and kept for centuries ...
while most current filtering technologies use electricity ... how did
the Chinese keep healthy goldfish before electricity? Any ideas? I am
interested to see what I/we might learn from the traditional aquarist
methods.

Any references to books/sites, et cetera, would be most appreciated.

BTW, I am familiar with Mike Edwardes' Lotech Tank experience.

Thanks,
Dennis

[BErney1014]

>how did
>the Chinese keep healthy goldfish before electricity? Any ideas? I am
>
> interested to see what I/we might learn from the traditional aquarist
>
>methods.

Go to the site green&gold.

[Toni]

"Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
...
> I am curious ... goldfish have been bred and kept for centuries ...
> while most current filtering technologies use electricity ... how did
> the Chinese keep healthy goldfish before electricity? Any ideas? I am
> interested to see what I/we might learn from the traditional aquarist
> methods.
>


A book I have shows photos of very wide clay pots that were used to house
goldfish.
Then (and now) they relied on lots of water changes to keep the water clean.
Frequency of changes was dictated by the season.


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[esq.]

>Then (and now) they relied on lots of water changes to keep the water clean.
>Frequency of changes was dictated by the season.

I always wondered how they accomplished water changes before running water.
Does the book have any specific info?

[Jan Sacharuk]

In article >, esq. wrote:
>>Then (and now) they relied on lots of water changes to keep the water clean.
>>Frequency of changes was dictated by the season.
>
> I always wondered how they accomplished water changes before running water.
> Does the book have any specific info?

Generally, the Chinese had very clean water. It's hypothesized that
it's the reason why they're generally lactose and alcohol
intolerant. With no impetus to drink things other than water on a
regular/daily basis, they never built up a response to these
things. Europeans, on the other hand, were drinking milk and beer
because their water was generally too dirty to drink straight.

JS

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They changed the water daily... When there was no running water, they carried
from the river... A modern pain in the backside.... Wish I could be so
pampered...

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a myth. they are traditionally heavy users of night soil for growing crops. in the
south they were heavy users of irrigation for double and triple cropping, irrigation
typically leads to contamination of ground water.
They are lactose intolerant because most of the world is lactose intolerant once they
are weaned. Only N. Europeans carry the mutation that doesnt turn off lactose enzyme.
It is true some Chinese flush from drinking alcohol, but certainly not all ... check
out Hong Kong. Chinese do not drink cold water, they drink white tea. all water is
boiled before consumption. Ingrid

Jan Sacharuk > wrote:
>Generally, the Chinese had very clean water. It's hypothesized that
>it's the reason why they're generally lactose and alcohol
>intolerant. With no impetus to drink things other than water on a
>regular/daily basis, they never built up a response to these
>things. Europeans, on the other hand, were drinking milk and beer
>because their water was generally too dirty to drink straight.
>
>JS



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[Jan Sacharuk]

In article >, wrote:
> a myth. they are traditionally heavy users of night soil for growing crops. in the
> south they were heavy users of irrigation for double and triple cropping, irrigation
> typically leads to contamination of ground water.
> They are lactose intolerant because most of the world is lactose intolerant once they
> are weaned. Only N. Europeans carry the mutation that doesnt turn
>off lactose enzyme.

Sure. But why? Probably because people that drank the dirty water
died, and people that drank things other than the dirty water managed
to survive to procreating age.

> It is true some Chinese flush from drinking alcohol, but certainly not all ... check
> out Hong Kong. Chinese do not drink cold water, they drink white tea. all water is
> boiled before consumption. Ingrid

Well, every one of MY Chinese family is massively alcohol
intolerant. Besides, I'm not saying that every Chinese person can't
hold their liquor. However, most of them can't.

In any case, this isn't my particular hypothesis, though I have found
it to make sense. Other people far more qualified than I have written
about it.

JS

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Jan Sacharuk > wrote:
>Sure. But why? Probably because people that drank the dirty water
>died, and people that drank things other than the dirty water managed
>to survive to procreating age.
..... of course that is why

>Well, every one of MY Chinese family is massively alcohol
>intolerant. Besides, I'm not saying that every Chinese person can't
>hold their liquor. However, most of them can't.

well... research doesnt show flushing is necessarily going to stop drinking. As a
pretty much non drinker none of my Chinese friends nor my Japanese relatives ever
offered my a "drink" nor drank in my presence so I have no basis of saying if they
were intolerant or not, abstainers or not.

Researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles, (Chi, Lubben and Kitano,
1989; Kitano and Chi, 1986; Lubben, Chi and Kitano, 1988; Chi and Kitano,1989) have
studied drinking among Chinese, Japanese, Korean and Pilipinos in Los Angeles. The
combined studies showed that abstinence among these groups was high:

Abstaining Men Women
Japanese 17% 27%
Pilipinos 19% 55%
Chinese 21% 51%
Koreans 45% 75%

Heavy Drinking
Chinese 14% 1%
Koreans 26% 1%
Pilipinos 29% 3.5%
Japanese 29% 11/7%
The researchers concluded that while the results confirmed the traditional view of
Asian women as abstainers or light drinkers, they also revealed a considerable amount

heavy drinking among men, particularly Japanese and Koreans, possibly as high as the
general U.S. population. There is lack of similar data available for other Asian
Pacific groups.
http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:5q-bbskBoHEJ:paadp.org/needassestment.pdf+percentage+of+chinese+alcohol+i ntolerance&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Ingrid


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"Toni" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "Dennis Fox" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am curious ... goldfish have been bred and kept for centuries ...
> > while most current filtering technologies use electricity ... how did
> > the Chinese keep healthy goldfish before electricity? Any ideas? I am
> > interested to see what I/we might learn from the traditional aquarist
> > methods.
> >
>
>
> A book I have shows photos of very wide clay pots that were used to house
> goldfish.
> Then (and now) they relied on lots of water changes to keep the water
clean.
> Frequency of changes was dictated by the season.
>
>
> --
> Toni
> http://www.cearbhaill.com/goldfish.htm
>
>