Ok, I'm hooked

[nativelaw]

Never had fish as a child except a series of "Goldie"s won from fairs, that
lived in small bowls for the few weeks the poor things could make it. I
always thought it was a matter of willpower for those that lived longest
(and I guess it was; I wasn't doing them any favors.) In two short months
now of learning the better way, I'm really enjoying my Orandas. I now have
added a 20gal tank (two fish) to the master bedroom in addition to the 10gal
in my daughter's room.

My daughter's tank (standard rectangular 10g) had one red and white Oranda
(Nemo) who's about 2" long excluding tailfin. I know that you're not
supposed to put more than one gfish in there, but a 20gal tank is too big
for her room and Nemo seemed lonely. I have broken down and added a small
(1") red cap Oranda. So far the two are getting along swimmingly (it's just
been a few days.). The tank has a heater, a 6" air stone and I have added a
bit of aquarium salt (just under .08%) to ease stress. If I am faithful
with watching nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, doing water changes, I am hoping they
will be okay for a while. Any other suggestions (besides get a bigger tank)
I'm glad to hear.

Also, if there is another kind of fish, smaller, that would make a better
companion, we have a 30 gal tank coming in a couple of months that I'm
buying from my sister in law that I was going to use for tropicals -- can
you ever mix tropical and goldfish in one tank?

I'm sure this could vary greatly but any wild guess how old the average 1"
or 2" petstore Oranda might be? Also I assume when people speak of
measurements they are customarily speaking of body length and not any tail
fins?

Thanks much,
Andrea

[Kay]

nativelaw wrote:

> Never had fish as a child except a series of "Goldie"s won from fairs, that
> lived in small bowls for the few weeks the poor things could make it. I
> always thought it was a matter of willpower for those that lived longest
> (and I guess it was; I wasn't doing them any favors.) In two short months
> now of learning the better way, I'm really enjoying my Orandas. I now have
> added a 20gal tank (two fish) to the master bedroom in addition to the 10gal
> in my daughter's room.
>
> My daughter's tank (standard rectangular 10g) had one red and white Oranda
> (Nemo) who's about 2" long excluding tailfin. I know that you're not
> supposed to put more than one gfish in there, but a 20gal tank is too big
> for her room and Nemo seemed lonely. I have broken down and added a small
> (1") red cap Oranda. So far the two are getting along swimmingly (it's just
> been a few days.). The tank has a heater, a 6" air stone and I have added a
> bit of aquarium salt (just under .08%) to ease stress. If I am faithful
> with watching nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, doing water changes, I am hoping they
> will be okay for a while. Any other suggestions (besides get a bigger tank)
> I'm glad to hear.
>
> Also, if there is another kind of fish, smaller, that would make a better
> companion, we have a 30 gal tank coming in a couple of months that I'm
> buying from my sister in law that I was going to use for tropicals -- can
> you ever mix tropical and goldfish in one tank?
>
> I'm sure this could vary greatly but any wild guess how old the average 1"
> or 2" petstore Oranda might be? Also I assume when people speak of
> measurements they are customarily speaking of body length and not any tail
> fins?
>
> Thanks much,
> Andrea
>
>
Your not going to want to hear this but that 10 gallon will not be big
enough for 2 goldfish. Sometime down the line it will be thier demise.
One sugestion would be cycle the 30 gallion tank and switch the 2
goldfish to that one and make a small tropical tank with the 10 gallon.
there are amny setups a 10 gallon can be with tropicals. so many small
fish to choose from.

Kay

[axemanchris]

"Kay" > wrote in message
news:zpRVb.131092$U%5.612495@attbi_s03...
> nativelaw wrote:
>
> > Never had fish as a child except a series of "Goldie"s won from fairs,
that
> > lived in small bowls for the few weeks the poor things could make it. I
> > always thought it was a matter of willpower for those that lived longest
> > (and I guess it was; I wasn't doing them any favors.) In two short
months
> > now of learning the better way, I'm really enjoying my Orandas. I now
have
> > added a 20gal tank (two fish) to the master bedroom in addition to the
10gal
> > in my daughter's room.
> >
> > My daughter's tank (standard rectangular 10g) had one red and white
Oranda
> > (Nemo) who's about 2" long excluding tailfin. I know that you're not
> > supposed to put more than one gfish in there, but a 20gal tank is too
big
> > for her room and Nemo seemed lonely. I have broken down and added a
small
> > (1") red cap Oranda. So far the two are getting along swimmingly (it's
just
> > been a few days.). The tank has a heater, a 6" air stone and I have
added a
> > bit of aquarium salt (just under .08%) to ease stress. If I am faithful
> > with watching nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, doing water changes, I am hoping
they
> > will be okay for a while. Any other suggestions (besides get a bigger
tank)
> > I'm glad to hear.
> >
> > Also, if there is another kind of fish, smaller, that would make a
better
> > companion, we have a 30 gal tank coming in a couple of months that I'm
> > buying from my sister in law that I was going to use for tropicals --
can
> > you ever mix tropical and goldfish in one tank?
> >
> > I'm sure this could vary greatly but any wild guess how old the average
1"
> > or 2" petstore Oranda might be? Also I assume when people speak of
> > measurements they are customarily speaking of body length and not any
tail
> > fins?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> Your not going to want to hear this but that 10 gallon will not be big
> enough for 2 goldfish. Sometime down the line it will be thier demise.
> One sugestion would be cycle the 30 gallion tank and switch the 2
> goldfish to that one and make a small tropical tank with the 10 gallon.
> there are amny setups a 10 gallon can be with tropicals. so many small
> fish to choose from.
>
> Kay

That would be my suggestion too. Put the orandas in the 30 gal. (that way
you can get one more!!!) and make the 10 gal. a tropical set up. Even a
single betta would look lovely in a 10 gal.

Jacqui
>

[nativelaw]

"Kay" > wrote in message
news:zpRVb.131092$U%5.612495@attbi_s03...
> nativelaw wrote:
>
> > Never had fish as a child except a series of "Goldie"s won from fairs,
that
> > lived in small bowls for the few weeks the poor things could make it. I
> > always thought it was a matter of willpower for those that lived longest
> > (and I guess it was; I wasn't doing them any favors.) In two short
months
> > now of learning the better way, I'm really enjoying my Orandas. I now
have
> > added a 20gal tank (two fish) to the master bedroom in addition to the
10gal
> > in my daughter's room.
> >
> > My daughter's tank (standard rectangular 10g) had one red and white
Oranda
> > (Nemo) who's about 2" long excluding tailfin. I know that you're not
> > supposed to put more than one gfish in there, but a 20gal tank is too
big
> > for her room and Nemo seemed lonely. I have broken down and added a
small
> > (1") red cap Oranda. So far the two are getting along swimmingly (it's
just
> > been a few days.). The tank has a heater, a 6" air stone and I have
added a
> > bit of aquarium salt (just under .08%) to ease stress. If I am faithful
> > with watching nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, doing water changes, I am hoping
they
> > will be okay for a while. Any other suggestions (besides get a bigger
tank)
> > I'm glad to hear.
> >
> > Also, if there is another kind of fish, smaller, that would make a
better
> > companion, we have a 30 gal tank coming in a couple of months that I'm
> > buying from my sister in law that I was going to use for tropicals --
can
> > you ever mix tropical and goldfish in one tank?
> >
> > I'm sure this could vary greatly but any wild guess how old the average
1"
> > or 2" petstore Oranda might be? Also I assume when people speak of
> > measurements they are customarily speaking of body length and not any
tail
> > fins?
> >
> > Thanks much,
> > Andrea
> >
> >
> Your not going to want to hear this but that 10 gallon will not be big
> enough for 2 goldfish. Sometime down the line it will be thier demise.
> One sugestion would be cycle the 30 gallion tank and switch the 2
> goldfish to that one and make a small tropical tank with the 10 gallon.
> there are amny setups a 10 gallon can be with tropicals. so many small
> fish to choose from.
>
> Kay

Hi Kay,

Yes, I'm figuring I'm not going to be able to keep the fish that way for too
long (I read that Orandas can reach 12" long!) But I'm wondering how fast
these fish grow? If the two can stay together for a few months without
doing them harm I can do just what you suggest. Would even six months
together be a terrible strain for them if I keep them free of the N words?

Given the family's love of pets, I probably will end up with the 10 gal tank
as not much of anything but a quarantine/water change tank and upgrade all
of them. I'm just trying to get a sense of how long they could endure
healthfully in that space -- is the problem that you'll have to change water
so often to keep it clean that the stress of the changes gets to them? Do
they tend to develop diseases due to stress weakening immunity, etc.?

Thanks again,
Andrea

[nativelaw]

"axemanchris" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Kay" > wrote in message
> news:zpRVb.131092$U%5.612495@attbi_s03...
> > nativelaw wrote:
> >
> > > Never had fish as a child except a series of "Goldie"s won from fairs,
> that
> > > lived in small bowls for the few weeks the poor things could make it.
I
> > > always thought it was a matter of willpower for those that lived
longest
> > > (and I guess it was; I wasn't doing them any favors.) In two short
> months
> > > now of learning the better way, I'm really enjoying my Orandas. I now
> have
> > > added a 20gal tank (two fish) to the master bedroom in addition to the
> 10gal
> > > in my daughter's room.
> > >
> > > My daughter's tank (standard rectangular 10g) had one red and white
> Oranda
> > > (Nemo) who's about 2" long excluding tailfin. I know that you're not
> > > supposed to put more than one gfish in there, but a 20gal tank is too
> big
> > > for her room and Nemo seemed lonely. I have broken down and added a
> small
> > > (1") red cap Oranda. So far the two are getting along swimmingly
(it's
> just
> > > been a few days.). The tank has a heater, a 6" air stone and I have
> added a
> > > bit of aquarium salt (just under .08%) to ease stress. If I am
faithful
> > > with watching nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, doing water changes, I am
hoping
> they
> > > will be okay for a while. Any other suggestions (besides get a bigger
> tank)
> > > I'm glad to hear.
> > >
> > > Also, if there is another kind of fish, smaller, that would make a
> better
> > > companion, we have a 30 gal tank coming in a couple of months that I'm
> > > buying from my sister in law that I was going to use for tropicals --
> can
> > > you ever mix tropical and goldfish in one tank?
> > >
> > > I'm sure this could vary greatly but any wild guess how old the
average
> 1"
> > > or 2" petstore Oranda might be? Also I assume when people speak of
> > > measurements they are customarily speaking of body length and not any
> tail
> > > fins?
> > >
> > > Thanks much,
> > > Andrea
> > >
> > >
> > Your not going to want to hear this but that 10 gallon will not be big
> > enough for 2 goldfish. Sometime down the line it will be thier demise.
> > One sugestion would be cycle the 30 gallion tank and switch the 2
> > goldfish to that one and make a small tropical tank with the 10 gallon.
> > there are amny setups a 10 gallon can be with tropicals. so many small
> > fish to choose from.
> >
> > Kay
>
> That would be my suggestion too. Put the orandas in the 30 gal. (that way
> you can get one more!!!) and make the 10 gal. a tropical set up. Even a
> single betta would look lovely in a 10 gal.
>
> Jacqui

Thanks, Jacqui.

Bettas... now that's interesting. I see the poor things sitting in these
solitary cups in the pet store in about a quarter's worth of water... I
thought that was cruel and unusual punishment. Don't know anything about
them, but now I'll go and look them up : ).

[Kay]

nativelaw wrote:
> "Kay" > wrote in message
> news:zpRVb.131092$U%5.612495@attbi_s03...
>
>>nativelaw wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Never had fish as a child except a series of "Goldie"s won from fairs,
>
> that
>
>>>lived in small bowls for the few weeks the poor things could make it. I
>>>always thought it was a matter of willpower for those that lived longest
>>>(and I guess it was; I wasn't doing them any favors.) In two short
>
> months
>
>>>now of learning the better way, I'm really enjoying my Orandas. I now
>
> have
>
>>>added a 20gal tank (two fish) to the master bedroom in addition to the
>
> 10gal
>
>>>in my daughter's room.
>>>
>>>My daughter's tank (standard rectangular 10g) had one red and white
>
> Oranda
>
>>>(Nemo) who's about 2" long excluding tailfin. I know that you're not
>>>supposed to put more than one gfish in there, but a 20gal tank is too
>
> big
>
>>>for her room and Nemo seemed lonely. I have broken down and added a
>
> small
>
>>>(1") red cap Oranda. So far the two are getting along swimmingly (it's
>
> just
>
>>>been a few days.). The tank has a heater, a 6" air stone and I have
>
> added a
>
>>>bit of aquarium salt (just under .08%) to ease stress. If I am faithful
>>>with watching nitrite/nitrate/ammonia, doing water changes, I am hoping
>
> they
>
>>>will be okay for a while. Any other suggestions (besides get a bigger
>
> tank)
>
>>>I'm glad to hear.
>>>
>>>Also, if there is another kind of fish, smaller, that would make a
>
> better
>
>>>companion, we have a 30 gal tank coming in a couple of months that I'm
>>>buying from my sister in law that I was going to use for tropicals --
>
> can
>
>>>you ever mix tropical and goldfish in one tank?
>>>
>>>I'm sure this could vary greatly but any wild guess how old the average
>
> 1"
>
>>>or 2" petstore Oranda might be? Also I assume when people speak of
>>>measurements they are customarily speaking of body length and not any
>
> tail
>
>>>fins?
>>>
>>>Thanks much,
>>>Andrea
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Your not going to want to hear this but that 10 gallon will not be big
>>enough for 2 goldfish. Sometime down the line it will be thier demise.
>>One sugestion would be cycle the 30 gallion tank and switch the 2
>>goldfish to that one and make a small tropical tank with the 10 gallon.
>>there are amny setups a 10 gallon can be with tropicals. so many small
>>fish to choose from.
>>
>>Kay
>
>
> Hi Kay,
>
> Yes, I'm figuring I'm not going to be able to keep the fish that way for too
> long (I read that Orandas can reach 12" long!) But I'm wondering how fast
> these fish grow? If the two can stay together for a few months without
> doing them harm I can do just what you suggest. Would even six months
> together be a terrible strain for them if I keep them free of the N words?
>
> Given the family's love of pets, I probably will end up with the 10 gal tank
> as not much of anything but a quarantine/water change tank and upgrade all
> of them. I'm just trying to get a sense of how long they could endure
> healthfully in that space -- is the problem that you'll have to change water
> so often to keep it clean that the stress of the changes gets to them? Do
> they tend to develop diseases due to stress weakening immunity, etc.?
>
> Thanks again,
> Andrea
>
>

I kept a gold fish in a 6 gallon for a month, then a 29 gallon for
about3 motnhs and then moved him in a 55, but that was a common
goldfish, yours I dopn't think will be 12 inches, maybe 6 - 8? Common,
comet's or long bodied fish get to be 12 inches and over.

The problem would be the N in the water. You whould have to check it and
do aliot of water changes. I think godlfish grow faster than my
tropicals ie Clown Loaches.

Oh another idea for the 10 is an African Dwarf Frog tank with a apple
snail! I have one its great they are singing at night, it sounds so
cute, they stay small. They are just adorable.


Kay

[Geezer From Freezer]

Get them out ASAP - it could stunt their growth which will shorten their life