Is a Garden Hose safe?

[Kodiak]

I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my tanks.
Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard that
some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done any
research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just wasting my
money (boat and camper hose)...

http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4


....Kodiak

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run a bit of water thru it before filling the tanks. usually you can smell something
after the hose has been sitting in the sun. I would say it is a waste of money. but
always have two hoses, one for removing crud, one for filling and done mix em up.
Ingrid

"Kodiak" > wrote:

>I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my tanks.
>Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard that
>some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done any
>research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
>safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just wasting my
>money (boat and camper hose)...
>
>http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
>
>
>...Kodiak
>



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[Tom La Bron]

Kodiak,

I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children snd every
other child that I know and why would you think they are not safe. I fill
my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I will have to
replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of the links are
over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used garden hoses on
the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the filter.

Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook up their
5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.

Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy the special
hose.

Tom L.L.
--------------------------------------
"Kodiak" > wrote in message
...
> I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my tanks.
> Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard that
> some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done any
> research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
> safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just wasting my
> money (boat and camper hose)...
>
> http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
>
>
> ...Kodiak
>
>

[Tom La Bron]

Kodiak,

I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every hose says
not to be used for drinking water.
But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be connected up as
a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law suites. If
there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to fill up
your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or cat's
watering dish or your swimming pool.

I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start filling my
ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in either my kids,
myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that water is
run through it.

Use your own judgment.

Tom L.L.
-----------------------------------------
"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Kodiak,
>
> I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children snd every
> other child that I know and why would you think they are not safe. I fill
> my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I will have
to
> replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of the links
are
> over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used garden hoses
on
> the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the filter.
>
> Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook up their
> 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
>
> Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy the special
> hose.
>
> Tom L.L.
> --------------------------------------
> "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my tanks.
> > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard that
> > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done any
> > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
> > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just wasting my
> > money (boat and camper hose)...
> >
> > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> >
> >
> > ...Kodiak
> >
> >
>
>

[Kodiak]

Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
hose. Can you blame me?
....Kodiak

"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Kodiak,
>
> I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every hose says
> not to be used for drinking water.
> But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be connected up
as
> a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law suites.
If
> there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to fill up
> your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or cat's
> watering dish or your swimming pool.
>
> I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start filling my
> ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in either my kids,
> myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that water is
> run through it.
>
> Use your own judgment.
>
> Tom L.L.
> -----------------------------------------
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kodiak,
> >
> > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children snd
every
> > other child that I know and why would you think they are not safe. I
fill
> > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I will have
> to
> > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of the links
> are
> > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used garden hoses
> on
> > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the filter.
> >
> > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook up
their
> > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> >
> > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy the
special
> > hose.
> >
> > Tom L.L.
> > --------------------------------------
> > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my
tanks.
> > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard that
> > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done any
> > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
> > > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just wasting
my
> > > money (boat and camper hose)...
> > >
> > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> > >
> > >
> > > ...Kodiak
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Tom La Bron]

Kodiak,

Like I said, I have never looked before. To help calm your feelings there
are a couple of times that I have left the hose filling the ponds over the
last 30 years and I have never lost a fish. Of course, the reason I mention
this is because the fish are never affected by Chlorine in the water. I use
a pistol grip head on the hose and have it spraying concially, in the last
pond. The water is then taken to the filter when the water is sprayed
upward in to the lid and before it falls through the filter. These two
conditions beat the chlorine out of the water before it enters the first
pond. So the water is chlorine free and only the water is in the pond and I
am sure if there was something really bad in the water because of the hose
the fish would be dead after experiencing 12 hours of filling water. But I
have never lost a fish when this has happened.

So I will continue to use the garden hose. For siphoning water out of the
ponds I use the two lengths of corregated plastic tubing that is used on
swimming pools.

HTH

Tom L.L.
"Kodiak" > wrote in message
. ..
> Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
> about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
> hose. Can you blame me?
> ...Kodiak
>
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kodiak,
> >
> > I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every hose
says
> > not to be used for drinking water.
> > But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be connected up
> as
> > a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law suites.
> If
> > there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to fill up
> > your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or cat's
> > watering dish or your swimming pool.
> >
> > I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start filling my
> > ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in either my
kids,
> > myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that water
is
> > run through it.
> >
> > Use your own judgment.
> >
> > Tom L.L.
> > -----------------------------------------
> > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Kodiak,
> > >
> > > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children snd
> every
> > > other child that I know and why would you think they are not safe. I
> fill
> > > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I will
have
> > to
> > > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of the
links
> > are
> > > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used garden
hoses
> > on
> > > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the filter.
> > >
> > > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook up
> their
> > > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> > >
> > > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy the
> special
> > > hose.
> > >
> > > Tom L.L.
> > > --------------------------------------
> > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my
> tanks.
> > > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard
that
> > > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done any
> > > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
> > > > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just
wasting
> my
> > > > money (boat and camper hose)...
> > > >
> > > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ...Kodiak
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Kodiak]

OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
(it ain't so bad)

I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
dechloribnator setup you have.
....Kodiak

"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Kodiak,
>
> Like I said, I have never looked before. To help calm your feelings there
> are a couple of times that I have left the hose filling the ponds over the
> last 30 years and I have never lost a fish. Of course, the reason I
mention
> this is because the fish are never affected by Chlorine in the water. I
use
> a pistol grip head on the hose and have it spraying concially, in the last
> pond. The water is then taken to the filter when the water is sprayed
> upward in to the lid and before it falls through the filter. These two
> conditions beat the chlorine out of the water before it enters the first
> pond. So the water is chlorine free and only the water is in the pond and
I
> am sure if there was something really bad in the water because of the hose
> the fish would be dead after experiencing 12 hours of filling water. But
I
> have never lost a fish when this has happened.
>
> So I will continue to use the garden hose. For siphoning water out of the
> ponds I use the two lengths of corregated plastic tubing that is used on
> swimming pools.
>
> HTH
>
> Tom L.L.
> "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
> > about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
> > hose. Can you blame me?
> > ...Kodiak
> >
> > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Kodiak,
> > >
> > > I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every hose
> says
> > > not to be used for drinking water.
> > > But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be connected
up
> > as
> > > a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law
suites.
> > If
> > > there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to fill
up
> > > your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or cat's
> > > watering dish or your swimming pool.
> > >
> > > I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start filling
my
> > > ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in either my
> kids,
> > > myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that water
> is
> > > run through it.
> > >
> > > Use your own judgment.
> > >
> > > Tom L.L.
> > > -----------------------------------------
> > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Kodiak,
> > > >
> > > > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children snd
> > every
> > > > other child that I know and why would you think they are not safe.
I
> > fill
> > > > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I will
> have
> > > to
> > > > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of the
> links
> > > are
> > > > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used garden
> hoses
> > > on
> > > > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the filter.
> > > >
> > > > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook up
> > their
> > > > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> > > >
> > > > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy the
> > special
> > > > hose.
> > > >
> > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up my
> > tanks.
> > > > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard
> that
> > > > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done
any
> > > > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking water
> > > > > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just
> wasting
> > my
> > > > > money (boat and camper hose)...
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ...Kodiak
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

which is easily preventable with a cheap melnor water minder. dial how many gallons
and after that amount of water is delivered, it shuts the hose down.
The problem with "dechlorination by blowing it in the air" is, does it work? It
certainly doesnt if there is chloramines in the water, it doesnt if the city has just
added chloramines. While dead fish is one indication of chlorine toxicity, there are
lesser consequences than death from chlorine poisoning. Ingrid

"Kodiak" > wrote:

>OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
>(it ain't so bad)
>
>I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
>and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
>dechloribnator setup you have.
>...Kodiak


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Kodiak]

OK, here's the scoop on toxic garden hoses....
http://www.swanhose.com/productsafety.html

What do you say Tom?
They got some nice Boat hoses for only 21$ at Aubuchon HW

http://lawn-and-garden.aubuchonhardware.com/hoses_and_sprinklers/garden_hoses/marine_camper_patio_and_pool_hose-701413.asp

....Kodiak



> wrote in message
...
> which is easily preventable with a cheap melnor water minder. dial how
many gallons
> and after that amount of water is delivered, it shuts the hose down.
> The problem with "dechlorination by blowing it in the air" is, does it
work? It
> certainly doesnt if there is chloramines in the water, it doesnt if the
city has just
> added chloramines. While dead fish is one indication of chlorine
toxicity, there are
> lesser consequences than death from chlorine poisoning. Ingrid
>
> "Kodiak" > wrote:
>
> >OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
> >(it ain't so bad)
> >
> >I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
> >and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
> >dechloribnator setup you have.
> >...Kodiak
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Tom La Bron]

Kodiak,

When people have this problem with their garden hoses, forgetting the hose
is running into the pond and they kill all their fish, it is because they
just let the hose run in to the pond with no nozzle on it.

Before start, I will preface the next comments that the water plant for my
area does not use Chloramine, and uses only standard Chlorine treatments.

I also produce Bonsai, and the possible problem with Chlorine hurting the
plants when they watered with the hose came up in the discussion on the
Bonsai listserv that I was on. It was Spring and so I decided that I would
find out, and so I conducted experiments measuring the amount of chlorine
that were still present after using different nozzles and different position
of water spray from pistol grip nozzles and I also tried the water wand with
various attachments.

The results are all published on one of major Bonsai webpages in their
information section. In any event, this is the reason I use a pistol grip
nozzle on the hose end set for a 45 degree umbrella spray.

To answer Ingrid's question, in her message, it does work and works
effectively, but only if the water is not treated with Chloramine.

HTH

Tom L.L.
------------------------------------------------
"Kodiak" > wrote in message
.. .
> OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
> (it ain't so bad)
>
> I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
> and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
> dechloribnator setup you have.
> ...Kodiak
>
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kodiak,
> >
> > Like I said, I have never looked before. To help calm your feelings
there
> > are a couple of times that I have left the hose filling the ponds over
the
> > last 30 years and I have never lost a fish. Of course, the reason I
> mention
> > this is because the fish are never affected by Chlorine in the water. I
> use
> > a pistol grip head on the hose and have it spraying concially, in the
last
> > pond. The water is then taken to the filter when the water is sprayed
> > upward in to the lid and before it falls through the filter. These two
> > conditions beat the chlorine out of the water before it enters the first
> > pond. So the water is chlorine free and only the water is in the pond
and
> I
> > am sure if there was something really bad in the water because of the
hose
> > the fish would be dead after experiencing 12 hours of filling water.
But
> I
> > have never lost a fish when this has happened.
> >
> > So I will continue to use the garden hose. For siphoning water out of
the
> > ponds I use the two lengths of corregated plastic tubing that is used on
> > swimming pools.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Tom L.L.
> > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
> > > about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
> > > hose. Can you blame me?
> > > ...Kodiak
> > >
> > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Kodiak,
> > > >
> > > > I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every hose
> > says
> > > > not to be used for drinking water.
> > > > But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be
connected
> up
> > > as
> > > > a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law
> suites.
> > > If
> > > > there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to
fill
> up
> > > > your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or
cat's
> > > > watering dish or your swimming pool.
> > > >
> > > > I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start
filling
> my
> > > > ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in either my
> > kids,
> > > > myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that
water
> > is
> > > > run through it.
> > > >
> > > > Use your own judgment.
> > > >
> > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children
snd
> > > every
> > > > > other child that I know and why would you think they are not safe.
> I
> > > fill
> > > > > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I
will
> > have
> > > > to
> > > > > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of the
> > links
> > > > are
> > > > > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used garden
> > hoses
> > > > on
> > > > > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the
filter.
> > > > >
> > > > > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook
up
> > > their
> > > > > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy the
> > > special
> > > > > hose.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up
my
> > > tanks.
> > > > > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I heard
> > that
> > > > > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone done
> any
> > > > > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking
water
> > > > > > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just
> > wasting
> > > my
> > > > > > money (boat and camper hose)...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...Kodiak
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Kodiak]

Tom,
You are the Thiosulfateless Dechlorinator King.
Why don't we take your idea, make a plastic contraption out of it,
and sell it at Wally World. We can get Pamela Anderson in a mermaid
outfit to market the product and tell everyone how it will instantly pay
itself off
just in the money you save on dechlorinator.

In your experiment, what did you use to measure before and after Chlorine
levels? I imagine you would need a test kit far more sensitive than the one
used for swimming pools? Do you have any idea what are the safe vs toxic
levels
in ppm?

....Kodiak


"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Kodiak,
>
> When people have this problem with their garden hoses, forgetting the hose
> is running into the pond and they kill all their fish, it is because they
> just let the hose run in to the pond with no nozzle on it.
>
> Before start, I will preface the next comments that the water plant for my
> area does not use Chloramine, and uses only standard Chlorine treatments.
>
> I also produce Bonsai, and the possible problem with Chlorine hurting the
> plants when they watered with the hose came up in the discussion on the
> Bonsai listserv that I was on. It was Spring and so I decided that I
would
> find out, and so I conducted experiments measuring the amount of chlorine
> that were still present after using different nozzles and different
position
> of water spray from pistol grip nozzles and I also tried the water wand
with
> various attachments.
>
> The results are all published on one of major Bonsai webpages in their
> information section. In any event, this is the reason I use a pistol grip
> nozzle on the hose end set for a 45 degree umbrella spray.
>
> To answer Ingrid's question, in her message, it does work and works
> effectively, but only if the water is not treated with Chloramine.
>
> HTH
>
> Tom L.L.
> ------------------------------------------------
> "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
> > (it ain't so bad)
> >
> > I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
> > and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
> > dechloribnator setup you have.
> > ...Kodiak
> >
> > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Kodiak,
> > >
> > > Like I said, I have never looked before. To help calm your feelings
> there
> > > are a couple of times that I have left the hose filling the ponds over
> the
> > > last 30 years and I have never lost a fish. Of course, the reason I
> > mention
> > > this is because the fish are never affected by Chlorine in the water.
I
> > use
> > > a pistol grip head on the hose and have it spraying concially, in the
> last
> > > pond. The water is then taken to the filter when the water is sprayed
> > > upward in to the lid and before it falls through the filter. These
two
> > > conditions beat the chlorine out of the water before it enters the
first
> > > pond. So the water is chlorine free and only the water is in the pond
> and
> > I
> > > am sure if there was something really bad in the water because of the
> hose
> > > the fish would be dead after experiencing 12 hours of filling water.
> But
> > I
> > > have never lost a fish when this has happened.
> > >
> > > So I will continue to use the garden hose. For siphoning water out of
> the
> > > ponds I use the two lengths of corregated plastic tubing that is used
on
> > > swimming pools.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Tom L.L.
> > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > > > Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
> > > > about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
> > > > hose. Can you blame me?
> > > > ...Kodiak
> > > >
> > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > >
> > > > > I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every
hose
> > > says
> > > > > not to be used for drinking water.
> > > > > But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be
> connected
> > up
> > > > as
> > > > > a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law
> > suites.
> > > > If
> > > > > there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to
> fill
> > up
> > > > > your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or
> cat's
> > > > > watering dish or your swimming pool.
> > > > >
> > > > > I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start
> filling
> > my
> > > > > ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in either
my
> > > kids,
> > > > > myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that
> water
> > > is
> > > > > run through it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Use your own judgment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my children
> snd
> > > > every
> > > > > > other child that I know and why would you think they are not
safe.
> > I
> > > > fill
> > > > > > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I
> will
> > > have
> > > > > to
> > > > > > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of
the
> > > links
> > > > > are
> > > > > > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used
garden
> > > hoses
> > > > > on
> > > > > > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the
> filter.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to hook
> up
> > > > their
> > > > > > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy
the
> > > > special
> > > > > > hose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill up
> my
> > > > tanks.
> > > > > > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I
heard
> > > that
> > > > > > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone
done
> > any
> > > > > > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking
> water
> > > > > > > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm just
> > > wasting
> > > > my
> > > > > > > money (boat and camper hose)...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...Kodiak
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

a good source of information is not a company selling the product. while everything
they say is true, they are overstating the "possibility" to sell their product.
consider that you are not using a hose left outside, you are using a garden hose
bought for the purpose. and frankly, run some water thru the hose and almost
everything gets flushed out. all the years my mother used the hose to spray trees
and we never toxed ourselves or even contaminated our well water. Ingrid

"Kodiak" > wrote:

>OK, here's the scoop on toxic garden hoses....
>http://www.swanhose.com/productsafety.html



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Tom La Bron]

Kodiak,

I used a plain Chlorine test kit. It was more expensive than the one that I
use from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (AP), but on the high end the reading were
they same. It measure a little finer than the AP kit, but not by much. I
knew what the chlorine levels were as the water came out of the hose and so
I then test water after it was discharged from the different nozzles.

The thing about Chlorine and water borne animals is that it very toxic to
them, mainly because they are taking up the water through their gills. As
little as 0.05ppm (that is zero-point-zero-five ppm) is deadly to most fish
and when you consider that most water departments put in the equivalent to
0.5ppm to 3ppm in their water you can see tap water is certainly deadly to
fish. The thing that you have to remember is that larger fish are usually
more susceptible than small fish and are affected by small concentrations.

Something else to remember is that Chlorine also kills the nitrifying
bacteria in a biofilter. This means that if you kill off your nitrifying
bacteria with Chlorine you could possibly see a kill off of your fish, not
by Chlorine, but huge nitrite spikes that occur in 3 to 5 days after the
nitrifying bacteria depending on your stocking situation in your tanks or
pond.

Should you have Chloramines in your water, you can still use the tub
technique to get rid of the Chlorine in the Chloramines by using a UV
sterilizer. The UV breaks the bond of the ammonia and Chlorine and the
chlorine is released as a gas. The only to remember is that although the
Chlorine is gone the ammonia remains in the water.

HTH

Oh, by the way, I like the Loni Anderson idea.

Tom L.L.
"Kodiak" > wrote in message
...
> Tom,
> You are the Thiosulfateless Dechlorinator King.
> Why don't we take your idea, make a plastic contraption out of it,
> and sell it at Wally World. We can get Pamela Anderson in a mermaid
> outfit to market the product and tell everyone how it will instantly pay
> itself off
> just in the money you save on dechlorinator.
>
> In your experiment, what did you use to measure before and after Chlorine
> levels? I imagine you would need a test kit far more sensitive than the
one
> used for swimming pools? Do you have any idea what are the safe vs toxic
> levels
> in ppm?
>
> ...Kodiak
>
>
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kodiak,
> >
> > When people have this problem with their garden hoses, forgetting the
hose
> > is running into the pond and they kill all their fish, it is because
they
> > just let the hose run in to the pond with no nozzle on it.
> >
> > Before start, I will preface the next comments that the water plant for
my
> > area does not use Chloramine, and uses only standard Chlorine
treatments.
> >
> > I also produce Bonsai, and the possible problem with Chlorine hurting
the
> > plants when they watered with the hose came up in the discussion on the
> > Bonsai listserv that I was on. It was Spring and so I decided that I
> would
> > find out, and so I conducted experiments measuring the amount of
chlorine
> > that were still present after using different nozzles and different
> position
> > of water spray from pistol grip nozzles and I also tried the water wand
> with
> > various attachments.
> >
> > The results are all published on one of major Bonsai webpages in their
> > information section. In any event, this is the reason I use a pistol
grip
> > nozzle on the hose end set for a 45 degree umbrella spray.
> >
> > To answer Ingrid's question, in her message, it does work and works
> > effectively, but only if the water is not treated with Chloramine.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Tom L.L.
> > ------------------------------------------------
> > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
> > > (it ain't so bad)
> > >
> > > I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
> > > and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
> > > dechloribnator setup you have.
> > > ...Kodiak
> > >
> > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Kodiak,
> > > >
> > > > Like I said, I have never looked before. To help calm your feelings
> > there
> > > > are a couple of times that I have left the hose filling the ponds
over
> > the
> > > > last 30 years and I have never lost a fish. Of course, the reason I
> > > mention
> > > > this is because the fish are never affected by Chlorine in the
water.
> I
> > > use
> > > > a pistol grip head on the hose and have it spraying concially, in
the
> > last
> > > > pond. The water is then taken to the filter when the water is
sprayed
> > > > upward in to the lid and before it falls through the filter. These
> two
> > > > conditions beat the chlorine out of the water before it enters the
> first
> > > > pond. So the water is chlorine free and only the water is in the
pond
> > and
> > > I
> > > > am sure if there was something really bad in the water because of
the
> > hose
> > > > the fish would be dead after experiencing 12 hours of filling water.
> > But
> > > I
> > > > have never lost a fish when this has happened.
> > > >
> > > > So I will continue to use the garden hose. For siphoning water out
of
> > the
> > > > ponds I use the two lengths of corregated plastic tubing that is
used
> on
> > > > swimming pools.
> > > >
> > > > HTH
> > > >
> > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > . ..
> > > > > Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
> > > > > about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
> > > > > hose. Can you blame me?
> > > > > ...Kodiak
> > > > >
> > > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and every
> hose
> > > > says
> > > > > > not to be used for drinking water.
> > > > > > But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be
> > connected
> > > up
> > > > > as
> > > > > > a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for law
> > > suites.
> > > > > If
> > > > > > there was something really wrong with it you could not afford to
> > fill
> > > up
> > > > > > your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's or
> > cat's
> > > > > > watering dish or your swimming pool.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start
> > filling
> > > my
> > > > > > ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in
either
> my
> > > > kids,
> > > > > > myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time that
> > water
> > > > is
> > > > > > run through it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Use your own judgment.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my
children
> > snd
> > > > > every
> > > > > > > other child that I know and why would you think they are not
> safe.
> > > I
> > > > > fill
> > > > > > > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year I
> > will
> > > > have
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some of
> the
> > > > links
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used
> garden
> > > > hoses
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the
> > filter.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to
hook
> > up
> > > > > their
> > > > > > > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always buy
> the
> > > > > special
> > > > > > > hose.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to fill
up
> > my
> > > > > tanks.
> > > > > > > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I
> heard
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone
> done
> > > any
> > > > > > > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade drinking
> > water
> > > > > > > > safe hose and thinking of buying it, but not sure if I'm
just
> > > > wasting
> > > > > my
> > > > > > > > money (boat and camper hose)...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...Kodiak
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Kodiak]

Very informative Tom, never realized such a small concentration (0.05ppm)
can affect fish. I age my water in a 55 gallon vat with a huge airstone
and a heater for at least 24hours before I do my water changes.

Do you think 24hours is enough? (Assuming no Chloramine).

How much UV light watts would you need for Chloramine (55gallon) and how
long
would you run the light?

Do you believe in these Thiosulfate based dechlorinator additives? I use it
but i still age my water first. They claim to work on Chloramines as well.

I like your theory on Nitrobacter killoff, maybe that's why my new tanks
take so long to cycle, when the Nitrite tries to spike on a new tank, i
usually
do heavy water changes every day, but the tank seems to take forever
(up to 8 weeks) to cycle. I do age my water 24hrs, but I also use the
dechlorinator
additives, however, I don't know for sure if that thiosulfate stuff really
works.

Hmm Loni Anderson, you must be an old timer... ...;)

....Kodiak

"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Kodiak,
>
> I used a plain Chlorine test kit. It was more expensive than the one that
I
> use from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (AP), but on the high end the reading
were
> they same. It measure a little finer than the AP kit, but not by much.
I
> knew what the chlorine levels were as the water came out of the hose and
so
> I then test water after it was discharged from the different nozzles.
>
> The thing about Chlorine and water borne animals is that it very toxic to
> them, mainly because they are taking up the water through their gills. As
> little as 0.05ppm (that is zero-point-zero-five ppm) is deadly to most
fish
> and when you consider that most water departments put in the equivalent to
> 0.5ppm to 3ppm in their water you can see tap water is certainly deadly to
> fish. The thing that you have to remember is that larger fish are usually
> more susceptible than small fish and are affected by small concentrations.
>
> Something else to remember is that Chlorine also kills the nitrifying
> bacteria in a biofilter. This means that if you kill off your nitrifying
> bacteria with Chlorine you could possibly see a kill off of your fish, not
> by Chlorine, but huge nitrite spikes that occur in 3 to 5 days after the
> nitrifying bacteria depending on your stocking situation in your tanks or
> pond.
>
> Should you have Chloramines in your water, you can still use the tub
> technique to get rid of the Chlorine in the Chloramines by using a UV
> sterilizer. The UV breaks the bond of the ammonia and Chlorine and the
> chlorine is released as a gas. The only to remember is that although the
> Chlorine is gone the ammonia remains in the water.
>
> HTH
>
> Oh, by the way, I like the Loni Anderson idea.
>
> Tom L.L.
> "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tom,
> > You are the Thiosulfateless Dechlorinator King.
> > Why don't we take your idea, make a plastic contraption out of it,
> > and sell it at Wally World. We can get Pamela Anderson in a mermaid
> > outfit to market the product and tell everyone how it will instantly pay
> > itself off
> > just in the money you save on dechlorinator.
> >
> > In your experiment, what did you use to measure before and after
Chlorine
> > levels? I imagine you would need a test kit far more sensitive than the
> one
> > used for swimming pools? Do you have any idea what are the safe vs toxic
> > levels
> > in ppm?
> >
> > ...Kodiak
> >
> >
> > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Kodiak,
> > >
> > > When people have this problem with their garden hoses, forgetting the
> hose
> > > is running into the pond and they kill all their fish, it is because
> they
> > > just let the hose run in to the pond with no nozzle on it.
> > >
> > > Before start, I will preface the next comments that the water plant
for
> my
> > > area does not use Chloramine, and uses only standard Chlorine
> treatments.
> > >
> > > I also produce Bonsai, and the possible problem with Chlorine hurting
> the
> > > plants when they watered with the hose came up in the discussion on
the
> > > Bonsai listserv that I was on. It was Spring and so I decided that I
> > would
> > > find out, and so I conducted experiments measuring the amount of
> chlorine
> > > that were still present after using different nozzles and different
> > position
> > > of water spray from pistol grip nozzles and I also tried the water
wand
> > with
> > > various attachments.
> > >
> > > The results are all published on one of major Bonsai webpages in their
> > > information section. In any event, this is the reason I use a pistol
> grip
> > > nozzle on the hose end set for a 45 degree umbrella spray.
> > >
> > > To answer Ingrid's question, in her message, it does work and works
> > > effectively, but only if the water is not treated with Chloramine.
> > >
> > > HTH
> > >
> > > Tom L.L.
> > > ------------------------------------------------
> > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > .. .
> > > > OK thanks, I feel better about my hose now... ...;)
> > > > (it ain't so bad)
> > > >
> > > > I did see a post about a guy who forgot his hose on all night
> > > > and killed his whole pond. Although he didn't have the same
> > > > dechloribnator setup you have.
> > > > ...Kodiak
> > > >
> > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > >
> > > > > Like I said, I have never looked before. To help calm your
feelings
> > > there
> > > > > are a couple of times that I have left the hose filling the ponds
> over
> > > the
> > > > > last 30 years and I have never lost a fish. Of course, the reason
I
> > > > mention
> > > > > this is because the fish are never affected by Chlorine in the
> water.
> > I
> > > > use
> > > > > a pistol grip head on the hose and have it spraying concially, in
> the
> > > last
> > > > > pond. The water is then taken to the filter when the water is
> sprayed
> > > > > upward in to the lid and before it falls through the filter.
These
> > two
> > > > > conditions beat the chlorine out of the water before it enters the
> > first
> > > > > pond. So the water is chlorine free and only the water is in the
> pond
> > > and
> > > > I
> > > > > am sure if there was something really bad in the water because of
> the
> > > hose
> > > > > the fish would be dead after experiencing 12 hours of filling
water.
> > > But
> > > > I
> > > > > have never lost a fish when this has happened.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I will continue to use the garden hose. For siphoning water
out
> of
> > > the
> > > > > ponds I use the two lengths of corregated plastic tubing that is
> used
> > on
> > > > > swimming pools.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > > . ..
> > > > > > Yeah i let the water run too, just a bit paranoid
> > > > > > about all this "no drinking" disclaimers on the regular
> > > > > > hose. Can you blame me?
> > > > > > ...Kodiak
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I stand corrected. I just came back from Wally-World and
every
> > hose
> > > > > says
> > > > > > > not to be used for drinking water.
> > > > > > > But personally, I think what they mean is that it is not be
> > > connected
> > > > up
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > a permanent drinking water connection to cover their six for
law
> > > > suites.
> > > > > > If
> > > > > > > there was something really wrong with it you could not afford
to
> > > fill
> > > > up
> > > > > > > your baby's wading pool with it or use it to fill your dog's
or
> > > cat's
> > > > > > > watering dish or your swimming pool.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I always let it run for a bit before I drink from it or start
> > > filling
> > > > my
> > > > > > > ponds, and I have never any any adverse affects show up in
> either
> > my
> > > > > kids,
> > > > > > > myself or my wife and any of the animals for the brief time
that
> > > water
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > run through it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Use your own judgment.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > > > -----------------------------------------
> > > > > > > "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Kodiak,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have drank from garden hoses for decades, so have my
> children
> > > snd
> > > > > > every
> > > > > > > > other child that I know and why would you think they are not
> > safe.
> > > > I
> > > > > > fill
> > > > > > > > my ponds with garden hoses all the time. In fact, this year
I
> > > will
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > replace some of the 200 feet of garden hose that I for some
of
> > the
> > > > > links
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > over 20 years old and starting to split. For awhile I used
> > garden
> > > > > hoses
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the return of my submersible pumps pumping the water to the
> > > filter.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Everyone that I know that goes camping uses garden hoses to
> hook
> > > up
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > > > 5th wheels or motorhomes to the water source.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Of course, if you see some problem with it you can always
buy
> > the
> > > > > > special
> > > > > > > > hose.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Tom L.L.
> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------
> > > > > > > > "Kodiak" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > I use a 3/4" rubber reinforced flexible garden hose to
fill
> up
> > > my
> > > > > > tanks.
> > > > > > > > > Do you think the rubber lining may be toxic to the fish? I
> > heard
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > some of these hoses are not safe to drink from. Has anyone
> > done
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > > research? Saw this nice FDA approved medical grade
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> just
> > > > > wasting
> > > > > > my
> > > > > > > > > money (boat and camper hose)...
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> > > > > > > > > http://www.coloriteplastics.com/slct_b.htm#group4
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[Tom La Bron]

Kodiak,

In Aquaculture animals are tested for reaction to substances and the results
are recorded as ppm at one liter / 96 hours. Aquatic creatures are much
more susceptible to Chlorine than most mammals because of the way that take
up oxygen.

I have aged my water in tubs for years, and when I started I tested the
water from the tap and then put an airstone into the water. In my area the
Chlorine was gone or unreadable in 12 hours. I have never really used
heaters for Goldfish, for the airstone in my case has always been enough.
So you need to check the water coming from your tap and then test after 12
hours if it is still there you need to test it again after 24 hours.
Chances are it will be gone in 24.

I have never had to deal with Chloramine, but I know that the UV does work
Depending on the wattage I imagine that if you circulate the water through
the UV in 12 hours the chlorine would probably be gone. The UV breaks the
chemical bond between the ammonia and Chlorine very quickly. The thing that
you have to remember is that the ammonia will still be present. Here again
you would have to test before and after at certain times to make sure.

As far as the thiosulfate additives go, I do know that they work and I have
used them off and on and I keep one handy just in case I am caught short of
conditioned water and the ones that treat Chloramine bind the ammonia in
some way, but here again I don't need it so I have never had to worry about
it.

I have never understood why people have such a hard time with cycling tanks
and ponds. The longest I have had to deal with it is about 2 weeks. One
thing that I have found that helps in cycling a tank is lots of air. When I
set up a tank I run it with the filter and three airstones running 24 hours
and then I add my fish. When adding fish I adhere to the 1 fish per 10
gallons of water, Rule of Thumb and I feed them once a day for a week and
then feed them more offend as necessary. In any event, the tank is cycled
in about two weeks, sometimes in 10 days. If you are aging your water I
certainly would not have any reason to add a thiosulfate compound. My tanks
and ponds run around 8.2 pH with a KH between 80-120ppm. Nitrification also
takes place at higher temperatures, but this impractical in ponds, but it
does take large additions of oxygen which is why I initially increase the
number of airstones in my tanks and pond. Once the cycle has been
established I take one airstone out and a week later the other airstone
leaving only one airstone working at all times.

Old timer huh, I can remember when Loni Anderson married Burt Reynolds.

HTH

Tom L.L.
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"Kodiak" > wrote in message
. ..
> Very informative Tom, never realized such a small concentration (0.05ppm)
> can affect fish. I age my water in a 55 gallon vat with a huge airstone
> and a heater for at least 24hours before I do my water changes.
>
> Do you think 24hours is enough? (Assuming no Chloramine).
>
> How much UV light watts would you need for Chloramine (55gallon) and how
> long
> would you run the light?
>
> Do you believe in these Thiosulfate based dechlorinator additives? I use
it
> but i still age my water first. They claim to work on Chloramines as well.
>
> I like your theory on Nitrobacter killoff, maybe that's why my new tanks
> take so long to cycle, when the Nitrite tries to spike on a new tank, i
> usually
> do heavy water changes every day, but the tank seems to take forever
> (up to 8 weeks) to cycle. I do age my water 24hrs, but I also use the
> dechlorinator
> additives, however, I don't know for sure if that thiosulfate stuff really
> works.
>
> Hmm Loni Anderson, you must be an old timer... ...;)
>
> ...Kodiak
>
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Kodiak,
> >
> > I used a plain Chlorine test kit. It was more expensive than the one
that
> I
> > use from Aquarium Pharmaceuticals (AP), but on the high end the reading
> were
> > they same. It measure a little finer than the AP kit, but not by much.
> I
> > knew what the chlorine levels were as the water came out of the hose and
> so
> > I then test water after it was discharged from the different nozzles.
> >
> > The thing about Chlorine and water borne animals is that it very toxic
to
> > them, mainly because they are taking up the water through their gills.
As
> > little as 0.05ppm (that is zero-point-zero-five ppm) is deadly to most
> fish
> > and when you consider that most water departments put in the equivalent
to
> > 0.5ppm to 3ppm in their water you can see tap water is certainly deadly
to
> > fish. The thing that you have to remember is that larger fish are
usually
> > more susceptible than small fish and are affected by small
concentrations.
> >
> > Something else to remember is that Chlorine also kills the nitrifying
> > bacteria in a biofilter. This means that if you kill off your
nitrifying
> > bacteria with Chlorine you could possibly see a kill off of your fish,
not
> > by Chlorine, but huge nitrite spikes that occur in 3 to 5 days after the
> > nitrifying bacteria depending on your stocking situation in your tanks
or
> > pond.
> >
> > Should you have Chloramines in your water, you can still use the tub
> > technique to get rid of the Chlorine in the Chloramines by using a UV
> > sterilizer. The UV breaks the bond of the ammonia and Chlorine and the
> > chlorine is released as a gas. The only to remember is that although
the
> > Chlorine is gone the ammonia remains in the water.
> >
> > HTH
> >
> > Oh, by the way, I like the Loni Anderson idea.
> >
> > Tom L.L.