Fins not extended properly

[Ken Smith]

We have 2 goldfish, had them for 2 months. One looks very healthy with all fins fully extended and swims freely. The other doesn't
seem so well. It's fins seem stuck down. It swims about fine, but with a little more effort required than the other one. They don't
seem to be fighting, I've watched them on and off for a while.

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Ken.

[Ken Smith]

Should also add that we have the water filtered and was changed a few days ago. We also use a few drops of, "Stress Coat" in the
water


"Ken Smith" > wrote in message ...
> We have 2 goldfish, had them for 2 months. One looks very healthy with all fins fully extended and swims freely. The other doesn't
> seem so well. It's fins seem stuck down. It swims about fine, but with a little more effort required than the other one. They
don't
> seem to be fighting, I've watched them on and off for a while.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken.
>
>

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what are your water quality parameters, ammonia, nitrites, nitrates and pH?
clamped fins is a symptom of toxic water conditions.
Ingrid

"Ken Smith" > wrote:

>We have 2 goldfish, had them for 2 months. One looks very healthy with all fins fully extended and swims freely. The other doesn't
>seem so well. It's fins seem stuck down. It swims about fine, but with a little more effort required than the other one. They don't
>seem to be fighting, I've watched them on and off for a while.
>
>Any ideas?
>
>Thanks,
>Ken.
>



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[BErney1014]

clamped fins is a symptom of disease or parasites.

[Donald K]

BErney1014 wrote:

>
> clamped fins is a symptom of disease or parasites.

Um,

How about...

"Clamped fins is a sign of stress. That stress can be caused by many
things, among them: toxic water conditions, disease or parasites."

Sorta like pale skin and feeling generally bad can indicate anything
from flu, to food poisoning to heart attack.

-D
--
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enough people to make it worth the effort." -Herm Albright

[BErney1014]

>Um,
>
>How about...
>
>"Clamped fins is a sign of stress. That stress can be caused by many
>things, among them: toxic water conditions, disease or parasites."

Quoted from?
Without seeing the fish, there's only the posters clues. One fish showing signs
in toxic water? I'll bet on parasites or disease. You can cheerlead for the
other camp.

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clamped fins with no other clues. toxic water.
EMERGENCY
1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
2. do the fish physical
3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water
4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
Ingrid


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I agree. most diseases are brought on by poor water quality, there simply is no down
side to changing water and seeing if the fish perks up in a couple hours. but I
would also add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons, no additives, dissolve first, add
slowly.
treating immediately for disease may be useless or worse than useless. if the water
is toxic already, then dumping meds in makes the situation even worse. better to do
the most important at first and see how the fish responds. Ingrid

Donald K > wrote:
>Doing a competent water change (one that is done with dechlorinated,
>temperature matched, aged if possible, water) is pretty much the
>aquarium equivalent of "get the patient comfortable and run oxygen if
>indicated."
>
>There are instances where a competent water change is
>contra-indicated... but that is a different topic.
>
>By "betting" that the clamped fins are caused by disease or parasites,
>are you claiming that checking water parameters is not indicated?

>-Donald



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[Geezer From Freezer]

wrote:
>
> clamped fins with no other clues. toxic water.
> EMERGENCY
> 1. check the water parameters: pH, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates
> 2. do the fish physical
> 3. change some or all of the water, add 1 teaspoon salt per 5 gallons water
> 4. from the water parameters and physical decide on a course of action
> 5. if there is nothing specific, do the tub to tub method
> Ingrid

Got to agree with the above!

[Ken Smith]

Progress report.

Firstly, thanks for all your help and suggestions. I've been down to Pets at Home, where I bought them from, and the girl said we
should bring a sample of the water in and she'd run a complete test on it, free of charge. That's what we'll do tomorrow. In the
mean time, we've done another partial water change with added drops of "Stress Coat". It turns out we've been over feeding them as
well. We've been giving them 3/6 flakes a day each when the Pets at Home girl said to only give them 1 flake a day.

I'm just a little confused about one of them being totally healthy and the other looking a bit emaciated if the water's toxic. Have
I got a Superfish? Will he survive in a tank full of Battery acid?

Thanks again,

Ken





"Ken Smith" > wrote in message ...
> We have 2 goldfish, had them for 2 months. One looks very healthy with all fins fully extended and swims freely. The other doesn't
> seem so well. It's fins seem stuck down. It swims about fine, but with a little more effort required than the other one. They
don't
> seem to be fighting, I've watched them on and off for a while.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Ken.
>
>

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it is better to get the tests and run them yourself.
if the fish is 3 inches or so, 3 flakes at a time is not too much. especially if you
are feeding the cheap stuff that floats on top of the water. there isnt much food
value and 1 flake will starve anything except a fry.
yes, fish are not all the same. some fish can survive the most horrendous
conditions. commons are known to contain fish will live in almost sewers call "fish
bowls".
Ingrid

"Ken Smith" > wrote:
>Firstly, thanks for all your help and suggestions. I've been down to Pets at Home, where I bought them from, and the girl said we
>should bring a sample of the water in and she'd run a complete test on it, free of charge. That's what we'll do tomorrow. In the
>mean time, we've done another partial water change with added drops of "Stress Coat". It turns out we've been over feeding them as
>well. We've been giving them 3/6 flakes a day each when the Pets at Home girl said to only give them 1 flake a day.
>
>I'm just a little confused about one of them being totally healthy and the other looking a bit emaciated if the water's toxic. Have
>I got a Superfish? Will he survive in a tank full of Battery acid?
>
>Thanks again,
>
>Ken


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[BErney1014]

>....What's wrong with the kid?
Who cares, talk fish.

>I placed the various suppositions into a neutral statement.

Neutral goes nowhere. Why is this about you?

>With only the sign of "clamped fins" there is no basis for diagnosis.

Who gave a diagnosis, ingrid? Was it TOXIC water?

>By "betting" that the clamped fins are caused by disease or parasites,
>are you claiming that checking water parameters is not indicated?

The odds of toxic water causing the clamped fins are further down the list.
Did you miss the part about his water change?

>Read my post again and I think you'll find I wasn't advocating ANY
>course of action.
>
>-Donald

What am I missing; who said you suggested anything and what does it have to do
with me?

>> Quoted from?
>> Without seeing the fish, there's only the posters clues. One fish
>> showing signs in toxic water? I'll bet on parasites or disease. You
>> can cheerlead for the other camp.