Lost him

[Cheryl Isaak]

Well, I fought the good fight, but the ailing gold fish died last night.
(and is now waiting spring burial in my freezer - I have a 5 year old.)

I will go to the local pet super store for a water test, but really suspect
that he was just ready to go. (And a test kit for home - I think I've
figured out safe place to store it. I can't find a specialty store in the
area.)


I think we'll also be getting a second feeder fish - the survivor looks
lonely.

Cheryl

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DONT GET ANOTHER FISH. this is the quickest way to kill the survivor. wait until
the survivor dies, then get 2 new fish. Ingrid

Cheryl Isaak > wrote:

>Well, I fought the good fight, but the ailing gold fish died last night.
>(and is now waiting spring burial in my freezer - I have a 5 year old.)
>
>I will go to the local pet super store for a water test, but really suspect
>that he was just ready to go. (And a test kit for home - I think I've
>figured out safe place to store it. I can't find a specialty store in the
>area.)
>
>
>I think we'll also be getting a second feeder fish - the survivor looks
>lonely.
>
>Cheryl



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[Cheryl Isaak]

There is no way to introduce a new fish?
Cheryl

On 2/10/04 8:26 PM, in article ,
" > wrote:

> DONT GET ANOTHER FISH. this is the quickest way to kill the survivor. wait
> until
> the survivor dies, then get 2 new fish. Ingrid
>
> Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>
>> Well, I fought the good fight, but the ailing gold fish died last night.
>> (and is now waiting spring burial in my freezer - I have a 5 year old.)
>>
>> I will go to the local pet super store for a water test, but really suspect


>> that he was just ready to go. (And a test kit for home - I think I've
>> figured out safe place to store it. I can't find a specialty store in the
>> area.)
>>
>>
>> I think we'll also be getting a second feeder fish - the survivor looks
>> lonely.
>>
>> Cheryl
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Donald Kerns]

Both fish are at risk. Mostly the old one because it's been living in a
nice closed environment. The new one brings in nasties.

You COULD qteen the new fish for a month, doing one way transfers of
water from the old fish's tank to the new fish's tank.

But it is a risk. Your call with how much risk you're willing to run
with your fish's health/life...

-D

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

> There is no way to introduce a new fish?
> Cheryl
>
> On 2/10/04 8:26 PM, in article ,
> " > wrote:
>
>> DONT GET ANOTHER FISH. this is the quickest way to kill the
>> survivor. wait until
>> the survivor dies, then get 2 new fish. Ingrid
>>
>> Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I fought the good fight, but the ailing gold fish died last
>>> night. (and is now waiting spring burial in my freezer - I have a 5
>>> year old.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I think we'll also be getting a second feeder fish - the survivor
>>> looks lonely.

--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Vissy Dartae]

Cheryl Isaak > wrote in message >...
> There is no way to introduce a new fish?
> Cheryl

I think Ingrid is right. I've tried it four times, with the best of
care and quarantine, and never failed to have a disaster. It's a very
tricky business.

[Cheryl Isaak]

Or more importantly , how long I can listen to the 5 year old tell me that
"Ghost is soooo lonely".
Cheryl

On 2/11/04 10:38 AM, in article , "Donald
Kerns" > wrote:

> Both fish are at risk. Mostly the old one because it's been living in a
> nice closed environment. The new one brings in nasties.
>
> You COULD qteen the new fish for a month, doing one way transfers of
> water from the old fish's tank to the new fish's tank.
>
> But it is a risk. Your call with how much risk you're willing to run
> with your fish's health/life...
>
> -D
>
> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>
>> There is no way to introduce a new fish?
>> Cheryl
>>
>> On 2/10/04 8:26 PM, in article ,
>> " > wrote:
>>
>>> DONT GET ANOTHER FISH. this is the quickest way to kill the
>>> survivor. wait until
>>> the survivor dies, then get 2 new fish. Ingrid
>>>
>>> Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, I fought the good fight, but the ailing gold fish died last
>>>> night. (and is now waiting spring burial in my freezer - I have a 5
>>>> year old.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think we'll also be getting a second feeder fish - the survivor
>>>> looks lonely.

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 2/11/04 1:00 PM, in article
, "Vissy Dartae"
> wrote:

> Cheryl Isaak > wrote in message
> >...
>> There is no way to introduce a new fish?
>> Cheryl
>
> I think Ingrid is right. I've tried it four times, with the best of
> care and quarantine, and never failed to have a disaster. It's a very
> tricky business.

I will wait, but, could you explain this to my daughter for me (LOL!)
Cheryl

[GiveMeABMW]

>> There is no way to introduce a new fish?
>> Cheryl
>
> I think Ingrid is right. I've tried it four times, with the best of
> care and quarantine, and never failed to have a disaster. It's a very
> tricky business.

I will wait, but, could you explain this to my daughter for me (LOL!)
Cheryl>>>>

In my experience adding new fish can go either way. With quarantining new fish
I've either
A) had no problems at all or
B) had the new fish introduce a parasite (ich)

So adding a new fish isn't -impossible-, but the biggest problem I see is that
you have your current fish in a 10g tank, correct? You'd need to upgrade to a
20g to get another fish.

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 2/11/04 7:36 PM, in article ,
"GiveMeABMW" > wrote:

>>> There is no way to introduce a new fish?
>>> Cheryl
>>
>> I think Ingrid is right. I've tried it four times, with the best of
>> care and quarantine, and never failed to have a disaster. It's a very
>> tricky business.
>
> I will wait, but, could you explain this to my daughter for me (LOL!)
> Cheryl>>>>
>
> In my experience adding new fish can go either way. With quarantining new
> fish
> I've either
> A) had no problems at all or
> B) had the new fish introduce a parasite (ich)
>
> So adding a new fish isn't -impossible-, but the biggest problem I see is that
> you have your current fish in a 10g tank, correct? You'd need to upgrade to a
> 20g to get another fish.

Yes - its a 10!
We are waiting for now!
I think next fish(es) will be something that will be happy in this size tank
Cheryl

[Geezer From Freezer]

wrote:
>
> DONT GET ANOTHER FISH. this is the quickest way to kill the survivor. wait until
> the survivor dies, then get 2 new fish. Ingrid

What about adding a child of the parents into a tank. I have a few babies that
are going
into a small tank until they are big enough for my 63 gallon, which houses the
mum and dad
is this dangerous too?

[Donald Kerns]

Geezer From Freezer wrote:

>
>
> wrote:
>>
>> DONT GET ANOTHER FISH. this is the quickest way to kill the
>> survivor. wait until
>> the survivor dies, then get 2 new fish. Ingrid
>
> What about adding a child of the parents into a tank. I have a few
> babies that are going
> into a small tank until they are big enough for my 63 gallon, which
> houses the mum and dad
> is this dangerous too?

While I don't talk for Ingrid, I personally would do it with little
hestiation, assuming you use the same water for changing both tanks,
don't play with the chemisty etc...

If you wanted to be extra sure, you could move water from the parent's
tank to the baby tank at water change time.

The entire population has been exposed to the same sorts of cooties.
With no new cooties coming in from the outside it shouldn't be much of
a risk.

(This is one reason that most of my LFSs would rather buy/trade stock
from local hobbiests rather than the wholesalers...)

My $0.02US

-Donald
--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

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the only thing you can do is get a second tank right next to the first one. they can
see each other. the other way is a pond in summer, both go into the pond ( the new
one after a bit of quarantine of course). a well filtered pond is so healthy they
can both make it. then bring them into the tank together (after proper cleaning up
of course). Ingrid

Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>I will wait, but, could you explain this to my daughter for me (LOL!)
>Cheryl



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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Cheryl Isaak]

Ack! a second tank! no way! I am just going to hope that I can keep "ghost"
going a few years yet.
Though, I have always wanted a pond in the yard!
Cheryl

On 2/12/04 3:48 PM, in article ,
" > wrote:

> the only thing you can do is get a second tank right next to the first one.
> they can
> see each other. the other way is a pond in summer, both go into the pond (
> the new
> one after a bit of quarantine of course). a well filtered pond is so healthy
> they
> can both make it. then bring them into the tank together (after proper
> cleaning up
> of course). Ingrid
>
> Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>> I will wait, but, could you explain this to my daughter for me (LOL!)
>> Cheryl
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Donald Kerns]

Cheryl Isaak wrote:

> Though, I have always wanted a pond in the yard!

ObDarthVader...

Come, Cheryl... Come to the dark side...

;-)

--
"Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving
that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the
proof." -Galbraith's Law

[Cheryl Isaak]

On 2/12/04 10:36 PM, in article , "Donald
Kerns" > wrote:

> Cheryl Isaak wrote:
>
>> Though, I have always wanted a pond in the yard!
>
> ObDarthVader...
>
> Come, Cheryl... Come to the dark side...
>
> ;-)


Sure - dig a pond, 4 feet deep and about the same around in New Hampshire.
There's a reason it is called the Granite State. In digging my garden beds,
I usually find enough rocks over 4" diameter to go around the new section
twice. We won't mention the ones that require the truck and tow chain to
move!
Cheryl

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ahhh... but this is going to be summer camp so why not build it a little in the
ground and some above ground, like a raised garden bed. and you dont have to make it
that deep if you arent going to overwinter your fish outside.
built a nearly identical one inside and then move the plants in, move the fish in and
have someplace indoors away from the snow and ice. that is what I am going to be
doing. I been thinking about how hostas like low light and doing a nice mulch around
them to give the real feel for the outdoors. LOL. Ingrid

Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>Sure - dig a pond, 4 feet deep and about the same around in New Hampshire.
>There's a reason it is called the Granite State. In digging my garden beds,
>I usually find enough rocks over 4" diameter to go around the new section
>twice. We won't mention the ones that require the truck and tow chain to
>move!
>Cheryl



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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Cheryl Isaak]

My husband would just love a suggestion like that. More plants, more garden!
LOL!
For now, my lonely little fish will swim alone.
Cheryl

On 2/13/04 10:02 AM, in article ,
" > wrote:

> ahhh... but this is going to be summer camp so why not build it a little in
> the
> ground and some above ground, like a raised garden bed. and you dont have to
> make it
> that deep if you arent going to overwinter your fish outside.
> built a nearly identical one inside and then move the plants in, move the fish
> in and
> have someplace indoors away from the snow and ice. that is what I am going to
> be
> doing. I been thinking about how hostas like low light and doing a nice mulch
> around
> them to give the real feel for the outdoors. LOL. Ingrid
>
> Cheryl Isaak > wrote:
>> Sure - dig a pond, 4 feet deep and about the same around in New Hampshire.
>> There's a reason it is called the Granite State. In digging my garden beds,
>> I usually find enough rocks over 4" diameter to go around the new section
>> twice. We won't mention the ones that require the truck and tow chain to
>> move!
>> Cheryl
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.