HELP! My fish are bleeding!

[Cate Colgate]

Please help me!

I had 4, 2+ year old comets. A few days ago the smallest one died
mysteriously. I didn't see the fish after it died because my roommate
scooped it out and flushed it so I wouldn't get upset. The others
seemed fine.

Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of
the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot
on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be
missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do.
There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of
the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl.

I pulled the other 2 out and put them in a another tank. The tissues
around the fins of one in particular seems very inflammed.

What's going on? How can I save my poor fish?

HELP!

[Mel]

First thing you should do is to check your water parameters (ammonia,
nitrite and nitrate). If you can't buy the kits yourself, take a sample of
your water to your lfs who will test it for you. Don't take too much notice
of their advice though as they very often don't know what they are talking
about with regards fish health. Write the results down ad post them here and
we'll try to help.
For now I'd do daily partial water changes of 30% using temperature matched
and dechlorinated water. This will improve the water quality and give the
fish a fighting chance.
Mel.


"Cate Colgate" > wrote in message
om...
> Please help me!
>
> I had 4, 2+ year old comets. A few days ago the smallest one died
> mysteriously. I didn't see the fish after it died because my roommate
> scooped it out and flushed it so I wouldn't get upset. The others
> seemed fine.
>
> Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of
> the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot
> on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be
> missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do.
> There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of
> the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl.
>
> I pulled the other 2 out and put them in a another tank. The tissues
> around the fins of one in particular seems very inflammed.
>
> What's going on? How can I save my poor fish?
>
> HELP!

[Gunther]

In article >,
says...
> Please help me!
>

.....
Any other wildlife in the tank with them? Algae eaters or the like?

[Donald Kerns]

Cate Colgate wrote:

> Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of
> the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot
> on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be
> missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do.
> There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of
> the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl.

50% water change with temperature-matched treated water.

Ingrid or Tom may suggest specific meds. I don't go there.

But definately change that water.

If you have a test kit, check ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and get
back to us.

What size tank?
What filtration?
How long running?
Any other critters?
Any new additions?
Any cleaning/painting/staining going on in the room/house?

etc...

-Donald
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

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EMERGENCY
1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
2. do the fish physical http://puregold.aquaria.net/
3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water
4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
if the gills are looking good then run the heat up to 84oF.
I know koi can bleed from the gills from panic when handling. but the spot, missing
scales and blood indicate some kind of wound and/or bacterial infection.
treat the fish topically if/when the fish seems stabilized. be sure to use good
aeration as you increase the temp. Ingrid


(Cate Colgate) wrote:

>Please help me!
>
>I had 4, 2+ year old comets. A few days ago the smallest one died
>mysteriously. I didn't see the fish after it died because my roommate
>scooped it out and flushed it so I wouldn't get upset. The others
>seemed fine.
>
>Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of
>the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot
>on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be
>missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do.
> There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of
>the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl.
>
>I pulled the other 2 out and put them in a another tank. The tissues
>around the fins of one in particular seems very inflammed.
>
>What's going on? How can I save my poor fish?
>
>HELP!



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[Cate Colgate]

"Mel" > wrote in message >...
> First thing you should do is to check your water parameters (ammonia,
> nitrite and nitrate). If you can't buy the kits yourself, take a sample of
> your water to your lfs who will test it for you. Don't take too much notice
> of their advice though as they very often don't know what they are talking
> about with regards fish health. Write the results down ad post them here and
> we'll try to help.
> For now I'd do daily partial water changes of 30% using temperature matched
> and dechlorinated water. This will improve the water quality and give the
> fish a fighting chance.
> Mel.

Thank you for you help! What are "lfs"?

Cate

[Cate Colgate]

Gunther > wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> says...
> > Please help me!
> >
>
> ....
> Any other wildlife in the tank with them? Algae eaters or the like?

Nope. Just the fish.

Cate

[Cate Colgate]

Donald Kerns > wrote in message >...
> Cate Colgate wrote:
>
> > Today, one of my bigger ones is lying on it's side at the bottom of
> > the tank with blood stains around it's gills and fins and a white spot
> > on it's belly surrounded by a bloodstain. The scales seem to be
> > missing in that spot. It's clearly dying and I don't know what to do.
> > There seems to be some blood spots under the scales on other parts of
> > the fish. It's currently isolated in a seperate bowl.
>
> 50% water change with temperature-matched treated water.
>
> Ingrid or Tom may suggest specific meds. I don't go there.
>
> But definately change that water.

I took all of the fish out and put them into temp-matched water
(treated with Genesis water treatment) that I had ready because I was
planning on doing a water change. The 2 healthy ones went into one 2
gal tank, and the dying one went into a seperate one.

>
> If you have a test kit, check ammonia, nitrite, nitrate and pH and get
> back to us.

Ammonia 2.0 after a 70% water change with temp-matched water. I added
Ammonia Lock to the tank.

My ph kit maxes out at 7.6...and my water registered 7.6. I added
some "Ph Down" to the water, but a later test still read the same. A
few hours later I added more...and still got 7.6. I didn't want to
mess with the water anymore...but I did add a tiny sprinkling of
Biozyme (bacteria).

The tank has been empty of fish since Sunday night's water change, but
today I added the two healthy fish. They seem to be very happy and
normal. I hope that they stay that way!

>
> What size tank?

10 gal.

> What filtration?

Top Fin 10 gal filter...the kind that hangs on the side of the tank.

> How long running?

almost 3 years

> Any other critters?

no
> Any new additions?

no

> Any cleaning/painting/staining going on in the room/house?

Uh oh. YES. I just painted that room, and the room next door to it.
I took the fish out while I was painting and put the tank in the
bathroom. I moved them back into the freshly painted room the next
day. The tank was against the freshly painted wall and close to the
opening to the other room that I painted a few days later.

Cate

[Cate Colgate]

wrote in message >...
> EMERGENCY
> 1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates

PH 7.6+ (the max that my kit reads) and ammonia 2.0 after a 70% water
change.

> 2. do the fish physical http://puregold.aquaria.net/

Wow! Great info! Thanks. The sick fish looked like he was just
about dead: he was laying on his side, not moving, yellow instead of
orange, bloody looking gills and blood-red in the spots where the fins
attach to the body (more so in pectoral fins). His body also looked
kind of bloodshot. His tail and fins also looked eaten up. He began
to move around soon after being put into some water that I had set
aside for a water change, and within a few hours his color improved.

I treated his water with Jungle brand Fungus Clear on Sunday. His
gills and fin area look better (but still somewhat inflammed) and the
fuzzy white spot on his belly is now un-fuzzy (but the scales still
look white). His slime coat is still kinda thick (I think).

> 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water

Can I add that with the Fungus Clear?

> 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
> 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
> if the gills are looking good then run the heat up to 84oF.
> I know koi can bleed from the gills from panic when handling. but the spot, missing
> scales and blood indicate some kind of wound and/or bacterial infection.
> treat the fish topically if/when the fish seems stabilized. be sure to use good
> aeration as you increase the temp. Ingrid


Thanks Ingrid!

Cate

[Mel]

Sorry, lfs is an abbreviation for local fish shop.
Mel.

"Cate Colgate" > wrote in message
om...
> "Mel" > wrote in message
>...
> > First thing you should do is to check your water parameters (ammonia,
> > nitrite and nitrate). If you can't buy the kits yourself, take a sample
of
> > your water to your lfs who will test it for you. Don't take too much
notice
> > of their advice though as they very often don't know what they are
talking
> > about with regards fish health. Write the results down ad post them here
and
> > we'll try to help.
> > For now I'd do daily partial water changes of 30% using temperature
matched
> > and dechlorinated water. This will improve the water quality and give
the
> > fish a fighting chance.
> > Mel.
>
> Thank you for you help! What are "lfs"?
>
> Cate

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dont use fungus clear. the fish probably doesnt have fungus.
usually they break out with parasites first, then get bacterial secondary infections.
so with badly damaged fish fresh water and a little bit of salt is all that can be
done. they will make it if they are strong. yes, his slime coat will shred and look
like hell, but he might be cranking out new under the bad.
Ingrid

>
>I treated his water with Jungle brand Fungus Clear on Sunday. His
>gills and fin area look better (but still somewhat inflammed) and the
>fuzzy white spot on his belly is now un-fuzzy (but the scales still
>look white). His slime coat is still kinda thick (I think).
>
>> 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water
>
>Can I add that with the Fungus Clear?
>
>> 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
>> 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
>> if the gills are looking good then run the heat up to 84oF.
>> I know koi can bleed from the gills from panic when handling. but the spot, missing
>> scales and blood indicate some kind of wound and/or bacterial infection.
>> treat the fish topically if/when the fish seems stabilized. be sure to use good
>> aeration as you increase the temp. Ingrid
>
>
>Thanks Ingrid!
>
>Cate



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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.