From floating to sinking now!

[Kudzu]

Are all Goldfish prone to be sick? I am beginning to think so. But that's
another subject.

Oranda was floating upside down. Put her in a shallow tank after a salt dip
and feed her some peas. Used the bucket to bucket method for a week. By the
end of the week she is doing better in deeper water, no longer floating..
Put her back in her tank and now she appears to have another swim bladder
problem. She can't seem to float to swim. She stays on the bottom but eats
very well and is reasonably active considering.

I can't find any information on treatment. Any suggestions?

Discouraged <*\\><

[Donald Kerns]

Kudzu wrote:

> Are all Goldfish prone to be sick? I am beginning to think so. But
> that's another subject.
>
How many gallons per fish?

-D
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

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get temp up to 80oF
feed much smaller amounts of food at a time, soak the food completely.
a well balanced and closed tank can do well for years without problems.
Ingrid

"Kudzu" > wrote:

>Are all Goldfish prone to be sick? I am beginning to think so. But that's
>another subject.
>
>Oranda was floating upside down. Put her in a shallow tank after a salt dip
>and feed her some peas. Used the bucket to bucket method for a week. By the
>end of the week she is doing better in deeper water, no longer floating..
>Put her back in her tank and now she appears to have another swim bladder
>problem. She can't seem to float to swim. She stays on the bottom but eats
>very well and is reasonably active considering.
>
>I can't find any information on treatment. Any suggestions?
>
>Discouraged <*\\><
>
>



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[Kudzu]

> How many gallons per fish?

2 large Oranda's in a 65G with 10 +/- gallons in a sump.
So no, tank is no where near over loaded. I am experienced. Just had no luck
with goldfish.

[ponder]

go to www.koivet.com
soaking the food is what you need to do and squeeze out the air, orandas
need oranda food, not GF food, what happens is there is a lot of air in
other foods, and that is bad for orandas. Oranda food is sinking so they are
also not gulping air from the surface, don't feed floating foods..

> wrote in message
...
> get temp up to 80oF
> feed much smaller amounts of food at a time, soak the food completely.
> a well balanced and closed tank can do well for years without problems.
> Ingrid
>
> "Kudzu" > wrote:
>
> >Are all Goldfish prone to be sick? I am beginning to think so. But that's
> >another subject.
> >
> >Oranda was floating upside down. Put her in a shallow tank after a salt
dip
> >and feed her some peas. Used the bucket to bucket method for a week. By
the
> >end of the week she is doing better in deeper water, no longer floating..
> >Put her back in her tank and now she appears to have another swim bladder
> >problem. She can't seem to float to swim. She stays on the bottom but
eats
> >very well and is reasonably active considering.
> >
> >I can't find any information on treatment. Any suggestions?
> >
> >Discouraged <*\\><
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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orandas are goldfish, and all fancy goldfish do better on sinking food. but soak and
squeeze all you want and if you overfeed, they will float. floating food is NOT the
CAUSE of floating. Ingrid

"ponder" > wrote:

>go to www.koivet.com
>soaking the food is what you need to do and squeeze out the air, orandas
>need oranda food, not GF food, what happens is there is a lot of air in
>other foods, and that is bad for orandas. Oranda food is sinking so they are
>also not gulping air from the surface, don't feed floating foods..



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl]

Are you all aware that goldfish and the like are very much like us humans if
their diet
isn't varied they might not be able to poop

If they cant poop its constipation and they will just sit around looking
bloated or floating
vary the diet buy talking to your fish specialist about fiber foods

I have an all in one food it is like when u sprinkle nutmeg or cinnamon you
know turning
the dial lid so the holes match up and you sprinkle

Mine has 4 compartments of special food 1 for fiber 1 for something to help
fishes grow
healthy and the other 2 are added vitamins and a special food to help them
retain their color

Well worth looking into I started that special food 6 days after I set up my
tank I give the flakes
in the morning and a mix of each of these special foods at night

They all seem to be sitting less and have more energy lost of busy activity
Vikki

> wrote in message
...
> orandas are goldfish, and all fancy goldfish do better on sinking food.
but soak and
> squeeze all you want and if you overfeed, they will float. floating food
is NOT the
> CAUSE of floating. Ingrid
>
> "ponder" > wrote:
>
> >go to www.koivet.com
> >soaking the food is what you need to do and squeeze out the air, orandas
> >need oranda food, not GF food, what happens is there is a lot of air in
> >other foods, and that is bad for orandas. Oranda food is sinking so they
are
> >also not gulping air from the surface, don't feed floating foods..
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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no, goldfish are not like us. They are poikilothermic meaning their metabolism
increases with increasing temperature. their digestion is related to the temp of the
water. feed them too much when the temp is cold and the food sits in their
intestines.
they have no stomach. so overfeeding puts the food directly into the intestines.
overfeeding leads to impaction. humans have adapted to individual meals. fish are
"grazers" eating tiny amounts at a time.
humans are land based animals. we can digest food with high amounts of cellulose
(altho not well) cause we got the long intestines or the omnivore. we can digest
complex proteins for the same reason. GF are water based animals adapted to the low
cellulose of water plants, got short intestines more like carnivores and cannot
digest carbohydrates almost at all, nor complex land based proteins or fats.
GF diet in the wild is varied, but good fish food has everything needed.
OTOH, take a look at the food you got ..... poor quality food has as the first
ingredient corn or wheat? that is a land based starch that is not digested by GF.
but it doesnt matter how high quality the food is, if overfed, GF will get impacted
and have problems. Ingrid

"Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" > wrote:
>Are you all aware that goldfish and the like are very much like us humans if
>their diet isn't varied they might not be able to poop
>
>If they cant poop its constipation and they will just sit around looking
>bloated or floating vary the diet buy talking to your fish specialist about fiber foods


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Kodiak]

I'm using Laguna Goldfish pellets, first ingredients are: Fishmeal, Soyabean
meal, wheat flour,
rice flour, vitamin A, C, D3, and E supplements, Ethoxyquin preservative
agent.

I know this isn't ROMET B but can i do better for my fishies?
What do you think of that coulour enhancing food? It makes my
filter media turn red.
....Kodiak

> wrote in message
...
> no, goldfish are not like us. They are poikilothermic meaning their
metabolism
> increases with increasing temperature. their digestion is related to the
temp of the
> water. feed them too much when the temp is cold and the food sits in
their
> intestines.
> they have no stomach. so overfeeding puts the food directly into the
intestines.
> overfeeding leads to impaction. humans have adapted to individual meals.
fish are
> "grazers" eating tiny amounts at a time.
> humans are land based animals. we can digest food with high amounts of
cellulose
> (altho not well) cause we got the long intestines or the omnivore. we can
digest
> complex proteins for the same reason. GF are water based animals adapted
to the low
> cellulose of water plants, got short intestines more like carnivores and
cannot
> digest carbohydrates almost at all, nor complex land based proteins or
fats.
> GF diet in the wild is varied, but good fish food has everything needed.
> OTOH, take a look at the food you got ..... poor quality food has as the
first
> ingredient corn or wheat? that is a land based starch that is not
digested by GF.
> but it doesnt matter how high quality the food is, if overfed, GF will
get impacted
> and have problems. Ingrid
>
> "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" > wrote:
> >Are you all aware that goldfish and the like are very much like us humans
if
> >their diet isn't varied they might not be able to poop
> >
> >If they cant poop its constipation and they will just sit around looking
> >bloated or floating vary the diet buy talking to your fish specialist
about fiber foods
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Kodiak]

I'm using Laguna Goldfish pellets, first ingredients are:
Fishmeal, Soyabean meal, wheat flour,
rice flour, vitamin A, C, D3, and E supplements,
and Ethoxyquin preservative agent.

I know this isn't ROMET B but can i do better for my fishies?
What do you think of that coulour enhancing food? It makes my
filter media turn red.
....Kodiak


--
....Kodiak
> wrote in message
...
> no, goldfish are not like us. They are poikilothermic meaning their
metabolism
> increases with increasing temperature. their digestion is related to the
temp of the
> water. feed them too much when the temp is cold and the food sits in
their
> intestines.
> they have no stomach. so overfeeding puts the food directly into the
intestines.
> overfeeding leads to impaction. humans have adapted to individual meals.
fish are
> "grazers" eating tiny amounts at a time.
> humans are land based animals. we can digest food with high amounts of
cellulose
> (altho not well) cause we got the long intestines or the omnivore. we can
digest
> complex proteins for the same reason. GF are water based animals adapted
to the low
> cellulose of water plants, got short intestines more like carnivores and
cannot
> digest carbohydrates almost at all, nor complex land based proteins or
fats.
> GF diet in the wild is varied, but good fish food has everything needed.
> OTOH, take a look at the food you got ..... poor quality food has as the
first
> ingredient corn or wheat? that is a land based starch that is not
digested by GF.
> but it doesnt matter how high quality the food is, if overfed, GF will
get impacted
> and have problems. Ingrid
>
> "Miss Vikki Australia / Mystery Girl" > wrote:
> >Are you all aware that goldfish and the like are very much like us humans
if
> >their diet isn't varied they might not be able to poop
> >
> >If they cant poop its constipation and they will just sit around looking
> >bloated or floating vary the diet buy talking to your fish specialist
about fiber foods
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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romet B is antibiotic food for catfish. It isnt ideal by any means.
this sounds pretty good, fishmeal first and most ingredient. enhancing food shouldnt
color your filter, that is just dye. it is supplements the fish turn into color.
Ingrid

"Kodiak" > wrote:

>I'm using Laguna Goldfish pellets, first ingredients are:
>Fishmeal, Soyabean meal, wheat flour,
>rice flour, vitamin A, C, D3, and E supplements,
>and Ethoxyquin preservative agent.
>
>I know this isn't ROMET B but can i do better for my fishies?
>What do you think of that coulour enhancing food? It makes my
>filter media turn red.
>...Kodiak



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.