Eclipse 2 Filtration system

[tootal2]

do i need to use air pump and air stone when using an Eclipse 2 Filtration
system?
thanks


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[SamB]

Only if you want the sight of bubbles. Not necessary for oxygenation or
circulation. With gold fish you will need to rinse the cartridge often.
Make that real often.
SamB

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> do i need to use air pump and air stone when using an Eclipse 2
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yes. air stones move the water from the bottom up and blow off harmful gases in the
water. Ingrid

"tootal2" > wrote:

>do i need to use air pump and air stone when using an Eclipse 2 Filtration
>system?
>thanks



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[tootal2]

rinse off the filter cartridge or the bio-wheel?
thanks

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"SamB" > wrote in message
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> Only if you want the sight of bubbles. Not necessary for oxygenation or
> circulation. With gold fish you will need to rinse the cartridge often.
> Make that real often.
> SamB
>
> "tootal2" > wrote in message
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> > do i need to use air pump and air stone when using an Eclipse 2
> Filtration
> > system?
> > thanks
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[Gunther]

In article >,
says...
> rinse off the filter cartridge or the bio-wheel?
> thanks

The filter cartridge -- leave the biowheel along.
Depending on the size and population of your tank,
you may find that the E2 is a bad design: I think its
ratio of water-flow to filter area is too high.
That will lead to the filter getting clogged up
fairly quickly, as another poster alluded to.
Keep your eye on the dividing wall on the right,
between the cartridge and the biowheel chamber.
When water flows /over/ that wall, it's because
it can't get through the dirty filter, and indicates
it's time to rinse it as best you can.

I find it helps to remove the relatively useless
carbon from new cartridges (via slits on the sides
where the floss is glued down) since it is impossible
to rinse the carbon clean of the gunk it can trap
mechanically.

I've been trying to find the right media in the correct
amount to replace the cartridge entirely, but to no avail
yet. Someone referred to some "low loft quilt batting"
that may be worth trying. It will get just as dirty,
and probably even faster, but it will be cheap to replace.
I'll report back if and when.

Gunther, wishing all a happy Winter Solstice
(or whatever holiday you choose to celebrate)

[SamB]

What Gunther said! :>)
And not to argue with drsolo but the Eclips system draws water from the
bottom of the tank, does more than enough areation on the path through the
cart and the biowheel. As a general rule- don't mess with the wheel. if it
is turning 10 to 20 time a minute it is fine.
SamB
"Gunther" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
> > rinse off the filter cartridge or the bio-wheel?
> > thanks
>
> The filter cartridge -- leave the biowheel along.
> Depending on the size and population of your tank,
> you may find that the E2 is a bad design: I think its
> ratio of water-flow to filter area is too high.
> That will lead to the filter getting clogged up
> fairly quickly, as another poster alluded to.
> Keep your eye on the dividing wall on the right,
> between the cartridge and the biowheel chamber.
> When water flows /over/ that wall, it's because
> it can't get through the dirty filter, and indicates
> it's time to rinse it as best you can.
>
> I find it helps to remove the relatively useless
> carbon from new cartridges (via slits on the sides
> where the floss is glued down) since it is impossible
> to rinse the carbon clean of the gunk it can trap
> mechanically.
>
> I've been trying to find the right media in the correct
> amount to replace the cartridge entirely, but to no avail
> yet. Someone referred to some "low loft quilt batting"
> that may be worth trying. It will get just as dirty,
> and probably even faster, but it will be cheap to replace.
> I'll report back if and when.
>
> Gunther, wishing all a happy Winter Solstice
> (or whatever holiday you choose to celebrate)
>

[tootal2]

Thanks I use to change the filter about every 4 days when it whent over the
wall. I just rinsed the filter that was going over the wall and now its
working fine. how many times can I rinse the filter off?

thanks

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"Gunther" > wrote in message
t...
> In article >,
> says...
> > rinse off the filter cartridge or the bio-wheel?
> > thanks
>
> The filter cartridge -- leave the biowheel along.
> Depending on the size and population of your tank,
> you may find that the E2 is a bad design: I think its
> ratio of water-flow to filter area is too high.
> That will lead to the filter getting clogged up
> fairly quickly, as another poster alluded to.
> Keep your eye on the dividing wall on the right,
> between the cartridge and the biowheel chamber.
> When water flows /over/ that wall, it's because
> it can't get through the dirty filter, and indicates
> it's time to rinse it as best you can.
>
> I find it helps to remove the relatively useless
> carbon from new cartridges (via slits on the sides
> where the floss is glued down) since it is impossible
> to rinse the carbon clean of the gunk it can trap
> mechanically.
>
> I've been trying to find the right media in the correct
> amount to replace the cartridge entirely, but to no avail
> yet. Someone referred to some "low loft quilt batting"
> that may be worth trying. It will get just as dirty,
> and probably even faster, but it will be cheap to replace.
> I'll report back if and when.
>
> Gunther, wishing all a happy Winter Solstice
> (or whatever holiday you choose to celebrate)
>

[MartinOsirus]

>
>The filter cartridge -- leave the biowheel alone
>Depending on the size and population of your tank,
>you may find that the E2 is a bad design: I think its
>ratio of water-flow to filter area is too high.

As long as the biowheel is turning - leave it alone.

>Depending on the size and population of your tank,
>you may find that the E2 is a bad design: I think its
>ratio of water-flow to filter area is too high.

This is absolutely true !!! - It may not move the water fast enough for certain
population of fish and the filter clogs way too fast.
You can use low loft polyester batting(no additives) in place of those
expensive marineland cartridges. This much cheaper and provides a good added
biofilter.

[MartinOsirus]

>the Eclips system draws water from the
>bottom of the tank, does more than enough areation on the path through the
>cart and the biowheel

For goldfish - it is a good idea to supply plenty of aeration -use an airstone
or bubble-wand.

[SamB]

The biowheel is all of the biofiltration necessary, unless you have the tank
way overloaded with fish. Inadequete filtration is not the problem in that
case. Airstones are pretty but NOT necessary since the Eclipse will keep
aeriation levels at near saturation by themselves.
SamB


"MartinOsirus" > wrote in message
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> >the Eclips system draws water from the
> >bottom of the tank, does more than enough areation on the path through
the
> >cart and the biowheel
>
> For goldfish - it is a good idea to supply plenty of aeration -use an
airstone
> or bubble-wand.

[Gunther]

In article >,
says...
> Thanks I use to change the filter about every 4 days when it whent over the
> wall. I just rinsed the filter that was going over the wall and now its
> working fine. how many times can I rinse the filter off?
>

Essentially until it stops helping. As I said, you'll get more
usage if you remove the carbon.
But it's even cheaper just to strip an old cartridge down
to a bare frame and put a bunch of loose batting or floss
over it. For now I'm using a some
floss I bought a bunch of (I'm talking a HUGE amount)
a year or more ago: it's two-layered, blue and white, 1in thick.
Cut to size it works well enough. Sorry I can't give a
manufacturer or product name: it's been too long since
I tossed the bag.
G

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the only advantage the biowheel has is it doesnt need to be cleaned. otherwise it is
an extremely inefficient media for biobug colonies ... for goldfish. trops, sure.
but the surface area of the biowheel is the smallest footprint of all the different
kinds of media, polyester batting and aquarium sponges the highest.
goldfish need twice as much filtration as other fish, and a great deal more aeration.
that spilling over of the waterfall just doesnt do it.
for filtration I use two filters rated for a 50 gallon on a 50 gallon. plus 2 large
airstones one on each side to move the water from the bottom up. with comets,
slender fish with small fins less filtration, less aeration is fine, but fancies need
warmer temps which means less oxygen. really long finned and pearls cannot tolerate
the ammonia they blow off sitting around them for any time at all, one reason they
are often found sitting right next to the big airstones. Ingrid

"SamB" > wrote:
>The biowheel is all of the biofiltration necessary, unless you have the tank
>way overloaded with fish. Inadequete filtration is not the problem in that
>case. Airstones are pretty but NOT necessary since the Eclipse will keep
>aeriation levels at near saturation by themselves.
>SamB


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[MartinOsirus]

>the only advantage the biowheel has is it doesnt need to be cleaned.
>otherwise it is
>an extremely inefficient media for biobug colonies ... for goldfish.
>all the different
>kinds of media, polyester batting and aquarium sponges the highest.
>goldfish need twice as much filtration as other fish, and a great deal more
>aeration.
>that spilling over of the waterfall just doesnt do it.

Boy - isn't that the truth!!

[SamB]

You are not taking into account that the biowheel operates in the air so it
it much more efficient at doing the ammonia and nitrite conversion than a
biomass that is submerged. That submerged biomass also takes oxygen out of
the water; a biowheel does the opposite. Bacteria in the atmosphere for
MUCH higher presence of oxygen and also oxygentes the water as it works.
The wheel material is also extremely porus which makes for a larger area for
the bacteria to grow on. What fiters rated at 50 gallon tank size are you
using (brand).
SamB
> wrote in message
...
> the only advantage the biowheel has is it doesnt need to be cleaned.
otherwise it is
> an extremely inefficient media for biobug colonies ... for goldfish.
trops, sure.
> but the surface area of the biowheel is the smallest footprint of all the
different
> kinds of media, polyester batting and aquarium sponges the highest.
> goldfish need twice as much filtration as other fish, and a great deal
more aeration.
> that spilling over of the waterfall just doesnt do it.
> for filtration I use two filters rated for a 50 gallon on a 50 gallon.
plus 2 large
> airstones one on each side to move the water from the bottom up. with
comets,
> slender fish with small fins less filtration, less aeration is fine, but
fancies need
> warmer temps which means less oxygen. really long finned and pearls
cannot tolerate
> the ammonia they blow off sitting around them for any time at all, one
reason they
> are often found sitting right next to the big airstones. Ingrid
>
> "SamB" > wrote:
> >The biowheel is all of the biofiltration necessary, unless you have the
tank
> >way overloaded with fish. Inadequete filtration is not the problem in
that
> >case. Airstones are pretty but NOT necessary since the Eclipse will keep
> >aeriation levels at near saturation by themselves.
> >SamB
>
>
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well... not really. But it sounds like you are dedicated to biowheels.
I use whisper #3s, I have used aquaclears (I think) but they dont reliably restart,
they dont have a water flow control on them either and are deeper pushing the tank
out from the wall. What I really want are veggie filters on my tanks so the nitrates
get slurped up too. Ingrid

"SamB" > wrote:
>You are not taking into account that the biowheel operates in the air so it
>it much more efficient at doing the ammonia and nitrite conversion than a
>biomass that is submerged. That submerged biomass also takes oxygen out of
>the water; a biowheel does the opposite. Bacteria in the atmosphere for
>MUCH higher presence of oxygen and also oxygentes the water as it works.
>The wheel material is also extremely porus which makes for a larger area for
>the bacteria to grow on. What fiters rated at 50 gallon tank size are you
>using (brand).
>SamB


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endorsements or recommendations I make.

[SamB]

Certainly agree with you on the vegie filters-aka GF food:>) Yep- love the
'wheels'. Too many people mess with them and that is usullay what messes
them up. Work great if left covered and left alone. Haven't seen anything
better for biofiltration. Main reason i don't use the tetra is that a good
filter cleaning replaces the nitrifying biomass. Same with the Aquaclear.
If you never have to do anything to the bacteria colony you are always at or
near 100%. Boy- can you hear the emails coming? :>)
SamB

> wrote in message
...
> well... not really. But it sounds like you are dedicated to biowheels.
> I use whisper #3s, I have used aquaclears (I think) but they dont reliably
restart,
> they dont have a water flow control on them either and are deeper pushing
the tank
> out from the wall. What I really want are veggie filters on my tanks so
the nitrates
> get slurped up too. Ingrid
>
> "SamB" > wrote:
> >You are not taking into account that the biowheel operates in the air so
it
> >it much more efficient at doing the ammonia and nitrite conversion than a
> >biomass that is submerged. That submerged biomass also takes oxygen out
of
> >the water; a biowheel does the opposite. Bacteria in the atmosphere for
> >MUCH higher presence of oxygen and also oxygentes the water as it works.
> >The wheel material is also extremely porus which makes for a larger area
for
> >the bacteria to grow on. What fiters rated at 50 gallon tank size are
you
> >using (brand).
> >SamB
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
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> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.