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"Don Geddis" wrote in message ...
nobody cares about your random opinion.
[...]
You're really not making any sense.

Don, what is the purpose of prolonging this conversation?

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Big Habeeb wrote:

I'm very much used to cannister/hanging
filters, where the power both pulls water out, and pushes water in.

Actually, the cannister and hanging filters I've used also used pumps that only
push water back out. All of them have used syphons to get the water into the filter.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

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On Oct 3, 11:19 pm, George Patterson wrote:
Big Habeeb wrote:
I'm very much used to cannister/hanging
filters, where the power both pulls water out, and pushes water in.

Actually, the cannister and hanging filters I've used also used pumps that only
push water back out. All of them have used syphons to get the water into the filter.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

OK, so last night I got it filled enough for water ot go into the
overflow, only to discover that I had a leak from the bottom of the
plumbing...wasn't entirely sure what the problem was until I checked
some schematics in one of the books I have - apparently the genius who
set up the plumbing for me (mind you this was at the "better price,
but less reliable LFS") put the washer OUTSIDE the tank, instead of on
the inside of the overflow. So, basically now, I syphoned out the
overflow so its more or less empty...tonight when I get home I'll pull
out the sump, get a bucket in there, take the whole thing apart,
rebuild it with the washer INSIDE the overflow, and try again.
Irritating that things break through no fault of my own in this case.
Mitch

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Big Habeeb wrote:

OK, so last night I got it filled enough for water ot go into the
overflow, only to discover that I had a leak from the bottom of the
plumbing...

You're getting smart! This is exactly why we run a full test of everything
before committing live creatures to the system.

Good catch.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

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On Oct 5, 12:10 am, George Patterson wrote:
Big Habeeb wrote:
OK, so last night I got it filled enough for water ot go into the
overflow, only to discover that I had a leak from the bottom of the
plumbing...

You're getting smart! This is exactly why we run a full test of everything
before committing live creatures to the system.

Good catch.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

Thanks :)
So last night I fixed it, refilled with r/o water, crossed the
fingers, and turned everything on. Voila, we're up and running. I
let it run for about 3 hours without difficulty, and then began adding
the salt - it's looking like we're good to go (so far so good at any
rate). I then held my breath and did what was suggested earlier and
turned off the power to see if my sump would overflow - it didnt.
Huzzah!!!!

Tonight I'm off to the LFS for a new test kit (I'm low on most of my
mixers from the last time I purchased one), a lamp kit for my sump,
and an additional powerhead to increase circulation. But it looks
like we're doing well for a completely empty tank. So far there's
only been one casualty: while pulling the hoses off the plumbing kid
my hand slipped and slammed into my sump...couple NASTY cuts on my
knuckle, so I musta hit AWFUL hard. But hey, better my hand than a
fish/coral right?

Mitch

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Big Habeeb wrote:

Tonight I'm off to the LFS for a new test kit (I'm low on most of my
mixers from the last time I purchased one), a lamp kit for my sump,
and an additional powerhead to increase circulation.

Probably too late, but check this out.

http://www.petsolutions.com/Hydor+Ko...I-C-49-C-.aspx

Kicks more water than a power head and uses less electricity.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

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On Oct 5, 10:01 pm, George Patterson wrote:
Big Habeeb wrote:
Tonight I'm off to the LFS for a new test kit (I'm low on most of my
mixers from the last time I purchased one), a lamp kit for my sump,
and an additional powerhead to increase circulation.

Probably too late, but check this out.

http://www.petsolutions.com/Hydor+Ko...0498-I-C-49-C-....

Kicks more water than a power head and uses less electricity.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

Thankfully, not too late...are these really preferable over
'traditional' powerheads?

Also, here's the pics of the tank so far:
http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/mbren28568/
72 pounds of liverock sure didn't go too far. I'll be adding more,
small quantities at a time, a bit later...for the time being its
enough for a start.

Mitch

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Long spined urchins have venum in the spines.

Wayne Sallee



Don Geddis wrote on 10/2/2007 8:06 PM:

The urchin sure looked like it did exactly what you are talking about with
the sea stars. I don't think I saw the stomach come out, but maybe it did.
But this was no mechanical ripping. There was no question that 3/4 of the
anemone, the part touched by the urchin, was chemically destroyed and already
rotting, within an hour. The color went from the usual translucent pink, to
solid white. Just horrible.

-- Don

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On Oct 8, 11:04 am, Big Habeeb wrote:
On Oct 5, 10:01 pm, George Patterson wrote:

Big Habeeb wrote:
Tonight I'm off to the LFS for a new test kit (I'm low on most of my
mixers from the last time I purchased one), a lamp kit for my sump,
and an additional powerhead to increase circulation.

Probably too late, but check this out.

http://www.petsolutions.com/Hydor+Ko...0498-I-C-49-C-....

Kicks more water than a power head and uses less electricity.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.

Thankfully, not too late...are these really preferable over
'traditional' powerheads?

Also, here's the pics of the tank so far:http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/mbren28568/
72 pounds of liverock sure didn't go too far. I'll be adding more,
small quantities at a time, a bit later...for the time being its
enough for a start.

Mitch

Your right 72 pounds of LR is not much at all..........except $$$|$.
You can buy a kit thats sold to modify the typical Maxi Jet line of
powerheads to make them a propeller circulator, much cheaper than you
can buy the Hydor brands for. The Maxi Jet line of powerheads are
heard to beat. They make the kits to kit the 400 through the 1200
maxis and they are coming out with kits to convert the mini jet series
as well. You'll find out quick sucktion cups just plain do not cut it,
and magnets or a bracket to the top frame is the only way to go. Go
to Wally World or one of the big box petsupply places and buy some of
the house brand or el cheapo magnetic glass cleabner devices, and use
the inner half of device to mount the powerheads etc to.......you can
use silicone or weldon solvent to stick the powerheads or any other
device to them and they work 1000x better than a suction cup.

The biggest problem with the hydor propeller circulators is the size
of the things as compared to a modified maxi jet. IMHO the hydor is
much to large and bulky looking, but they do move a considerable
amount of water and spread out the flow in a wider area than a typcial
powerhead does...Personally I like the typical Maxi Jet powerheads as
they can also be used to pump out water for water changes etc. All
the propeller typ0es as the |Hydor will do is provide a flow of
current.

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Big Habeeb wrote:

Thankfully, not too late...are these really preferable over
'traditional' powerheads?

I repeat. They move more water and use less electricity.

One of the side effects of moving more water is that you need fewer of them.

One of the side effects of using less juice is that they put less heat into the
water. Admittedly, that's only a problem during the Summer, but it's the
difference between having to spend $600+ on a chiller and not buying one for me.

George Patterson
If you torture the data long enough, eventually it will confess
to anything.