help! - Dr. Solo- new goldfish headstanding

[MartinOsirus]

Hi - I have a 2 1/2 inch calico ryunkin bought 1 week ago at pet shop. Placed
in a new 50 g tank cycled with biospira 1 week ago.Only resident in tank. Tank
overfiltered with aquaclear 500 and 300. Bare bottom. 2 bubblewands plus
powerhead - plenty of airation.
Fish has been fine till today - has been head standing in corner all day. Fish
physical shows abdomen normal, no swelling and firm. Feed wardley sinking
pellets 2 twice daily.
Added salt 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons. Did a 20 % water change today - still head
standing. What could this be ? If intestinal worms - what is treatment?
Thanks.
Ira

[esq.]

>Hi - I have a 2 1/2 inch calico ryunkin bought 1 week ago at pet shop. Placed
>in a new 50 g tank cycled with biospira 1 week ago.Only resident in tank.

Since Dr.Solo isn't responding I'll start you off then she can try.
Do you mean you added a fish and cycle media at the same time? If so, one
little fish won't produce enough ammonia in a large tank and the cycle process
may take time and the fish is going through it. Ryukins can have a deep belly,
does yours?

>Tank
>overfiltered with aquaclear 500 and 300. Bare bottom. 2 bubblewands plus
>powerhead - plenty of airation.

Too much, turn one off, it's a small fish.

>Fish has been fine till today - has been head standing in corner all day.
>Fish
>physical shows abdomen normal, no swelling and firm. Feed wardley sinking
>pellets 2 twice daily.
>Added salt 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons. Did a 20 % water change today - still
>head
>standing. What could this be ? If intestinal worms - what is treatment?
>Thanks.
>Ira
It could be pushed into the corner from the filters.
What is the temperature of the water? What is the hardness, pH etc.? What
experience do you have prior to the new fish?

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sorry your fish died. small fish have a harder time making it, especially those from
pet stores that dont quarantine fish before selling. intestinal worms are extremely
rare. Ingrid

(MartinOsirus) wrote:

>Hi - I have a 2 1/2 inch calico ryunkin bought 1 week ago at pet shop. Placed
>in a new 50 g tank cycled with biospira 1 week ago.Only resident in tank. Tank
>overfiltered with aquaclear 500 and 300. Bare bottom. 2 bubblewands plus
>powerhead - plenty of airation.
>Fish has been fine till today - has been head standing in corner all day. Fish
>physical shows abdomen normal, no swelling and firm. Feed wardley sinking
>pellets 2 twice daily.
>Added salt 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons. Did a 20 % water change today - still head
>standing. What could this be ? If intestinal worms - what is treatment?
>Thanks.
>Ira



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[esq.]

>sorry your fish died.

What did I miss, Ira?

[MartinOsirus]

>>sorry your fish died.
>
>What did I miss,

Thanks for the condolences Ingrid, JoAnn
tried to help on this too - really unclear why fish died but she thinks likely
a bacterial or viral infection. Gills were not bright cherry red but
orange-red.
2 1/2 inch ryunkin gotten from pet shop;swimming great for 5 days; in
overfiltered 50 gal bare bottom tank by self; lots of airation; temp may have
been a little high 81 degrees. Water parameters normal - Fed 2 wardly pellets
twice daily; Fish started suddenly head standing in corner; I lowered temp to
79 and fish started moving around more; later - fish started floating upside
down. Fish physical normal except for gills - added salt 1 tablespoon per
gallon - no change - did a salt dip - no change -added spectrogram antibiotic
to water- next am fish died. (I didn't have antibiotic food)

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they come into pet stores from over seas packed hundreds to thousands per box
completely toxed out .. often 1/2 to the entire box will be dead. it takes at least
a month to recover from shipment and there are "stages" to quarantine and recovery
outlined in http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care.htm based on Jo Ann's
experience.
one way around this is finding breeders in the US or finding somebody imports and
does the quarantine for a month. pet stores usually dont have the facility or
ability to do this. Ingrid

(MartinOsirus) wrote:

>>>sorry your fish died.
>>
>>What did I miss,
>
>Thanks for the condolences Ingrid, JoAnn
>tried to help on this too - really unclear why fish died but she thinks likely
>a bacterial or viral infection. Gills were not bright cherry red but
>orange-red.
>2 1/2 inch ryunkin gotten from pet shop;swimming great for 5 days; in
>overfiltered 50 gal bare bottom tank by self; lots of airation; temp may have
>been a little high 81 degrees. Water parameters normal - Fed 2 wardly pellets
>twice daily; Fish started suddenly head standing in corner; I lowered temp to
>79 and fish started moving around more; later - fish started floating upside
>down. Fish physical normal except for gills - added salt 1 tablespoon per
>gallon - no change - did a salt dip - no change -added spectrogram antibiotic
>to water- next am fish died. (I didn't have antibiotic food)



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www.drsolo.com
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[MartinOsirus]

there are "stages" to quarantine and recovery
>outlined in http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care.htm based on Jo Ann's
>experience.

I read this and it appears JoAnn recommends routine use of salt dip and quick
cure for new goldfish. Is this true?
Reason I ask - is because I am expecting 6 new fish ordered from
Goldfish-express and are coming from Hong Kong. I don't think they quarantine
them. Ordinarily - I wouldn't use quick cure or salt dip unless a clear problem
- or should they be used prophylactically?

[MartinOsirus]

forgot to ask also - about 2 weeks of antibiotic food as a routine for new
fish???

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salt dip only, nothing else for 3-4 days see what pops up. As Jo Ann has already
answered I will let it go at that. Ingrid

(MartinOsirus) wrote:

> there are "stages" to quarantine and recovery
>>outlined in http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care.htm based on Jo Ann's
>>experience.
>
>I read this and it appears JoAnn recommends routine use of salt dip and quick
>cure for new goldfish. Is this true?
>Reason I ask - is because I am expecting 6 new fish ordered from
>Goldfish-express and are coming from Hong Kong. I don't think they quarantine
>them. Ordinarily - I wouldn't use quick cure or salt dip unless a clear problem
>- or should they be used prophylactically?



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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
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