phoenix tail egg goldfish question

[Rodney]

I just bought a phoenix tail egg goldfish (currently under quarantine) and was wondering what other goldfish breeds are compatible with it? I currently have a couple of very active orandas, one pearlscale, and a ranchu in a 55 gallon tank. The orandas, pearlscale, and ranchu all get along wonderfully.

[LoaderLady]

Are you saying that you have a Phoenix with an egg-shaped body? Not that I know all varieties, but Oranda's and Pearl's are also egg-shaped, so they should get along fine. Aren't Phoenix big and long-bodies, similar to Comet's?

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"Rodney" > wrote in message m...
I just bought a phoenix tail egg goldfish (currently under quarantine) and was wondering what other goldfish breeds are compatible with it? I currently have a couple of very active orandas, one pearlscale, and a ranchu in a 55 gallon tank. The orandas, pearlscale, and ranchu all get along wonderfully.

[Tom La Bron]

Loaderlady,

In Chinese terminology the egg-fish is an egg-shaped bodied fish with no dorsal. The Phoenix designation refers to the a longer caudal fin tail that hangs down. Now in the Chinese point of view the fish that I have described above is usually referred to in Chinese circles as a Dragonfish or Dragonbacked, because the curved slope of the back follows-through to the draping tail. The Dragonfish and Dragonbacked Goldfish are rarely referred to Westerns and the designation Phoenix is usually used. In Japanese terminology this fish is a Shukin. In Western terminology this egg-shaped fish with a longer hanging downward draping tail is just called a Phoenix Goldfish.

Both the Oranda and Pearlscale are not egg-fish or egg-shaped bodied fish, but are usually referenced as Round-bodied or Ball shaped fish.

Rodney, to answer your question; it would probably be more appropriate to put your Phoenix with the Ranchu. If its tail is as long as a Phoenix's should be it will be a slower moving fish. To be a real Phoenix the tail should be at least half to three quarters of the fish's body length.

Tom L.L.
"LoaderLady" > wrote in message ...
Are you saying that you have a Phoenix with an egg-shaped body? Not that I know all varieties, but Oranda's and Pearl's are also egg-shaped, so they should get along fine. Aren't Phoenix big and long-bodies, similar to Comet's?

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"Rodney" > wrote in message m...
I just bought a phoenix tail egg goldfish (currently under quarantine) and was wondering what other goldfish breeds are compatible with it? I currently have a couple of very active orandas, one pearlscale, and a ranchu in a 55 gallon tank. The orandas, pearlscale, and ranchu all get along wonderfully.

[LoaderLady]

Hi Tom.. we seem to bump into each other all over the place. LOL. This is Tammy from the CGFS list.

Anyways, I thought egg-shaped referred to the rounder bodies, or ball shaped as you described? Oranda's have a round body, so I assumed this is classified as "egg shaped". OH, I get it... egg shaped has no dorsal fin! There are so many variables that it's hard to distinguish sometimes. Thanks for pointing that out.

I am going by the FANCY GOLDFISH book, and thought a Phoenix is actually a separate variety, not a tail description. These are the tails which sag right down and seem flat at the top? They actually look like the tail is too heavy for the fish to carry upright... am I right? I have SO much to learn. LOL. I'm glad I have these lists to learn from. Is my book outdated? I have noticed discrepancies in it before.

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"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message ...
Loaderlady,

In Chinese terminology the egg-fish is an egg-shaped bodied fish with no dorsal. The Phoenix designation refers to the a longer caudal fin tail that hangs down. Now in the Chinese point of view the fish that I have described above is usually referred to in Chinese circles as a Dragonfish or Dragonbacked, because the curved slope of the back follows-through to the draping tail. The Dragonfish and Dragonbacked Goldfish are rarely referred to Westerns and the designation Phoenix is usually used. In Japanese terminology this fish is a Shukin. In Western terminology this egg-shaped fish with a longer hanging downward draping tail is just called a Phoenix Goldfish.

Both the Oranda and Pearlscale are not egg-fish or egg-shaped bodied fish, but are usually referenced as Round-bodied or Ball shaped fish.

Rodney, to answer your question; it would probably be more appropriate to put your Phoenix with the Ranchu. If its tail is as long as a Phoenix's should be it will be a slower moving fish. To be a real Phoenix the tail should be at least half to three quarters of the fish's body length.

Tom L.L.
"LoaderLady" > wrote in message ...
Are you saying that you have a Phoenix with an egg-shaped body? Not that I know all varieties, but Oranda's and Pearl's are also egg-shaped, so they should get along fine. Aren't Phoenix big and long-bodies, similar to Comet's?

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"Rodney" > wrote in message m...
I just bought a phoenix tail egg goldfish (currently under quarantine) and was wondering what other goldfish breeds are compatible with it? I currently have a couple of very active orandas, one pearlscale, and a ranchu in a 55 gallon tank. The orandas, pearlscale, and ranchu all get along wonderfully.

[Tom La Bron]

Tammy,

The problem is that in the West we want to have a Ford, a Chevy, a Cadillac, etc. so we have a Phoenix Goldfish, an Oranda, a Ranchu or Lionhead. The Chinese on the other had like Models, so you have the egg-shaped fish and then you have egg-shape with a Phoenix tail, an egg-shaped fish with reversed gills and tigerhead. Kind of like we having a Ford Taurus, or a Ford Crown Victoria.

People seem to think that the Chinese think along the same lines as we do and they don't. Every accessory that a Goldfish constitutes a variety, so this is the reason you will see the number of about 350 varieties of Goldfish when the Chinese are involved. In Chinese eyes a 12 point Demekin is a specific variety while most of use look at it as a color variation of the Demekin Variety. Now there is a little problem with this description because Demekin is a Japanese term for Bubble-eyed Goldfish. In China the Demekin is actually designated as a Dragon-eyed Goldfish. The Chinese are adaptable when is comes to commerce, so they have picked up the term Demekin for export of their Dragon-eyed fish.

Your book is by no way out of date, it just tends toward the Japanese style of naming varieties of fish. When I was in Hong Kong 30 years ago on Goldfish street if you would have asked for a Demekin very few shop keepers would have even know what you are talking about, and so you would have to ask for a Dragon-eye Goldfish and you would get what you wanted.

Tom L.L.
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"LoaderLady" > wrote in message ...
Hi Tom.. we seem to bump into each other all over the place. LOL. This is Tammy from the CGFS list.

Anyways, I thought egg-shaped referred to the rounder bodies, or ball shaped as you described? Oranda's have a round body, so I assumed this is classified as "egg shaped". OH, I get it... egg shaped has no dorsal fin! There are so many variables that it's hard to distinguish sometimes. Thanks for pointing that out.

I am going by the FANCY GOLDFISH book, and thought a Phoenix is actually a separate variety, not a tail description. These are the tails which sag right down and seem flat at the top? They actually look like the tail is too heavy for the fish to carry upright... am I right? I have SO much to learn. LOL. I'm glad I have these lists to learn from. Is my book outdated? I have noticed discrepancies in it before.

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"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message ...
Loaderlady,

In Chinese terminology the egg-fish is an egg-shaped bodied fish with no dorsal. The Phoenix designation refers to the a longer caudal fin tail that hangs down. Now in the Chinese point of view the fish that I have described above is usually referred to in Chinese circles as a Dragonfish or Dragonbacked, because the curved slope of the back follows-through to the draping tail. The Dragonfish and Dragonbacked Goldfish are rarely referred to Westerns and the designation Phoenix is usually used. In Japanese terminology this fish is a Shukin. In Western terminology this egg-shaped fish with a longer hanging downward draping tail is just called a Phoenix Goldfish.

Both the Oranda and Pearlscale are not egg-fish or egg-shaped bodied fish, but are usually referenced as Round-bodied or Ball shaped fish.

Rodney, to answer your question; it would probably be more appropriate to put your Phoenix with the Ranchu. If its tail is as long as a Phoenix's should be it will be a slower moving fish. To be a real Phoenix the tail should be at least half to three quarters of the fish's body length.

Tom L.L.
"LoaderLady" > wrote in message ...
Are you saying that you have a Phoenix with an egg-shaped body? Not that I know all varieties, but Oranda's and Pearl's are also egg-shaped, so they should get along fine. Aren't Phoenix big and long-bodies, similar to Comet's?

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"Rodney" > wrote in message m...
I just bought a phoenix tail egg goldfish (currently under quarantine) and was wondering what other goldfish breeds are compatible with it? I currently have a couple of very active orandas, one pearlscale, and a ranchu in a 55 gallon tank. The orandas, pearlscale, and ranchu all get along wonderfully.