HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

The water quality sounds really alarming David, you really need an emergency
pond, like the kiddie pool or K30's suggestion of asking for a container at
your local Koi org.

These are strong fish, but they will start to give up.

When you start draining your pond, catching the fish will be much easier, so
drain half, catch a few fish, drain more, until you get the last one.

"David" schreef in bericht
om...
I live near Oakland, California..

The baby pool sounds like it wouldnt be such a bad idea.

After the 75% water change today, I see no difference, other than I
cant see anything at all now *milk*

Catching the fish to put them into a separate pond will be quite a
problem.. they're all quite camoflauged in the milk. Even then, I've
searched all through the neighborhood and cant seem to turn up
anything but a wheelbarrel and a couple of drink boxes. Nothing that
can hold 11 12'' fish.
No bellies up yet thank god.

I took water test readings today before I put the pond through its
winter torment.. results:
Ammonia is in the 'stress' zone
Nitrates are in the 'Toxic' zone
and Nitrites are in the 'Toxic' zone
PH is 6.5
everything else is normal



I have a Bitron 18 that isnt hooked up to the pond yet... *since I
ordered the new filtration system from two manufacturers, one of which
is INCREDIBLY slow*
and a spare Oase Nautilus 30 pump, plus a Beckett 1000 gph pump.

Do you think the Bitron 18, used as a steriliser, could cleanse the
pond of this horrid milky white bacteria layer?

*update, the layer on top is now a milky greenish white, with string
algae starting up all over the place. wow, after only 2 days.

I've done another 75% water change, and I still see no difference in
the color or purity of the water.

Help!

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

I recently had to catch some fish in my pond. Go to your local Home Depot
and in the garden section you will find bird netting. Get the finest you can
find then lay it over the bottom of the pond and up each side. Pound stakes
through or place rocks on one end of the net and pull up on the other. You
should be able to catch several this way.

Good luck
Joe


David wrote:

Catching the fish to put them into a separate pond will be quite a
problem.. they're all quite camoflauged in the milk.



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HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

THE Old Man wrote in message . ..
On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:59:18 -0600, jammer wrote:


I cant believe that some idiot would do that. What did you say to the
person?


Leaving out the bad words? I bet he said nothing.

Bad deal. Hang in there and do rest often as the stress can really
get you down.

dd

I'm trying not to get too angry untill I know the extent of the
dammage.. She knows nothing of the cost of these fish. Maybe if I
brought her to the San Jose koi farm nearby.. all they stock is
thousand dollar Koi.


Draining the pond again is getting to be a very hard task. The ground
around the pond has turned into mud, and the street is about 150 feet
away.

I've tried putting my fish into some wheelbarrows the neighbors have
rented me, but they dont seem to adapt well to the change. I havent
gotten any of them to stay inside the wheelbarrow for more than an
hour.. even with a net over the top. *never knew koi were that strong*

Possibly a Wet/Dry vac would work to completely drain the pond quickly
and efficiently would work.. I know a neighbor that has one. *crosses
fingers*

Still no losses..
Nitrates *Stress* @ ~90 MG/L
Nitrites *Toxic* @ ~4 MG/L
Ammonia: *Toxic* @ ~.75 MG/L
Water is a filthy murky greenish white.. as in incredibly old milk.


Any solutions that dont require me to move the fish? That simply isnt
an option. cant be away from work

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

OOK.

The bitron was part of a set of other Oase filtration products, namely
a Biotec 10. I installed the Biotec 10 in about 3 hours, along with
the Nautilus 30 it came with.

Its an hour later, and I see no difference in clarity, but it sure as
hell takes every bit of crap out of the water it can find.. Not the
Biotec 1000 or the Pf3 come even close to it.


The nitrates, Nitrites and Ammonia seem to be going down, or I cant
see the colors well.

BUT: problem, why is it that 2 of my fish look like they have broken
backs? can this be cured, or do I have to put them out of their
misery?

*they can only curve their tails one way.*

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

BUT: problem, why is it that 2 of my fish look like they have broken
backs?

Ammonia or nitite poisoining.

Can only repeat the suggestion: get them out of there (all fish) or watch
them die a slow death.

Not even 500 Biotec10's can help you with this I'm afraid.

Theo

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

Hello,

Sorry to hear about your situation and for replying so late, I'm new to
the newsgroup.

I would suggest that you look up on the net a PVC counter current foam
fractionator. Something about 6' tall can be made for around $25 to
$35. The fractionator will help remove the fine solids suspended in the
water column (the milky look) it will strip CO2 to help readjust pH and
other water components and you can use your pump from the fountain to
power it until things get back to normal.

I had a similar problem as I was running two 600 gallon tanks and had an
automatic feeder lock open and dump fish feed all night long. Same
water conditions.

Also you may want to consider an overnite shipment of preactivated
bacteria from Aquatic Eco or other similar aquaculture retailer, add an
entire gallon all at once, you cannot over add the bacteria in this
case. That will help reduce the ammonia and nitrites (don't worry about
nitrates until they get over 200 ppm the other is much more important).

Your Koi will be sufering from ammonia poisoning and brown blood
disease, so you will also need LOTS of aeration as soon as things are
closer to equilibrium.

Good luck to you and the fish

Jeffrey Ashby
Aquaculture Consultant

HELP 15LBS of food spilled into pond! fish have broken backs!
 

Argh. If you say so... Tomorrow I will purchase a small 125 gallon
tank and place the fish into it.. being Saturday with no work.

I have 3 fish with broken backs now. what can I do to help?
injections?

Finally: The pond water seems to be quite foamy now. Is this the
aerobic bacteria turning the nitrates *etc etc* to nitrogen exiting
the pond into the air? Should I keep the foam on there or sweep it
out?

Other than that, the only difference I see is that I dont have to
clean the filter everyday.


BUT: problem, why is it that 2 of my fish look like they have broken
backs?

Ammonia or nitite poisoining.

Can only repeat the suggestion: get them out of there (all fish) or watch
them die a slow death.

Not even 500 Biotec10's can help you with this I'm afraid.

Theo

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

are koi so fussy that they can't fend for themselves for a few days?
(in which case, i now know they are not for me...)

Of course they aren't, they can go for weeks without food, just like the
carp variety you have (goldfish) :-)

But I guess David wanted the best for his fish (regular feeding).

Still, the damage was done, and now it's a question of trying to get as many
fish as possible to survive.

Theo

HELP /w 1500 Gallon pond! Overfeeding
 

are koi so fussy that they can't fend for themselves for a few days?

I've gone out of town for 1-3 week periods and haven't fed my fish. I
do have someone (fellow ponder) check to see if everything is ok
(pumps running, water level, etc.), but request the fish not be fed.

Jim
Zone 8a - Dallas, Texas
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