comet with popeye, please help!

[Morpheus]

came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my comet
looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look like
a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye like i
have seen in photos.........

ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this disease.....what
causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for emergencies like
i used to, i know, bad me......


please respond asap!!!!

[[email protected]]

this is a form of dropsy.
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/symptom/byname.htm#dropsy
was there a big temp drop from water change or ??
Ingrid

"Morpheus" > wrote:

>came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my comet
>looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look like
>a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye like i
>have seen in photos.........
>
>ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this disease.....what
>causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
>it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for emergencies like
>i used to, i know, bad me......
>
>
>please respond asap!!!!
>
>



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[Morpheus]

Thanks for your response.....

He doesnt have the bulging body, but both his eyes are extremely raised with
a whitle circle around them.....

there was one big change in the water, we have a water softener, and about a
week ago, i did a water change, a pretty big one without knowing that the
water softener had run out of salt.....so the water i used was very very
hard........

i have done another water change since then and the water conditions are
really good now.........
"Morpheus" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my
comet
> looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look
like
> a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye like
i
> have seen in photos.........
>
> ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this disease.....what
> causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
> it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for emergencies
like
> i used to, i know, bad me......
>
>
> please respond asap!!!!
>
>
>
>

[Tom La Bron]

Morpheus,

Before you get crazy and adding all sorts of stuff to your fish water, why
not try using some Melafix first. It is possible that the fish injured its
eye during a dance around the tank while you were away.

Using the Melafix will see if any thing else shows up and if it does you can
act accordingly. Unless your tank water was extremely soft adding hard
water should not bothered you fish enough to cause this reaction. Go with
the Melafix first and observe. If it is dropsy you will know soon enough.
No use hitting your fish with sludge hammer meds when a gingerly use of a
tack hammer will suffice.

Tom L.L.
--------------------------------------------------
"Morpheus" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> Thanks for your response.....
>
> He doesnt have the bulging body, but both his eyes are extremely raised
with
> a whitle circle around them.....
>
> there was one big change in the water, we have a water softener, and about
a
> week ago, i did a water change, a pretty big one without knowing that the
> water softener had run out of salt.....so the water i used was very very
> hard........
>
> i have done another water change since then and the water conditions are
> really good now.........
> "Morpheus" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my
> comet
> > looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look
> like
> > a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye
like
> i
> > have seen in photos.........
> >
> > ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this disease.....what
> > causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
> > it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for emergencies
> like
> > i used to, i know, bad me......
> >
> >
> > please respond asap!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Morpheus]

can melafix be added to the community tank........i have a apple snail,
octos, and a dojo loach in it........can they deal with melafix or is it too
much for them
"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Morpheus,
>
> Before you get crazy and adding all sorts of stuff to your fish water, why
> not try using some Melafix first. It is possible that the fish injured
its
> eye during a dance around the tank while you were away.
>
> Using the Melafix will see if any thing else shows up and if it does you
can
> act accordingly. Unless your tank water was extremely soft adding hard
> water should not bothered you fish enough to cause this reaction. Go with
> the Melafix first and observe. If it is dropsy you will know soon enough.
> No use hitting your fish with sludge hammer meds when a gingerly use of a
> tack hammer will suffice.
>
> Tom L.L.
> --------------------------------------------------
> "Morpheus" > wrote in message
> nk.net...
> > Thanks for your response.....
> >
> > He doesnt have the bulging body, but both his eyes are extremely raised
> with
> > a whitle circle around them.....
> >
> > there was one big change in the water, we have a water softener, and
about
> a
> > week ago, i did a water change, a pretty big one without knowing that
the
> > water softener had run out of salt.....so the water i used was very very
> > hard........
> >
> > i have done another water change since then and the water conditions are
> > really good now.........
> > "Morpheus" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my
> > comet
> > > looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look
> > like
> > > a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye
> like
> > i
> > > have seen in photos.........
> > >
> > > ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this
disease.....what
> > > causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
> > > it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for
emergencies
> > like
> > > i used to, i know, bad me......
> > >
> > >
> > > please respond asap!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Tom La Bron]

Morpheus,

I am not sure about the snail, but according to the literature you can use
it on Discus fry, one of the most delicate fish at that age ever having to
deal with, and it can also be used with scaleless fish. According to
literature it can be used with snails, but the only snails that I have are
pond snails and it has never killed them.

I now use Melafix on ever fish that I bring home for a full regiment of
treatment as per instructions with a full 14 day feeding of Medigold.

So far, I have never had a fish come down with any thing after leaving the
quarantine tank.

HTH

Tom L.L.
---------------------------------------
"Morpheus" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> can melafix be added to the community tank........i have a apple snail,
> octos, and a dojo loach in it........can they deal with melafix or is it
too
> much for them
> "Tom La Bron" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Morpheus,
> >
> > Before you get crazy and adding all sorts of stuff to your fish water,
why
> > not try using some Melafix first. It is possible that the fish injured
> its
> > eye during a dance around the tank while you were away.
> >
> > Using the Melafix will see if any thing else shows up and if it does you
> can
> > act accordingly. Unless your tank water was extremely soft adding hard
> > water should not bothered you fish enough to cause this reaction. Go
with
> > the Melafix first and observe. If it is dropsy you will know soon
enough.
> > No use hitting your fish with sludge hammer meds when a gingerly use of
a
> > tack hammer will suffice.
> >
> > Tom L.L.
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > "Morpheus" > wrote in message
> > nk.net...
> > > Thanks for your response.....
> > >
> > > He doesnt have the bulging body, but both his eyes are extremely
raised
> > with
> > > a whitle circle around them.....
> > >
> > > there was one big change in the water, we have a water softener, and
> about
> > a
> > > week ago, i did a water change, a pretty big one without knowing that
> the
> > > water softener had run out of salt.....so the water i used was very
very
> > > hard........
> > >
> > > i have done another water change since then and the water conditions
are
> > > really good now.........
> > > "Morpheus" > wrote in message
> > > ink.net...
> > > > came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and
yea.......my
> > > comet
> > > > looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to
look
> > > like
> > > > a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye
> > like
> > > i
> > > > have seen in photos.........
> > > >
> > > > ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this
> disease.....what
> > > > causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
> > > > it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for
> emergencies
> > > like
> > > > i used to, i know, bad me......
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > please respond asap!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

as I said, popeye is a form of dropsy. yeah, sudden increase in alkalinity or temp
drop will give em dropsy. treat according to dropsy. Ingrid

"Morpheus" > wrote:

>Thanks for your response.....
>
>He doesnt have the bulging body, but both his eyes are extremely raised with
>a whitle circle around them.....
>
>there was one big change in the water, we have a water softener, and about a
>week ago, i did a water change, a pretty big one without knowing that the
>water softener had run out of salt.....so the water i used was very very
>hard........
>
>i have done another water change since then and the water conditions are
>really good now.........
>"Morpheus" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>> came home from class tonight. looked in the aquarium and yea.......my
>comet
>> looks like ET........its definitely popeye......he is starting to look
>like
>> a hammerhead shark.......and now theres the whiteness around the eye like
>i
>> have seen in photos.........
>>
>> ok, before i totally go in shock here.......whats this disease.....what
>> causes it, whats the chances it can be cured, how should i cure
>> it........keep in mind i dont have my ten gallon set up for emergencies
>like
>> i used to, i know, bad me......
>>
>>
>> please respond asap!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care3.htm#TEA%20TREE%20OIL,%20Melaleuca

dropsy treatment is epsom salts and heat, nothing toxic to any of your other fish.
Ingrid

"Morpheus" > wrote:
>can melafix be added to the community tank........i have a apple snail,
>octos, and a dojo loach in it........can they deal with melafix or is it too
>much for them



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Vissy Dartae]

"Tom La Bron" > wrote in message >...
> Morpheus,
>
> I am not sure about the snail, but according to the literature you can use


This links claims it's OK for snails:

http://www.fishjunkies.com/Medications/melafix.php

[BErney1014]

>dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF

When Melafix came out your opinions were based on dog and bird anecdotes. Have
you ever tried it?

[Kay]

BErney1014 wrote:

>>dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF
>
>
> When Melafix came out your opinions were based on dog and bird anecdotes. Have
> you ever tried it?

I have used tee tree oil myself for years! I like http://naturesgift.com

I used it with myrrth before and after surjury and the healing was so
fast the doctor was surprised. When I heard about melafix I was excited,
and when I used it I was satisified.

Other oils I have used on people is french lavender<tension headaches>,
Myrrth<teeth and I used also after surjury>, Sweet Majorum<excellent
pain reliever worked on my carpaltunnel,musle,nerve,joint and bone
pain>, peppermint<migraines>, tangerine<just cause I like it>,

Kay

[Tom La Bron]

Kay,

If you still have carpel tunnel (CT) problems drop me a line privately and I
will tell you how to do an exercise that has taken my CT problems away, and
also worked for my wife. My carpel tunnel was getting so bad that I was
also getting tennis elbow. My wife was thinking about surgery when I found
this method. Found out later that two people that she worked with had the
surgery and it really didn't take care of the problem. May be it will work
for you.

Tom L.L.
------------------------------------------------
"Kay" > wrote in message
news:eReZb.81018$jk2.423787@attbi_s53...
> BErney1014 wrote:
>
> >>dont use tea tree oil derivatives with your GF
> >
> >
> > When Melafix came out your opinions were based on dog and bird
anecdotes. Have
> > you ever tried it?
>
> I have used tee tree oil myself for years! I like http://naturesgift.com
>
> I used it with myrrth before and after surjury and the healing was so
> fast the doctor was surprised. When I heard about melafix I was excited,
> and when I used it I was satisified.
>
> Other oils I have used on people is french lavender<tension headaches>,
> Myrrth<teeth and I used also after surjury>, Sweet Majorum<excellent
> pain reliever worked on my carpaltunnel,musle,nerve,joint and bone
> pain>, peppermint<migraines>, tangerine<just cause I like it>,
>
> Kay
>

[[email protected]]

yes, and the fast healing of the epithelia of a fish is the reason it isnt a good
idea. a look on the literature shows that wounds heal best from the inside out so
that bacteria dont get trapped inside and fester. this is why puncture wounds are so
dangerous. it is even more serious in that fish have the epidermis that holds the
scales and then over this is an epithelial layer that secretes slime and
antimicrobial products. If this heals over while the wound is still festering it
traps the bacteria underneath. this is the reason wounds are palpated to see if they
are hard (indicating proper healing) or if they are soft, indicating an ongoing
infection under the skin. Those wounds have to be opened up to let them drain.
salt is a good "medication" to help heal surface wounds and scrapes. fish epithelial
is a lot more like the inside of our mouths (wet epithelial) than the skin on our
hands. The inside of our mouth heals fast too and the recommended treatment for
minor wounds in the mouth like canker sores ...... salt water rinse.
It isnt just the surface of the fish that is being exposed to things dumped in the
water ... it is the lungs of the fish as well, and the gills are even more tender and
easily burned by chemicals. so why put chemicals into the water that arent going to
work better than frequent water changes and a little salt?
Ingrid

Kay > wrote:
>I used it with myrrth before and after surjury and the healing was so
>fast the doctor was surprised. When I heard about melafix I was excited,
>and when I used it I was satisified.
>Kay



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Tom La Bron]

Yes Ingrid,

What you say is all well and good, but you are making suppositions here with
this message relating it to fish. All you references deal with dogs, cats
and birds, nothing relating with fish. You have never used a product with
tea tree oil and have no experience with the product Melafix or its use and
effectiveness. Those of us who have used it find it to be a very valid and
effective medication for fish, I say again, for FISH, not birds, cats or
dogs.

One of these days people will realize that the "Dr" part of your addys deals
with a teaching degree and has nothing to do with fish or research related
to fish or the Veterinary knowledge gained by that degree with the aspect of
fish husbandry.

Neosporin boosts fast healing and you recommend it or its substitutes all
the time, I guess by what you are saying in this message that this product
is bad also. Or is it only bad when you don't recommend it. You know you
can't have it both ways.

You are such a gem, Ingrid, you say one thing one time and then in couple of
days you actually negate things that you have said previously.

How long have you been keeping Goldfish, now, it should be about eight years
now.

Have a nice day.
-----------------------------------------
> wrote in message
...
> yes, and the fast healing of the epithelia of a fish is the reason it isnt
a good
> idea. a look on the literature shows that wounds heal best from the
inside out so
> that bacteria dont get trapped inside and fester. this is why puncture
wounds are so
> dangerous. it is even more serious in that fish have the epidermis that
holds the
> scales and then over this is an epithelial layer that secretes slime and
> antimicrobial products. If this heals over while the wound is still
festering it
> traps the bacteria underneath. this is the reason wounds are palpated to
see if they
> are hard (indicating proper healing) or if they are soft, indicating an
ongoing
> infection under the skin. Those wounds have to be opened up to let them
drain.
> salt is a good "medication" to help heal surface wounds and scrapes. fish
epithelial
> is a lot more like the inside of our mouths (wet epithelial) than the skin
on our
> hands. The inside of our mouth heals fast too and the recommended
treatment for
> minor wounds in the mouth like canker sores ...... salt water rinse.
> It isnt just the surface of the fish that is being exposed to things
dumped in the
> water ... it is the lungs of the fish as well, and the gills are even more
tender and
> easily burned by chemicals. so why put chemicals into the water that arent
going to
> work better than frequent water changes and a little salt?
> Ingrid
>
> Kay > wrote:
> >I used it with myrrth before and after surjury and the healing was so
> >fast the doctor was surprised. When I heard about melafix I was excited,
> >and when I used it I was satisified.
> >Kay
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[MartinOsirus]

I for one don't care to see these personal hostile attacks on Ingrid just
because you don't agree with her. You seem to have "an axe to grind" and trying
to discredit her - just doesn't fly! IMO - her expertise is without question.
Re - Melafix - the best we can say from web reviews is:
"Opinions seem to be divided on its performance. Some reckon it’s the bee’s
knees, others don’t rate it as highly as some of the more mainstream
medications on the market, and some suggest that it does seem to have a
negative impact on filtration, too. "

>
>
>Yes Ingrid,
>
>What you say is all well and good, but you are making suppositions here with
>this message relating it to fish. All you references deal with dogs, cats
>and birds, nothing relating with fish. You have never used a product with
>tea tree oil and have no experience with the product Melafix or its use and
>effectiveness. Those of us who have used it find it to be a very valid and
>effective medication for fish, I say again, for FISH, not birds, cats or
>dogs.
>
>One of these days people will realize that the "Dr" part of your addys deals
>with a teaching degree and has nothing to do with fish or research related
>to fish or the Veterinary knowledge gained by that degree with the aspect of
>fish husbandry.
>
>Neosporin boosts fast healing and you recommend it or its substitutes all
>the time, I guess by what you are saying in this message that this product
>is bad also. Or is it only bad when you don't recommend it. You know you
>can't have it both ways.
>
>You are such a gem, Ingrid, you say one thing one time and then in couple of
>days you actually negate things that you have said previously.
>
>How long have you been keeping Goldfish, now, it should be about eight years
>now.
>
>Have a nice day.

[Tom La Bron]

Martin,

It is neither personal or hostile. Just because I point out the obvious
incongruities that appear, has nothing to do with axe grinding. Just
because Ingrid says it, doesn't make it true or correct in all instances and
this is one of them.
--------------------------------
"MartinOsirus" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I for one don't care to see these personal hostile attacks on Ingrid just
> because you don't agree with her. You seem to have "an axe to grind" and
trying
> to discredit her - just doesn't fly! IMO - her expertise is without
question.
> Re - Melafix - the best we can say from web reviews is:
> "Opinions seem to be divided on its performance. Some reckon it's the bee'
s
> knees, others don't rate it as highly as some of the more mainstream
> medications on the market, and some suggest that it does seem to have a
> negative impact on filtration, too. "