Very new to all of this

[Annie]

Hi all,

Last weekend, we bought a large bay shaped tank which holds 150 litres of
water.

It has an under gravel filter with two "bubble chambers" (don't know the
correct terminology) -- one on either side at the rear of the tank. In the
tank we also have an air line thingy which just makes a pretty bubble wall
effect, about an inch of gravel, two large ornaments, two large plants --
still waiting for another large ornament which is on order.

We filled the tank with softened water (we live in a very hard water area)
and put water conditioner in and have kept guppies alive in the tank all
week as per the instructions from our local pet shop.

I went back today to get some real fish and ended up with 5 goldfish (the
small variety) and 3 molly's. The guppies are still in the tank as well but
the tank looks bare as though it needs more fish but we have the recommended
amount.

Do you reckon I could get away with adding more fish and what other fish
live harmoniously with goldfish?

I bought two male siamese fighting fish for the kids but both of them are in
separate tanks in their bedrooms.

Would I be able to put female fighter fish in the main tank with the
goldfish?

thanks in advance. I look forward to learning lots more on this subject!
A

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GF need around 10 gallons per fish
It is not a good idea to mix GF with other fish, especially not smaller ones. GF
will eat them.
you need to add hardness to your softened water, get some dolomitic limestone.
what are your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH?
do water changes whenever the nitrates get >20 ppm
Ingrid

"Annie" > wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>Last weekend, we bought a large bay shaped tank which holds 150 litres of
>water.
>
>It has an under gravel filter with two "bubble chambers" (don't know the
>correct terminology) -- one on either side at the rear of the tank. In the
>tank we also have an air line thingy which just makes a pretty bubble wall
>effect, about an inch of gravel, two large ornaments, two large plants --
>still waiting for another large ornament which is on order.
>
>We filled the tank with softened water (we live in a very hard water area)
>and put water conditioner in and have kept guppies alive in the tank all
>week as per the instructions from our local pet shop.
>
>I went back today to get some real fish and ended up with 5 goldfish (the
>small variety) and 3 molly's. The guppies are still in the tank as well but
>the tank looks bare as though it needs more fish but we have the recommended
>amount.
>
>Do you reckon I could get away with adding more fish and what other fish
>live harmoniously with goldfish?
>
>I bought two male siamese fighting fish for the kids but both of them are in
>separate tanks in their bedrooms.
>
>Would I be able to put female fighter fish in the main tank with the
>goldfish?
>
>thanks in advance. I look forward to learning lots more on this subject!
>A
>
>



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[Tom La Bron]

Annie,

Don't know how small you Goldfish are but I will assume they are in the 2 to
5 cm range because you say the tank still looks empty and you have three
mollies and the guppies still in the tank.

The rule of thumb (ROT), and this is just a guide line, but it has proven
its worth over many years, is that you keep one goldfish per 38liters.
Needless to say, you are already over stocked just in Goldfish alone.

If you want you Goldfish to grow you will need this stocking level. Also,
since Goldfish are pretty dirty fish this ROT allows for their growth and
for their well being because of the amount of waste they produce. Most of
us believe Goldfish should be kept only with other Goldfish. The varieties
that Goldfish proven and their varied color combinations should give almost
any variety that anyone can desire.

The "bubble chambers" on our undergravel filter (UGF) are called risers.
Make sure the airstone or air release is as close to the bottom of the tube
as possible.

No, a female betta should not be put in the tank. She will pick on the
Goldfish.

You also need to get a test kit to measure your pH, ammonia levels in the
tank, nitrite levels, KH level, and General Hardness. Goldfish do better in
hard water (200 to 300ppm GH). Your KH should be 80 to 120 ppm. pH between
7 and 8 and ammonia should be zero, as well as your nitrites. Nitrates are
usually kept in the 10ppm range by weekly water changes of 10 to 30% with
conditioned water.

HTH

Tom L.L.
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"Annie" > wrote in message
...
> Hi all,
>
> Last weekend, we bought a large bay shaped tank which holds 150 litres of
> water.
>
> It has an under gravel filter with two "bubble chambers" (don't know the
> correct terminology) -- one on either side at the rear of the tank. In
the
> tank we also have an air line thingy which just makes a pretty bubble wall
> effect, about an inch of gravel, two large ornaments, two large plants --
> still waiting for another large ornament which is on order.
>
> We filled the tank with softened water (we live in a very hard water area)
> and put water conditioner in and have kept guppies alive in the tank all
> week as per the instructions from our local pet shop.
>
> I went back today to get some real fish and ended up with 5 goldfish (the
> small variety) and 3 molly's. The guppies are still in the tank as well
but
> the tank looks bare as though it needs more fish but we have the
recommended
> amount.
>
> Do you reckon I could get away with adding more fish and what other fish
> live harmoniously with goldfish?
>
> I bought two male siamese fighting fish for the kids but both of them are
in
> separate tanks in their bedrooms.
>
> Would I be able to put female fighter fish in the main tank with the
> goldfish?
>
> thanks in advance. I look forward to learning lots more on this subject!
> A
>
>
>

[marmarle]

Anne, goldfish are cold water fish, meaning they don't really need a heater,
and tropicals need to be kept at 72 to 80 degrees or about 20 to 25 C. So in
that respect, Dr. Solo is correct, you need different tanks for the
different fish, but goldfish will not eat even there own babies, once they
swim free and look like fish. This is why many people have to find homes for
there extra goldfish in the summer. All the fish will be eating the babies
as soon as they are born from the live bearers, so you won't be seeing any
babies live, if that was your hopes. What you really need will be lots and
lots of plants for the fish to hide in and play chase around, so that there
is movement and nice color. Also the plants will help with the health of the
tank.
I remember when the kids were small and we had tanks in every room. I still
have a 50 Gallon as a room divider, and a small 30 gallon in my craft room.
Now the grandkids have even given me a pond full of goldfish for on the
enclosed porch. So you have started a hobby that you can enjoy the rest of
your life.
Good Luck and have fun. KathyAZ
Annie wrote in message ...
>Hi all,
>
>Last weekend, we bought a large bay shaped tank which holds 150 litres of
>water.
>
>It has an under gravel filter with two "bubble chambers" (don't know the
>correct terminology) -- one on either side at the rear of the tank. In the
>tank we also have an air line thingy which just makes a pretty bubble wall
>effect, about an inch of gravel, two large ornaments, two large plants --
>still waiting for another large ornament which is on order.
>
>We filled the tank with softened water (we live in a very hard water area)
>and put water conditioner in and have kept guppies alive in the tank all
>week as per the instructions from our local pet shop.
>
>I went back today to get some real fish and ended up with 5 goldfish (the
>small variety) and 3 molly's. The guppies are still in the tank as well
but
>the tank looks bare as though it needs more fish but we have the
recommended
>amount.
>
>Do you reckon I could get away with adding more fish and what other fish
>live harmoniously with goldfish?
>
>I bought two male siamese fighting fish for the kids but both of them are
in
>separate tanks in their bedrooms.
>
>Would I be able to put female fighter fish in the main tank with the
>goldfish?
>
>thanks in advance. I look forward to learning lots more on this subject!
>A
>
>
>




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Goldfish are not cold water fish. Their metabolism is most functional at 70+ oF.
They can stand cold water without dying, but their system winds down from 55oF or so.
GF do best with constant temperatures, so a heater is essential, and 75-78oF is
recommended for fancy GF with long flowing fins or big round bodies.
Goldfish will eat their own eggs, will eat their own babies and anything that fits
into their mouth. In many pet stores GF can be seen eating on dead or dying other
GF. the fact that many GF young survive in ponds is more due to good hiding skills.

Ingrid

>Anne, goldfish are cold water fish, meaning they don't really need a heater,
but goldfish will not eat even there own babies, once they
>swim free and look like fish.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.