Time to change my Bi-Orb...advice needed on fish relocation...

[Nick Jones]

Hello all,

I came here a few months ago and had lots of help when a fish in my biorb
had dropsy. I felt bad as I had four very small goldfish in there and it was
clearly too many.
Ok, so now I have three and despite trying to keep it in order, one is
hanging tail down most of the time and is doing its best to maintain its
level in the tank.
A neighbour has an outside pond and I was wondering if I could transfer it
there?
Thing is of course:
1. Will it 'infect' other fish? On the outside it looks very healthy with no
visible signs of disease.
2. Is it still too cold for a transfer? About 8 Celsius here during the day.
3. Might the stress kill it off anyway?

So, I shall act on your advice as it's time to sort this mess out.

Many thanks in advance,

Nick

[[email protected]]

it is just toxed from poor water. yes. you can move it when the temp is about the
same as the indoor water ... it is not good to move fish outside until the water temp
is reliably above 55oF. no more than 4oF drop in temp per day for GF. Ingrid

"Nick Jones" > wrote:

>Hello all,
>
>I came here a few months ago and had lots of help when a fish in my biorb
>had dropsy. I felt bad as I had four very small goldfish in there and it was
>clearly too many.
>Ok, so now I have three and despite trying to keep it in order, one is
>hanging tail down most of the time and is doing its best to maintain its
>level in the tank.
>A neighbour has an outside pond and I was wondering if I could transfer it
>there?
>Thing is of course:
>1. Will it 'infect' other fish? On the outside it looks very healthy with no
>visible signs of disease.
>2. Is it still too cold for a transfer? About 8 Celsius here during the day.
>3. Might the stress kill it off anyway?
>
>So, I shall act on your advice as it's time to sort this mess out.
>
>Many thanks in advance,
>
>Nick
>



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[Nick Jones]

Well, if I moved it using a large bag and hung it in there for an hour to
adjust would that be ok?

Thank you.

Nick


> wrote in message
...
> it is just toxed from poor water. yes. you can move it when the temp is
about the
> same as the indoor water ... it is not good to move fish outside until the
water temp
> is reliably above 55oF. no more than 4oF drop in temp per day for GF.
Ingrid
>
> "Nick Jones" > wrote:
>
> >Hello all,
> >
> >I came here a few months ago and had lots of help when a fish in my biorb
> >had dropsy. I felt bad as I had four very small goldfish in there and it
was
> >clearly too many.
> >Ok, so now I have three and despite trying to keep it in order, one is
> >hanging tail down most of the time and is doing its best to maintain its
> >level in the tank.
> >A neighbour has an outside pond and I was wondering if I could transfer
it
> >there?
> >Thing is of course:
> >1. Will it 'infect' other fish? On the outside it looks very healthy with
no
> >visible signs of disease.
> >2. Is it still too cold for a transfer? About 8 Celsius here during the
day.
> >3. Might the stress kill it off anyway?
> >
> >So, I shall act on your advice as it's time to sort this mess out.
> >
> >Many thanks in advance,
> >
> >Nick
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Geezer From Freezer]

Nick Jones wrote:
>
> Well, if I moved it using a large bag and hung it in there for an hour to
> adjust would that be ok?

Nick,

I'd advise against that. That is going to be a big drop in temperature for that
fish.
Like Ingrid(Drsolo) stated, no drops of more than 4oF in a day. Just replace the
water
in your b*-*rb. Also your fish may have a swim bladder disorder by your
description.
Swim bladder is used to keep fish level in the water without having to use to
much
energy. I'd suggest keeping water warm and even trying fasting your fish for a
couple
days incase it has been brought on by food. Then feed a shelled defrosted pea to
see if
it makes any difference (it probably won't, but worth a try).

[[email protected]]

no. not if the temp difference is more than 4oF drop. Ingrid

"Nick Jones" > wrote:

>Well, if I moved it using a large bag and hung it in there for an hour to
>adjust would that be ok?
>
>Thank you.
>
>Nick
>
>
> wrote in message
...
>> it is just toxed from poor water. yes. you can move it when the temp is
>about the
>> same as the indoor water ... it is not good to move fish outside until the
>water temp
>> is reliably above 55oF. no more than 4oF drop in temp per day for GF.
>Ingrid
>>
>> "Nick Jones" > wrote:
>>
>> >Hello all,
>> >
>> >I came here a few months ago and had lots of help when a fish in my biorb
>> >had dropsy. I felt bad as I had four very small goldfish in there and it
>was
>> >clearly too many.
>> >Ok, so now I have three and despite trying to keep it in order, one is
>> >hanging tail down most of the time and is doing its best to maintain its
>> >level in the tank.
>> >A neighbour has an outside pond and I was wondering if I could transfer
>it
>> >there?
>> >Thing is of course:
>> >1. Will it 'infect' other fish? On the outside it looks very healthy with
>no
>> >visible signs of disease.
>> >2. Is it still too cold for a transfer? About 8 Celsius here during the
>day.
>> >3. Might the stress kill it off anyway?
>> >
>> >So, I shall act on your advice as it's time to sort this mess out.
>> >
>> >Many thanks in advance,
>> >
>> >Nick
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>> www.drsolo.com
>> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> endorsements or recommendations I make.
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Nick Jones]

Many thanks.
I had missed the point re 4oF in a day.
Have been on the pea therapy for a day or two now anyway. (they go mad for
it!)
I think my plan will have to be to maintain them all all until it's warmer
here in the UK and the difference would be minimalised.

Well, at leat I have a plan for now.

Thanks as always to you all here. A top group!

Nick



"Geezer From Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Nick Jones wrote:
> >
> > Well, if I moved it using a large bag and hung it in there for an hour
to
> > adjust would that be ok?
>
> Nick,
>
> I'd advise against that. That is going to be a big drop in temperature for
that
> fish.
> Like Ingrid(Drsolo) stated, no drops of more than 4oF in a day. Just
replace the
> water
> in your b*-*rb. Also your fish may have a swim bladder disorder by your
> description.
> Swim bladder is used to keep fish level in the water without having to use
to
> much
> energy. I'd suggest keeping water warm and even trying fasting your fish
for a
> couple
> days incase it has been brought on by food. Then feed a shelled defrosted
pea to
> see if
> it makes any difference (it probably won't, but worth a try).

[Nick Jones]

All noted down and I shall await the warmer weather now, and maintain in the
mean time.

Many thanks for good advice Ingrid :-)

Nick

> wrote in message
...
> no. not if the temp difference is more than 4oF drop. Ingrid
>
> "Nick Jones" > wrote:
>
> >Well, if I moved it using a large bag and hung it in there for an hour to
> >adjust would that be ok?
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Nick
> >
> >
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >> it is just toxed from poor water. yes. you can move it when the temp
is
> >about the
> >> same as the indoor water ... it is not good to move fish outside until
the
> >water temp
> >> is reliably above 55oF. no more than 4oF drop in temp per day for GF.
> >Ingrid
> >>
> >> "Nick Jones" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Hello all,
> >> >
> >> >I came here a few months ago and had lots of help when a fish in my
biorb
> >> >had dropsy. I felt bad as I had four very small goldfish in there and
it
> >was
> >> >clearly too many.
> >> >Ok, so now I have three and despite trying to keep it in order, one is
> >> >hanging tail down most of the time and is doing its best to maintain
its
> >> >level in the tank.
> >> >A neighbour has an outside pond and I was wondering if I could
transfer
> >it
> >> >there?
> >> >Thing is of course:
> >> >1. Will it 'infect' other fish? On the outside it looks very healthy
with
> >no
> >> >visible signs of disease.
> >> >2. Is it still too cold for a transfer? About 8 Celsius here during
the
> >day.
> >> >3. Might the stress kill it off anyway?
> >> >
> >> >So, I shall act on your advice as it's time to sort this mess out.
> >> >
> >> >Many thanks in advance,
> >> >
> >> >Nick
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> >> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> >> www.drsolo.com
> >> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> >> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> >> endorsements or recommendations I make.
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.